...............for what it's worth he is 2-0 in the "BIG" this year! Coaching athletes that MSU and MICH discard in the state!(seen them play three times this year, do look impressive) Would I rather see a Miles or a Sumlin, of course! But we are who we are and won't put up the big dollars.
I will be shocked if Fleck isn't our next coach.......
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Berghoff said today that money is not going to be an issue with the hire. That's encouraging if true.
Fleck, yes.
Sumlin, missed opportunity that isn't happening,
Miles....Akers.
Schiano, we need to be done with anything ohio state
Sumlin, missed opportunity that isn't happening,
Miles....Akers.
Schiano, we need to be done with anything ohio state
I don't consider Schiano "Ohio State." He's been there one season and he's been coaching almost 30.
The rest I agree with. Still waffling on Les Miles tho.
The rest I agree with. Still waffling on Les Miles tho.
Not to mention Schiano turned down a multi year contract for a single season one...that screams one and done.
Yep, I thought the same when I saw that.
Does Schiano really need help tho?? I would think he'd be a good get for any program, even a higher tier than PU, like an Oregon or possibly LSU. I mean, he was thought of highly enough for an NFL franchise to give him a shot, would think he'd be a shoo-in for a decent HC gig.
Yeah, but I can understand him doing that if he thinks he can get a HC job pretty quick, and doesn't want to be tied down to an Asst position for long. I don't necessarily view that as a negative in that context. He just wants to be a head coach.
The AD said that this time, money won't be an issue. Count on getting a real name coach, not some MAC guy like Fleck
Fleck is being coveted by fan bases of elite programs as well.
He is not just a MAC guy.
Fleck will likely be a top 3-5 candidate in December and we would be lucky to have him. It's very silly to sell him short. What he has done and achieved @ WMU is far more impressive than what the Haze did at Kent.
A real name coach...like say Les Miles...would be an absolute disaster. Les was going to struggle to win 7 games this year with a roaster full of 4 and 5 star talent.
How do you think that will play here when he's no longer attracting the 5 stars and no longer willing to innovate offensively?
I'd take my chance with Miles before I'd spend much money on Fleck. Miles has something to prove, he has kids in the pipeline from his days at LSU that he's been recruiting for a few years, and he doesn't need the money......And Purdue gains instant cred with potential recruits.. My guess, he's going to be a lot cheaper and better prepared than another MAC guy. Miles worst record at LSU was 8-5 which happened in 2014 and 2008. His overall record was 62-28 and the year before he was fired he was 9-3. He took LSU to 11 straight bowls, and two BCS games. Personally, I'd rather have him than I would Fleck.
the trustee says that, but Daniels previously stated we are not in the arms race.... hope everyone at the top is on the same page
offer candidate #1 10M/year if that is truly the case then
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"The AD said that this time, money won't be an issue"
Don't be stupid...of course it's an issue. If money " wasn't an issue"..why not offer Saban or Meyer $10 million a year??? Of course money is an issue...money is ALWAYS an issue...we'll pay $2.5-$3.5 per year...tops..that's it.
We'll get a coach we can afford....we may want a Corvette...but we'll settle for a Ford Focus.
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Let's not confuse "money isn't an issue" with we can hire any FB coach in the world. What MB2 and Berghoff both mean is that we will find the best coach for our situation. It tells me we can get nearly every realistic coach that's already been mentioned on here. It also tells me we are willing to pay middle of the pack salaries when compared to the rest of the conference. And that's a great thing and the best any of us can hope for. We are the smallest AD with the lowest revenue stream in the conference. But if we are willing to pay up a weight class, I'm satisfied with that.
Good luck with all that.
He was going to struggle to win 7 @ LSU with all that talent...how his he going to win here without Any?
None if LSUs recruits are going to follow him here.
I don't think you get how this works. At all
Agree. Not on the miles bandwagon.
LSU recruits itself. His offenses have been terrible since Flynn was there. He is terrible in game.
Seems like an older version of Hazell.
I think he would literally melt brains on here with how bad his time management is.
If you really want to be turned off on him watch the end of the LSU vs. Auburn game. That's all you'd need to see to know. He freaking didn't know that the clock was going to start after the penalty, nor did he (correctly) argue that SEVERAL seconds should have been added to the clock after the flags were thrown.
Not on anyone's bandwagon, but Miles was known as a good recruiter well before LSU.
So was hazell. His ohio ties and professional recruiting were pumped by burke when he hired DH2
That is my interpretation also.
Purdue will pay market value for the best fit coach who wants the job. That's different than saying Purdue will seriously overpay to try and lure somebody who isn't interested in the job.
As an example, Purdue and Kentucky could both offer Fleck identical deals and he could simply choose Kentucky for reasons other than money. That's money not being the issue. That is different than losing him because we aren't willing to match Kentucky's offer.
Ok, these are two very different things:
1. Les Miles had proven recruiting RESULTS.
2. Darrell Hazell had an athletic director touting recruiting skills because he lived in a specific state.
There's a difference.
Also aside from the contract paper there are deals with shoe companies, perks with media appearances, etc. Kentucky may have more pull as a higher level Nike school due in large part to their basketball program.
I do feel our choice 1A will SEC us kind of like what Butch Jones did. And I can't say I blame them.
Oh, I know how it works. Both of my sons were recruited and as a high school coach I helped get several kids to the next level. Recruits very rarely come because of a "college"...they come because of the coach. And you nor I know how many he would have won this year.
I don't know. I'm not convinced SEC is that much of an advantage over the B1G anymore. The TV dollars are a wash and PJ recruits the Midwest more than anywhere else. He may look at the B1G west as a division he could win in.
I am not sure. FWIW I don't think it would be Miles or Fleck. I think a dark horse and would not be shocked with Tressel or someone like that. I have always been good with someone with NFL experience although there has been good and bad with every type. NFL can give you a Charlie Weis, MAC can give you a Darrel Hazell, 1AA can give you a Mike London.
Tressel Ohio State and Meyer Ohio State are completely different things. Wouldn't say no to Schiano, not my first choice though.
That's not the question. The question is WILL he be a good recruiter AFTER LSU and at 63 years old.
That answer is most likely no.
Les has been at one of the easiest schools to recruit to. He will not be bringing 5 star defensive lineman from Louisiana to West Lafayette, it's just not going to happen. When was the last time he had to recruit a 3 star kid from Ohio who's other offers were Maryland, Kentucky, and West Virginia?
Fleck should be number 1 on the list. I think the wild card is the OC of the Jags, Greg Olson.
Fleck should be number 1 on the list. I think the wild card is the OC of the Jags, Greg Olson.
I have heard the Olson Wild Card as well. I wonder where that is coming from as it is a bit odd. My only conclusion is that is someone Brees is advocating for and granted his pro career has been subpar, but he has also been in some awful organizations. He was a solid recruiter 14 years ago for sure. Good personality. Good QB development. I am not sure what his staff would be like but he might retain some people like Melvin whom he knows from previous stints.
I've heard Olsen doesn't have an interest in the collegiate game specifically because of the time that's needed to spend on recruiting. Given, his children were younger then, but if he can still find NFL jobs, I expect he'll stay there.
Let's be honest, though. This isn't about how much Bobinski is willing to pay. This is about what coach is willing to put their career on the line to come coach here. It's the Turner Gill effect. You put together a good season at a lower tier school as an up and comer, find yourself in a historically terrible program, fail miserably, and find yourself back in the doldrums of coaching never to be heard from again. If a guy like Fleck gets better offers, he's gone. If an established guy like Miles ends up at Purdue, it's because no one else wanted him. Somewhere in the middle is a coach not many people are looking at or is considered to be a high risk, but has the pedigree to build something great. That is who Purdue will be looking at.
Let's be honest, though. This isn't about how much Bobinski is willing to pay. This is about what coach is willing to put their career on the line to come coach here. It's the Turner Gill effect. You put together a good season at a lower tier school as an up and comer, find yourself in a historically terrible program, fail miserably, and find yourself back in the doldrums of coaching never to be heard from again. If a guy like Fleck gets better offers, he's gone. If an established guy like Miles ends up at Purdue, it's because no one else wanted him. Somewhere in the middle is a coach not many people are looking at or is considered to be a high risk, but has the pedigree to build something great. That is who Purdue will be looking at.
Really how many open jobs are there that are better than Purdue. Big 12, outside of Texas, is a total crapshoot as a lot of talking heads/experts thinks the Big 12 will be gone soon with the news that they are now not expanding and the general perception is that the conference is a joke. Also a lot of them still think we are moving to a 4 super conferences. To me that means even the ACC is in danger of being raided still. So the only safe jobs to be at top level college football is the SEC, PAC and BIG until everything shakes out. And usually if a school has opening, there are issues or the job wouldn't be an issue. While some of them may look to be in better shape, you have unrealistic pressure from the boosters who have probably far to much say, so you have to kiss their asses then too. Any coach looking at the open positions would have to look at what you have to put up with, what kind of time will you be given to turn things around and what you have to work with. Purdue is now working on facilities, so that shows commitment from the University to turning it around and has shown a history of giving a coach time to do it. So if you are a decent coach, Purdue has a lot to offer and you would be looked at as a god if you can turn it around.
That's why I think the biggest benefit of letting Hazell go now is the chance we might be able to preemptively nail someone down on a deal. Every job has risk. And every coach believes they will be successful at whatever job they take. Fleck may be getting better chances, he may not. But I hope we are first in line. Winning at Purdue in B1G could mean a much bigger pay day for him either to stay or to move on to blue blood school.
Akers was 86-31-2 before he got here and 12-31-1. Doesn't always work out as anticipated.
Getting a "name coach" from a powerhouse school doesn't work well for Purdue. Akers was used to getting the top talent in the state, and his game planning/recruiting did not work well at Purdue. He didn't get the kids who were good enough to hide his weaknesses. Someone like Fleck might be a better choice because he is very used to working with less developed kids. He develops them, and puts them in winnable situations, which is an important skill. That is the type of coach Purdue needs. Not Les Miles.
PJ ain't picking UK over PU, if that's your point. No way.
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