There’s not enough time. But you being fixated on the cat grilling thing as being something legitimate is one. For starters.
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Sure it is, in so many words. You want us to base our decisions on Ukraine on what Putin SAYS he's going to do. As I said above, we could have not given any security assurances to Ukraine and Putin could still have invaded. We would have been giving exactly what he wanted.
Read your history. Peace for our time. Appease the murderous dictator, it will be alright. Nothing to see here.
The bottom line is you don't GAF about Ukraine. "Give me liberty or give me death" means something when it's your country fighting for their freedom but Ukraine shouldn't have the same opportunity for self determination and independence it might piss off Putin. Thank god the French didn't take that attitude.
This is EXACTLY the type of conflict where we should take sides. Even in 2024 we must stand up for democracy and use our strength and influence to fight back against tyranny. For Gods sakes, Russia IS all the things MAGA says they hate. Every "ism" you guys say is taking over our country..........communism, socialism, fascism, authoritarianism..........THAT'S PUTIN'S RUSSIA.
Quixote:
“If Putin or Hitler promise they’ll invade you for having allies they don’t like? Roll over like a beaten puppy and give your country away.”
No, I want us to base our decisions on a logical risk/benefit analysis. What did we stand to gain if Ukraine joins NATO? Very little. What did we stand to lose if Ukraine joins NATO? A war that Ukraine cannot win, a destabilized Europe and a very real possibility of an even wider regional war. Don't forget that Russia has over 9,000 nuclear warheads as self-declared by SALT. If Ukraine gets the long-range missiles that they have been begging for and strikes Moscow, that war could go nuclear, at least with tactical nuclear weapons.
Further, we should use the same type of logical risk/benefit analysis to make military decisions regarding Israel, Taiwan and the Chinese Navy in the South China Sea.
Unlike your nonsense, I have incontrovertible video proof of AMERICANS eating pets:
@Purdue95Grad
Here's the report:
The Cat Eaters of Ohio
The establishment media called it a racist myth, but is it?
christopherrufo.com
You must have not watched the video. It's plainly clear that they were cats on the grill. Cats have a distinctive look.
Ahh yes, a link from a right wing conspiracy whacko. More dumb stuff from you.@Purdue95Grad
Here's the report:
The Cat Eaters of Ohio
The establishment media called it a racist myth, but is it?
Bob, 95, KatJM23:
If wealthy European countries are not willing to reduce their elaborate social welfare programs to defend non-Nato allies in their region, American taxpayers should roll over like a beaten puppy and subsidize their vast government welfare systems by paying for their defense against countries not in North America.
Wtf, so your stance here is to shove your empty head up your ass because something is happening in a part of the world that isn’t in North America. So Putin should go unchecked. Hitler should have gone unchecked. And so on and so forth. Because this is what you’re saying. You and some others on here really need to step away from the computer, go outside, take a deep breath, and reassess your lives. Just an incredibly stupid take from you, and that’s saying something.
You mean just read past Hitler or do you not know what "Peace for our time" refers to? Skip over that one. How about Stalin and the Iron Curtain? Korea?
Clearly you believe because we lost Vietnam we shouldn't have tried to do anything.
Iraq is a mixed bag. Poor example. Economic conditions are much better and they aren't living under a dictator but it cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
They must defend their stance at all costs. If they actually engaged in an intelligent discussion they might stop and catch themselves before reaching the point where they are defending an utterly ridiculous position.
Start out arguing let Russia take Ukraine and end up saying standing up to Hitler was a bad policy.
It’s wild. Their hatred of “libs” is so strong that their brains have fallen out of their asses and they come up with takes like this. X is happening in a country on another continent and the current response is “meh, out of sight, out of mind”. Never mind that those idiotic takes go directly against the foundational principles of this country.
Better go back and reread WWII because you and your incoherent sidekick 95 seem more confused even than usual. The US didn't enter the European war until after Hitler declared war on the US.
Are you saying the US should have gone into Europe to stop Hitler before he overran Belgium and France? Peace in Our Time is a lesson that could apply here, even if you don't understand it. The Brits and French could and should have taken action to stop Hitler in the mid-30s.
Likewise, the Brits and French and the other wealthy European countries (relative to Russia) could take action to stop Putin overrunning a non-Nato country if they think it in their best interests. We can sell them weapons systems that are superior to anything the inept Soviet army has. They have the money to buy those systems without massive subsidies from US taxpayers. They are ripping us off, obviously.
Is the real story here with you libs is that you so admire the vast socialist programs of the Western European nations that you think US taxpayers should be forced to subsidize them?
Your post is incredibly shortsighted.
Why do you think we are the world’s economic engine? It’s in a real part because we have agreements to protect our allies, which leads to innumerable trade deals. It’s also because the world’s developed nations consider us the best hope for the world and against tyranny.
The tunnel vision in your post is only surpassed by your insatiable need to name call, label, and refuse to consider any opportunity to learn something. Instead, when you don’t know something you try to decide which posters are assuming the identity of other posters (they’re not) and call people names like a frustrated first grader. Good lord do better!
MAGA brains are truly beyond broken. That you have to type any of this out to him should be embarrassing enough for him, but he will double down instead with his response.
It is because we have free enterprise (at least for now, but let's hope idiot ideas like price controls are not enacted).
Do you think we have an agreement to protect Ukraine. If so, what?
Do you think we have an obligation to subsidize the expansive social programs of wealthy European countries? It sounds like you do.
This is about the best you can do, isn't it? You really should try childish memes to bulk up your incoherent sputterings. KatJM23 can help you.
Agreement or not, we should protect/militarily assist Ukraine when it’s in America’s best interests to do so, and it currently is.
We do not have an obligation to support any other country’s social programs.
These two concepts are incredibly simple.
It may be in Europe's best interests, but how is in the US best interests?
Are you worried about an invasion by the incompetent Russian army?
I just posted this, geez!
“Why do you think we are the world’s economic engine? It’s in a real part because we have agreements to protect our allies, which leads to innumerable trade deals. It’s also because the world’s developed nations consider us the best hope for the world and against tyranny.”
Protecting allies is now a liberal concept? Hoo boy.
And as predicted, when you are exposed and owned, you revert to labeling and frustrated first grader name calling.
Can you not stop labeling and name calling even when just a few posts ago multiple people warned that’s where you will sadly end up?
Do better!
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Says the guy who thinks it’s fine if we don’t care what’s going on in the world outside of North America. Like I said: truly broken brain stuff.
Not explicitly but the Ukrainians wanted security assurances from the US and the UK in the Budapest Memorandum because they felt once they gave up their nuclear weapons, Russia would attack them. What a shock, they did. Implicit in the agreement was that the US and UK would defend Ukraine if they were attacked.
What's more appropriate to the conversation is the BM stipulated that Russia would recognize Ukraine as a nation and respect it's sovereignty. Putin clearly violated the agreement. He has proven he can't be trusted and yet you people seem to think he will stop if we give him Ukraine.
Spin away
Ok, then should we commit US troops to defend Ukraine?
That is the logical extension of your argument, and KatJM23's (and possibly 95, whose ravings are not entirely clear).
Just how is he a right wing conspiracy whacko? OH RIGHT! Because he's reporting something you don't want to believe. Got it.
Jesus H. First of all, because I know what a cat looks like. Second, that journalists confirmed that the guy that took the video witnessed what happened. So you're choosing to not believe a first hand eye witness AND his video recording. FFS.
How about this. You watch the video and do your best to tell me what it really is. CBS seemed to suggest they were chickens. Do you honestly think what is on the grill represents a chicken in any way?
Probably because he’s a right wing conspiracy whacko, 03.Just how is he a right wing conspiracy whacko? OH RIGHT! Because he's reporting something you don't want to believe. Got it.
“I kNoW wHaT a CaT lOoKs LiKe”. Did you use a pop-up book to remind yourself?
Nope.
That's where I draw the line.
Also -- this:
Ukraine Says It Struck Cache of Iranian Missiles in Russia
Ukraine said it struck a stockpile of weapons in Russia overnight that may have included just-arrived missiles from Iran.
So "Peace in Our Time" only applies as long as we don't have to provide troops.Nope.
That's where I draw the line.
Also -- this:
Ukraine Says It Struck Cache of Iranian Missiles in Russia
Ukraine said it struck a stockpile of weapons in Russia overnight that may have included just-arrived missiles from Iran.www.bnnbloomberg.ca
And thus it is strictly a matter of who pays for the defense of wealthy European countries who spend far more on elaborate social programs than they do on defense. And you and the other libs think that should be US taxpayers, who the Europeans view as chumps.
Yep, that was another foolish blunder by another Democratic president, Bill Clinton. Clinton argued that the world would be safer if there were fewer nukes. Unfortunately, the opposite happened. There would be no war in Ukraine right now if Ukraine still had those nuclear warheads.
Lol. The rabbit hole keeps pulling you deeper.
I understand the mutually assured destruction doctrine that argues we are safer with more nukes but the cold war is over. There's a reason we have been trying to reduce the number of nukes for over 50 years. I guess you have to argue more nukes makes the world safer so your blame Ukraine argument still works.
There would be no war in Ukraine if Russia had lived up to their commitments laid out in the Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine gave up the nukes to satisfy Russia and make them feel safe. Ukraine was rewarded with an invasion........and getting blamed for it by illogical MAGA idiots.
No.
It's not a logical extension at all. The circumstances are different than WW2.
You’re making a point of substance; not sure why you felt the need to end the post with labeling and name calling.
But yes “don't have to put American troops into harms way” is a real factor. Of course it’s not the only factor but if we can exert American influence and help democracies that will be allies? There’s incredible long term value in that.
You're the one who brought up WW2.
Do you want to back the 'democracy' of Ukraine with US troops?
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