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[Purdue95Grad]

What exactly am I dumb about?

There’s not enough time. But you being fixated on the cat grilling thing as being something legitimate is one. For starters.

 

[BB62]

The issue isn't Moscow 'telling' us what to do. Putin said that any Warsaw Pact mnation joining NATO would be considered an act of war, and it was.

Sure it is, in so many words. You want us to base our decisions on Ukraine on what Putin SAYS he's going to do. As I said above, we could have not given any security assurances to Ukraine and Putin could still have invaded. We would have been giving exactly what he wanted.

Read your history. Peace for our time. Appease the murderous dictator, it will be alright. Nothing to see here.

The bottom line is you don't GAF about Ukraine. "Give me liberty or give me death" means something when it's your country fighting for their freedom but Ukraine shouldn't have the same opportunity for self determination and independence it might piss off Putin. Thank god the French didn't take that attitude.

This is EXACTLY the type of conflict where we should take sides. Even in 2024 we must stand up for democracy and use our strength and influence to fight back against tyranny. For Gods sakes, Russia IS all the things MAGA says they hate. Every "ism" you guys say is taking over our country..........communism, socialism, fascism, authoritarianism..........THAT'S PUTIN'S RUSSIA.

 

[Katscratch]

Just for fun, let’s start posting Quixote speak:

Putin and Hitler are guys who should be respected. Just ignore all of the people they have killed over the years.

Quixote:

“If Putin or Hitler promise they’ll invade you for having allies they don’t like? Roll over like a beaten puppy and give your country away.”

 

[Quix0te]

You want us to base our decisions on Ukraine on what Putin SAYS he's going to do. As I said above, we could have not given any security assurances to Ukraine and Putin could still have invaded.

No, I want us to base our decisions on a logical risk/benefit analysis. What did we stand to gain if Ukraine joins NATO? Very little. What did we stand to lose if Ukraine joins NATO? A war that Ukraine cannot win, a destabilized Europe and a very real possibility of an even wider regional war. Don't forget that Russia has over 9,000 nuclear warheads as self-declared by SALT. If Ukraine gets the long-range missiles that they have been begging for and strikes Moscow, that war could go nuclear, at least with tactical nuclear weapons.

Further, we should use the same type of logical risk/benefit analysis to make military decisions regarding Israel, Taiwan and the Chinese Navy in the South China Sea.