In my 40 years as a Purdue fan, this is the worst football I've ever seen.
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Incorrect. The best decision was to hire Mitch Daniels.
Burke stepped aside because he was ready to retire. He was 65/66. He had been AD for 23/24 years.
There was A LOT that went on behind the scenes. It wasn't just Daniels, Governor Holcomb was another main player.
Not addressing this to you, JRowdy, but overall what people don't know about the Purdue admin is surprising. Purdue Admin has had a seismic shift in recent years, and none of it has anything to do with Burke.
Board chair is most important. Mitch changed his tune in athletic spending.
As far as Burke, I know for certain he wasn’t getting a third chance
The entire leadership underwent a tremendous change, which changed spending.
Burke wasn't going to get a third chance because he already announced his retirement, 8 full months before Hazell was fired. Bobinski was hired 6 months after Burke's announcement, at the beginning of the school year/football season.
It serves no purpose to manufacture this into something it wasn't.
No problem. That’s why I said one of the best decisions. Was going to bring up ole Mitch , but every time someone brings him up and gives him credit people come out of the woodwork and make it political. He has done a very good job as president
there was enough backing (and money) in place to make a move in 2015. Replacing Burke in a non firing fashion is why it didn’t happen.
That's just incorrect.
Darrell Hazell was going to be given EVERY opportunity, including the 2015 season and into the 2016 season. There was NO way he was going to be let go in or after the 2015 season. It just wasn't going to happen. The repercussions would have enormous, and university leadership knew that.
Morgan Burke's retirement and Darrell Hazell's future... his firing... his replacement... were never connected.
Haze got three years and six games. He was fired at 3-3 after beating Eastern Kentucky, Illinois, and Nevada. Do any of those teams sound familiar? Purdue went 0-6 after Haze was canned.
Haze went 9-33 BEFORE he was canned. Nine...….and thirty-three. Adios.
Hazell lost by 43 points to an under .500 MD football team and gave 400 rushing yards. Writing was on the wall after that game and was postponed after a reprieve win against Illinois.
https://amp.indystar.com/amp/91431956
His fated was sealed after falling behind 35-7 against Iowa.
never forget the Iowa HC game, we finally scored a TD then after the kick off w/ like a minute and half left, Capt. Kirk calls a basic fullback up the middle and the D line parted like the Red Sea and went for maybe a 65 yd TD. I posted that's the nail in the coffin.
Tell me D....I stated on this board when he was hired it was a terrible hire. Where were you?
I don’t disagree. I couldn’t believe the audacity that Burke displayed in telling the fan base that Hazell was on the track after 2015. Zero chance of Hazell being dismissed. Z. E. R. O. And he tried to convince the fan base Hazell could win with 2 star recruits.
I all but gave up on the program at that point. I did re-up as a season ticket the next year, but I switched my seats to the North Endzone and only bought one. Darkest the program had been since the late 80s under Akers. Completely flushed away everything Tiller has accomplished.
Now people are finding out Brohm can struggle with bad recruiting classes as they grow older. But I have faith everything is in the process of getting better. Hold onto this class and we should be on our way. Need some OL though (and Yanni in 2021).
But here's been my point all along...if Brohm is the savior many proclaim, and I'll give him and Haze's boys credit for the two bowl games, then shouldn't this team be much better even with the injuries since Brohm has his recruits with Haze's final class? No O line, no D line, not enough talent (and remember, I don't blame players) behind a certainly suspect starting unit.
Who's fault is that?
And what hasn't been discussed is this...WKU went 8-4 in 2013 under Petrino who went to Lville in 2014, leaving the cupboard pretty full at WKU...in '14 Brohm was appointed HC and played the previous coache's players those next three years...along with some of his recruits (sound familiar)..the next three seasons and then came to PU.
I'll give Brohm credit for winning at WKU, but I'll also give a lot of credit to Petrino for having players in place for the next guy. And maybe it's just easier to coach at a WKU than in the Big 10. After all, they're leading their division right now.
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You dont build quality depth in 3 years. What is so hard for you to understand?
Nat, then it must have been Petrino's players who did it for him at WKU. Three years there...three + here.
And yes, you can build quality depth in three years.
Petrino was only there a year. But yes, Petrino and Taggert left solid players behind.
You cannot build quality depth in 3 years. Most asinine thing i have seen you post. Especially if what was left behind was so bad that it is being beaten out by freshmen.
You realize, there were Colletto recruit that started on the Rose Bowl team, right?
I think there are a couple things going on here that can all be simultaneously true, but also has some shades of gray.
1. Is this the worst Purdue team in the last 40 years, I would objectively say no.
2. Coaching matters to a point, but players matter as well. Recruiting matters
3. You can build team depth in 3 years. You just can't miss on many recruits and have that depth.
Here is some context. Below is the 247 sports composite talent ranking for the years 2017-2019. The way to read this, it's taking the entire roster from recruiting and stack ranking the entire league:
2017
2018
2019
Purdue has more collective talent on their roster now than in Brohm's first two season, but it's still last in the Big Ten West. If you have talent issues at the wrong spots, it can really be magnified. You need strong QB play to win in Brohm's system, but also you have to block. Purdue should move up this list again next year based upon where they are in recruiting right now (4th according to 247). It's ok to expect more from a more talented roster.
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To build strong depth in 3 years, you would need to have the prior 2 classes you inherited have good players in it. Look at the 2016 and 2015 classes, or at least what is left of them.I think there are a couple things going on here that can all be simultaneously true, but also has some shades of gray.
1. Is this the worst Purdue team in the last 40 years, I would objectively say no.
2. Coaching matters to a point, but players matter as well. Recruiting matters
3. You can build team depth in 3 years. You just can't miss on many recruits and have that depth.
Here is some context. Below is the 247 sports composite talent ranking for the years 2017-2019. The way to read this, it's taking the entire roster from recruiting and stack ranking the entire league:
2017
2018
2019
Purdue has more collective talent on their roster now than in Brohm's first two season, but it's still last in the Big Ten West. If you have talent issues at the wrong spots, it can really be magnified. You need strong QB play to win in Brohm's system, but also you have to block. Purdue should move up this list again next year based upon where they are in recruiting right now (4th according to 247). It's ok to expect more from a more talented roster.
Brohm also took a "win now" approach in years 1 and 2, which helped put the program back on the map. He signed quick fix grad transfers to get there. I bet very few fans would trade the momentum from the 2017 season and bowl game for a year of developing the young players at the time. Brohm saw this year that he finally had some young players worth developing. Two steps forward, one step back. It's still progress.
He did. I dont think he had a choice. The players left behind werent going to develop into a solid team. That is why they got recruited over. I think we would essentially be in the same place but without the 2 bowls.
Y'all are wasting your time.
For as rational as he is on other topics, he is hellbent on sh*tting on Brohm every chance he gets. This is just one of those areas where a person has a blind spot and will be as irrational as h*ll, no matter what anyone else says.
Best path is just leave him be, let him sulk, put him on "ignore" if you find it necessary, and move on. No matter how many facts you cite, he's just not going to budge.
For as rational as he is on other topics, he is hellbent on sh*tting on Brohm every chance he gets. This is just one of those areas where a person has a blind spot and will be as irrational as h*ll, no matter what anyone else says.
Best path is just leave him be, let him sulk, put him on "ignore" if you find it necessary, and move on. No matter how many facts you cite, he's just not going to budge.
If you're talking about me, I haven't shit on Brohm at all. I've merely stated the facts as I see them which doesn't agree with what you see. I've said I hope he succeeds, and I've also stated that he's been here long enough to be winning eight games this year. And yes, I know about the injuries, but it was his job to come in and immediately recruit players who in their second and third years who could play at this level. Sorry but he went for instant gratification and forgot what the ultimate goal is.
He did not forget the ultimate goal. Going for win now built momentum and opened the door for him to recruit the Karlaftis, Bell, Grant, Graham, Carr, Murphy, etc. now. Had he not done that and won fewer games, he wouldn’t have generated momentum that he built.
I'll own the fact that I said I believed PU could have done better. Had they offered what he's making now originally, better coaches would be knocking the doors down.
Do you honestly believe the man is one of the top six coaches in America? If he's that good, there should be a MAJOR bowl in PU's future next year.
Exactly, winning now led to the improved recruiting classes in 2018,19 and 20.
People have zero patience and wanna complain. Those that can’t see what is happening won’t be convinced until 2021, so no use arguing.
We lost to Iowa by 6, Minnesota by 7 and lost to Lovie ball in Lovie weather with our 4 best players out, and the SKY IS FALLING.
Hit the mute button and carry on.
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A lot of coaches wouldn’t have wanted the challenge regardless of the money. His salary is 5.3M, not the 6.6M reported on USA Today. He received bonuses (including a one time retention bonus) that made him 6.6M for this year. His pay go goes down after this season.
Part of the high pay is to build a winner, not instant gratification of becoming a top six program.
You're talking about his pay. He doesn't have to be one of the top 6, and he won't be next year or the next (unless the Purdue admin decide to re-work his contract), because others will pass his comp.
The best thing Purdue needed a year ago (as well right now) was coaching stability. The worst thing that could have happened was to lose Brohm and start over. Lose most of that top 25-30 recruiting class. Start over with THIS top 25-30 recruiting class. Get an all new coach and staff. Good g-d, man. I cannot fathom what has occurred for you to have such a blind spot, and sheer hatred, toward Brohm. The VAST majority of fans get it (look what the attendance numbers have been; STAGGERING). A significant number of elite recruits (and, more important, their parents) get it. Purdue leadership gets it. For whatever reason, you continue to try NOT getting it.
Newsflash for you: Les Miles wasn't coming here (and thank G-D for that!). NOBODY ELSE was hiring him, either. (Oh, except the 2nd worst program in CFB history.) Boat rower wasn't coming here. Bobinski (et al) didn't want him, for whatever reason. Right now, it's Brohm, whether you like it or not. You can whine, p*ss and moan about that all you like.
That argument has been shot down, repeatedly. Les Miles wasn't going to be offered. Nobody, but NOBODY wanted Les Miles*.
Exactly WHO was going to come here that was better, someone Bobinski & Daniels wanted? Someone who was a good fit?
*except the 2nd worst program in college football history. Oh... and you.
I'm not talking about Les...and yes, I would have liked him here. As for who....when you offer Brohm's current salary of 6.6 million, you're going to get the cream of the crop looking at it. Do you really believe Brohm deserves to be the 8th highest paid coach in the game? Do you think he's $2.2 million better than Day at OSU who's making $4 mil?
Who? Who was going to come here? Who were you going to get that was a good fit? A better fit than Brohm?
And, yes, you've been pining for Miles from day one. He was a horrible candidate. Turrible, Mr. Barkley!
You think we should have started over after two HIGHLY successful years with Brohm... the fans loving him, the recruits loving him, him taking us to 2 bowl games with a decimated roster. That defies logic. This university FINALLY steps up and pays to keep a coach with all those positives, and you crap on that.
You have an incredible bias, and it's affecting your ability to be reasonable.
$6.6 million?? Brohm's salary (including the first of 2 retention bonus payments) for 2019 is $5.35 million. In 2020, including the second half of the retention bonus the salary is $5.55. His salary then drops to $4.9 million the next season. The average salary over the 7 year life of the contract is $5.2 million per year. Would think that even an iu fan could do a little research.
Exactly. Shouldn’t he be down at Goose Poop stadium tailgating and cheering for IU’s HS coach. Coaches get paid what the market says. Brohm’s making that much ,because he can an it’s what the market said he was worth. That’s why Louisville was offering him so much. And then they turned around and the coach that Louisville hires is making much less than what they were offering Brohm. In all seriousness it seems that He has to be told this same thing every couple of weeks. Does he have a memory or comprehension problem ?
Bumping one of my all time favorite threads for entertainment purposes.
Have a read and see who knew what Brohm was building and who couldn't see it.
Have a read and see who knew what Brohm was building and who couldn't see it.
This post was speaking specifically about that game. We had 135 yards passing that game with a 4 yard average. Illinois ran for 240 that game.
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