I find perception here vs outside our program interesting

[bonefish1]

What's preventing (prevented) Purdue from creating a program similar to Wisconsin?
From the 70's into the early 90's, WI was a garbage program.
Alvarez came in and turned them into a solid program, since then, they've been building up so that they're always in the same conversation with OSU, UM and PSU.

Over the last 30 yrs, has WI made the $ commitment to FB?
Have they gotten lucky with good coaching?

 

[SDBoiler1]

You are correct,but it seemed like they played harder when Parker took over.

They were overmatched in many games.

 

[SDBoiler1]

What's preventing (prevented) Purdue from creating a program similar to Wisconsin?
From the 70's into the early 90's, WI was a garbage program.
Alvarez came in and turned them into a solid program, since then, they've been building up so that they're always in the same conversation with OSU, UM and PSU.

Over the last 30 yrs, has WI made the $ commitment to FB?
Have they gotten lucky with good coaching?

It’s a combination of a supportive administration/BOT and good coaching hires. Barry Alvarez turned Wisky’s culture and mindset around from its previous losing ways. Chryst was an excellent hire and Bielema was pretty successful too. Gary Andersen didn’t work out but he did take Wisky to the BIG Championship.

Brohm is trying to do the same thing at Purdue that Alvarez did for the Badgers. He’s going about differently obviously. High-flying offense vs ground and pound for instance.

 

[bonefish1]

It’s a combination of a supportive administration/BOT and good coaching hires. Barry Alvarez turned Wisky’s culture and mindset around from its previous losing ways. Chryst was an excellent hire and Bielema was pretty successful too. Gary Andersen didn’t work out but he did take Wisky to the BIG Championship.

Brohm is trying to do the same thing at Purdue that Alvarez did for the Badgers. He’s going about differently obviously. High-flying offense vs ground and pound for instance.

So, did the train go off the rails late in Tiller's tenure? In the late 90's Tiller had turned the program around. Put a bunch of guys in the pros, was building a winning culture, interest in the program etc.

Do you think the Admin/BOT thought that momentum would be self sustaining and tried to save some $ with a cheaper HC hire in Hope instead of spending big $ on a proven entity to build on what Tiller had started?

 

[SDBoiler1]

So, did the train go off the rails late in Tiller's tenure? In the late 90's Tiller had turned the program around. Put a bunch of guys in the pros, was building a winning culture, interest in the program etc.

Do you think the Admin/BOT thought that momentum would be self sustaining and tried to save some $ with a cheaper HC hire in Hope instead of spending big $ on a proven entity to build on what Tiller had started?

This has been discussed as nauseum on this board.

The President/AD/BOT at the time thought they could sustain Tiller’s success on the cheap (Hope) but the problem was more endemic because Tiller lost a bunch of his best assistants due to money and lack of top-level support. Tiller wanted Spack to be HC, but he was rebuffed. So he conceded to having Hope who was more acceptable to him than someone outside of Tiller’s coaching tree.

Tiller and Hope did not get the financial and facilities support required to sustain Purdue at a higher tier in the BIG. Purdue slowly faded towards mediocrity under Tiller. When Hope took over it only got worse. The Presidents/BOT/AD were not committed to winning and doing what it took to win.

D-Haze got financial support from the school but he was a terrible hire.

Brohm under Bobinski/BOT/President Daniels has the best support for Purdue athletics since President Hovde and Red Mackey.

 

[bonefish1]

This has been discussed as nauseum on this board.

The President/AD/BOT at the time thought they could sustain Tiller’s success on the cheap (Hope) but the problem was more endemic because Tiller lost a bunch of his best assistants due to money and lack of top-level support. Tiller wanted Spack to be HC, but he was rebuffed. So he conceded to having Hope who was more acceptable to him than someone outside of Tiller’s coaching tree.

Tiller and Hope did not get the financial and facilities support required to sustain Purdue at a higher tier in the BIG. Purdue slowly faded towards mediocrity under Tiller. When Hope took over it only got worse. The Presidents/BOT/AD were not committed to winning and doing what it took to win.

D-Haze got financial support from the school but he was a terrible hire.

Brohm under Bobinski/BOT/President Daniels has the best support for Purdue athletics since President Hovde and Red Mackey.

Totally agree with Brohm and MBob. One of my sisters used to work with MBob and knows him personally. Said he was a great hire for Purdue who is committed to winning and getting the resources needed to do so.
So far, I think he's proven that to be true.
If Brohm can stack a couple solid recruiting classes back to back and we can land top players other than WR and DE (need to do something with the OL.....) I think Purdue can sustain a Top 1/4 position in the B10.

 

[purduepat1969]

Your definition of “bad football” is different than mine. I was in school when Fred Akers was coach. That was bad football. Colletto was a bad coach too. We regularly got blown out. Hope got blown out fairly often.

I only remember two games where Purdue was not competitive under Brohm. At Minnesota in a driving snowstorm and the bowl game vs. Auburn. Losing to BIG teams by a TD or less is not bad football. It’s not winning football.

You’re blind if you can’t distinguish between D-Haze, Akers, and Colletto vs Brohm. It’s a night and day difference. This program is competitive, but Brohm needs to start winning more regularly. Overall our recruiting has been as good as it’s been in years, especially when you factor in transfers.

He’s made massive changes on the defense with an experienced, aggressive, well-liked staff and has brought in a bunch of new players, many of whom seem to be poised to be major contributors this coming season.

Who said I can't distinguish between D-Haze vs Brohm? There's no comparison. But that doesn't mean this is a good program. Until Brohm starts winning, he has more losses than wins. A program with more losses than wins certainly can't qualify as a "good program". Is he making progress? Maybe. This season will be the measuring stick for his progress.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Who said I can't distinguish between D-Haze vs Brohm? There's no comparison. But that doesn't mean this is a good program. Until Brohm starts winning, he has more losses than wins. A program with more losses than wins certainly can't qualify as a "good program". Is he making progress? Maybe. This season will be the measuring stick for his progress.

You lumped them together, not me. D-Haze had a disaster of a program. Brohm was .500 prior to the injuries in 2019 and Diaco fiasco/Covid in 2020.

Brohm needs to win again and more and this will all be a moot point.

 

[purduepat1969]

You lumped them together, not me. D-Haze had a disaster of a program. Brohm was .500 prior to the injuries in 2019 and Diaco fiasco/Covid in 2020.

Brohm needs to win again and more and this will all be a moot point.

No, I just showed their records and stated they both were currently bad programs. Whether one is better than the other was not relevant to the point being made. When Brohm has a winning record, I won't consider it a bad program.

 

[FirstDownB]

What's preventing (prevented) Purdue from creating a program similar to Wisconsin?
From the 70's into the early 90's, WI was a garbage program.
Alvarez came in and turned them into a solid program, since then, they've been building up so that they're always in the same conversation with OSU, UM and PSU.

Over the last 30 yrs, has WI made the $ commitment to FB?
Have they gotten lucky with good coaching?

Alvarez was a great program builder as coach and a better AD, probably top 25, maybe top 10 college football "guy" of all time.
UW's rise to power also coincided with a time when you had the Big 2, Little 8/9. There was simply more upward mobility in the 90's than today. And once they rose to the top they had the backing of an entire football-hungry state (thanks, Packers). They were essentially a sleeping giant that got the right guy at the right time.

 

[TC4THREE]

It was under Hope. It was under Hazell. And to date, it is under Brohm.

Hazell was a whole different level of bad. For many of the years under Hope and Brohm, we were average. Look at that collectively however you want, but you can't lump Hope and Brohm in with Hazell if you want to be honest with yourself.

 

[Lee3370]

I'm not denouncing the greatness of Alstott. He was a stud in both college and the NFL. I just don't long for the team success we had in his era. If we could have him (the 18-20 year old version) suit up for Purdue this season, we'd all take him and be better for it. But it shows that a good rb/fb can only do so much when the players and coaches around him were as limited as they were when we had Alstott.

Mainly joking about my friend having played for Coletto and still not my favorite Purdue player. I called him yesterday to tell him i said he wasnt my favorite, lol. (he lives in Indianapolis now)

 

[purduepat1969]

Hazell was a whole different level of bad. For many of the years under Hope and Brohm, we were average. Look at that collectively however you want, but you can't lump Hope and Brohm in with Hazell if you want to be honest with yourself.

Hazell was the worst, of course. But they all have losing records at Purdue. I'm hopeful Brohm will fix that.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

You are correct,but it seemed like they played harder when Parker took over.

Uhhh, the guy lost every game he coached.

 

[Matt Tiger]

Uhhh, the guy lost every game he coached.

Yes they lost them all but he coached through the hardest part of the schedule and they showed more fight than they did under DH2.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Hazell was a whole different level of bad. For many of the years under Hope and Brohm, we were average. Look at that collectively however you want, but you can't lump Hope and Brohm in with Hazell if you want to be honest with yourself.

What I wouldn’t have given to have Danny hope the guy be a Barry Alvarez type coach. We win the rose bowl and Danny cracks open a Budweiser during the interview and says “be sure to be on time with your rent America, gotta pay if ya wanna stay.”

 

[TheGunner]

Their perception made me think back to EMU and nevada

Anyone who has watched the last few years knows Purdue can not afford to take ANYONE lightly.

We aren’t talented enough to win on talent alone.

 

[TheGunner]

Hazell was a whole different level of bad. For many of the years under Hope and Brohm, we were average. Look at that collectively however you want, but you can't lump Hope and Brohm in with Hazell if you want to be honest with yourself.

THIS! Watching Hazell felt like NW in the 80s. Other teams toyed with us just to make us think Hazell might not “completely suck” and to convince us to keep him another year…and it worked in 2015 when Burke kept him on another year.

Darkest day in the modern history of Purdue football.

 

[jmohlman]

Perception is what it is because we haven't been ranked in like 14 years. This isn't a BAD football program but 1. has room for improvement and 2. knows what it is like to get to good, but issues sustaining that.

You can crap on this team all you like but its going to be the most talented we have had on the field in many many years.

Just need to A. stay healthy and B. have the coaches get the most out of what they have.

Don’t look back, but just remember we were a REALLY badly blown call away from having a good start to the season last year. Momentum is everything in sports, who knows what would’ve happened had the referee had his head out of his ass at the Minnesota game?

 

[goboilers2]

Pat I’m not sure how long you’ve been posting here but I wonder if half of the homers were here when davek and others were here. We’d be playing SE Missouri state and they’d be like “we need to fear this team.. What about their 6’6” receiver Chaunte Ahamefule!?”

my first posts I read here were when we beat notre dame in 03 then had some more nice wins and general consensus was “well.. enjoy it while it lasts cause Purdue is almost never this good.” And I was the one like “who says we can’t be this good all the time!?” And they asked when I graduated. I said 01 and they all laughed like “you’ll see”

I forgot about davek

 

[Level 42]

One key takeaway from our coaching tree is the future chance of success. Hope essentially plateaued at 6ish wins, Hazell plateaued when he put on the turtle neck and Brohm hasn't reached his plateau yet.

He has shown he can win and he is putting the pieces together to get us back there. I am actually rather hopeful for the defense this year as well. It certainly couldn't be any worse but from the sounds of it, it is greatly improved already. Which again wouldn't of taken much.

The one thing I want to see is we pick a QB and stick with it. Even if they struggle because they can't work through all their issues just in practice and frequently cycling people through that position always seems to do more harm than good to me.

 

[SDBoiler1]

One key takeaway from our coaching tree is the future chance of success. Hope essentially plateaued at 6ish wins, Hazell plateaued when he put on the turtle neck and Brohm hasn't reached his plateau yet.

He has shown he can win and he is putting the pieces together to get us back there. I am actually rather hopeful for the defense this year as well. It certainly couldn't be any worse but from the sounds of it, it is greatly improved already. Which again wouldn't of taken much.

The one thing I want to see is we pick a QB and stick with it. Even if they struggle because they can't work through all their issues just in practice and frequently cycling people through that position always seems to do more harm than good to me.

Totally agree. Right now it seems like Brohm is going with Plummer as the starter. This is earleir to signal the starter than previous years, except for maybe 2018? with Sindelar.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

One key takeaway from our coaching tree is the future chance of success. Hope essentially plateaued at 6ish wins, Hazell plateaued when he put on the turtle neck and Brohm hasn't reached his plateau yet.

He has shown he can win and he is putting the pieces together to get us back there. I am actually rather hopeful for the defense this year as well. It certainly couldn't be any worse but from the sounds of it, it is greatly improved already. Which again wouldn't of taken much.

The one thing I want to see is we pick a QB and stick with it. Even if they struggle because they can't work through all their issues just in practice and frequently cycling people through that position always seems to do more harm than good to me.

Brohm has had something derail each season after the first

 

[Level 42]

Brohm has had something derail each season after the first

Very fair point. I am also convinced getting Covid took a lot out of him. This season I am content with a 5 to 6 win season because we are sorta rebuilding and have a tough schedule Next season I expect more though.

The wildcard for this season for me is the defense. The offense did enough more times than not last season to win games with all the points they scored, but the defense essentially gave those points right back.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Very fair point. I am also convinced getting Covid took a lot out of him. This season I am content with a 5 to 6 win season because we are sorta rebuilding and have a tough schedule Next season I expect more though.

The wildcard for this season for me is the defense. The offense did enough more times than not last season to win games with all the points they scored, but the defense essentially gave those points right back.

Offensive line. I like to make my initial thoughts before camp and argue them vigorously. As camp has gone on I’ve been convinced that these defensive coaches will cobble together some decency at the very least.

However, when you go into a season in our league with 7 OL ready to play? Ehhh.. I’m readying myself for a season where we say “there’s another thing that derailed it”.. and I don’t think it’s for lack of effort. I also just am not as high on long as others… but could be a second year thing, particularly for an OL.

I’m still at 5-7. HOWEVER, if we aren’t derailed.. I’d tell the 7-5 crowd to look closely at Lincoln and Evanston .. those are your potential 6th and 7th wins if Purdue handles their own affairs and isn’t derailed.

I think next year we will go into the year sufficiently armed for a 7 win season even with your normal injuries, bad officiating and bad bounces.. with a chance to fight for more.

 

[Level 42]

Offensive line. I like to make my initial thoughts before camp and argue them vigorously. As camp has gone on I’ve been convinced that these defensive coaches will cobble together some decency at the very least.

However, when you go into a season in our league with 7 OL ready to play? Ehhh.. I’m readying myself for a season where we say “there’s another thing that derailed it”.. and I don’t think it’s for lack of effort. I also just am not as high on long as others… but could be a second year thing, particularly for an OL.

I’m still at 5-7. HOWEVER, if we aren’t derailed.. I’d tell the 7-5 crowd to look closely at Lincoln and Evanston .. those are your potential 6th and 7th wins if Purdue handles their own affairs and isn’t derailed.

I think next year we will go into the year sufficiently armed for a 7 win season even with your normal injuries, bad officiating and bad bounces.. with a chance to fight for more.

You and I are similarly aligned I think on wins. With as many bowl games as there are 5 wins may get you in one, which would be a step in the right direction.

 

[bonefish1]

Totally agree. Right now it seems like Brohm is going with Plummer as the starter. This is earleir to signal the starter than previous years, except for maybe 2018? with Sindelar.

Agree. Plummer looks the good coming off the bus at 6'5, 230. That's NFL dream size.
Plus, for some weird reason, he was put on the Johnny Unitas award watch list.... Maybe they know something we don't.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You and I are similarly aligned I think on wins. With as many bowl games as there are 5 wins may get you in one, which would be a step in the right direction.

Agreed. And it’s important to clarify .. that year where we beat Jimmy claussen and went into the Ohio state game undefeated before getting crowned.. this team might be 8-4 if they played those teams. Going 5-7 now is not this super easy thing to do. The big ten is strong IMO.

this is a 7-5 team if there are few injuries and everything clicks. With every team .. that rarely happens