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Done know jack$hit about Vermont other than maple syrup, but I got to imagine they don't have the horses to match up with Biggie and Haas down low.
I'm guessing PU is going to see a zone right out of the gate and every time the ball does get dumped inside, the D will double/triple team and either force a bad shot or a kick out and hope the PU shooters are cold.
What I don't want to see is Biggie and Haas thinking they have to score everything they're within 10 feet of the bucket. I don't mind Biggie working the mid-range game, but Haas stinks outside of 2 feet.

Also, will be interesting to see how the game is called compared to a typical B10 game. Will the refs swallow the whistle knowing it's a mismatch or will they called V for the constant hacking that is sure to take place on our bigs?
 
I think you can "BANK" on them playing zone most of game..........really don't think they have any choice! We just need to be patient and work the ball around for good shots..............no need to be jacking up 3's all over the place............
 
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Let them, only so we can show the posters here who think we go into full panic with a zone that we can handle it. Honestly no better way for us to get out of our shooting slump than to see a zone. Hasn't worked against us yet this year.
 
I have to find the post, but I think someone posted a few days ago that Vermont is M2M and doesn't play zone.

This call for zone is just getting stupid.
 
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bonefish1 said:
Done know jack$hit about Vermont other than maple syrup, but I got to imagine they don't have the horses to match up with Biggie and Haas down low.
I'm guessing PU is going to see a zone right out of the gate and every time the ball does get dumped inside, the D will double/triple team and either force a bad shot or a kick out and hope the PU shooters are cold.
What I don't want to see is Biggie and Haas thinking they have to score everything they're within 10 feet of the bucket. I don't mind Biggie working the mid-range game, but Haas stinks outside of 2 feet.

Also, will be interesting to see how the game is called compared to a typical B10 game. Will the refs swallow the whistle knowing it's a mismatch or will they called V for the constant hacking that is sure to take place on our bigs?
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This is one of my concerns as well. Hopefully it isn't a big deal..........
 
Just can't afford out typical 3-25 from beyond the arc like we usually do in the tourney.

Even if they do zone, I hope Painter starts CE and not Cline.
 
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Just can't afford out typical 3-25 from beyond the arc like we usually do in the tourney.

Even if they do zone, I hope Painter starts CE and not Cline.
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Yes, the most important factor of this game! Whether Carsen starts and plays 25 minutes, or whether he comes off the bench at the first timeout and plays 25 minutes.

Sigh, this is not getting old at all.
 
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depthcharge623 said:
I can't really see how it could be called worse than B1G games. A whistle on every play, no way to build on momentum, and complete silence when Haas (and sometimes Biggie) are hacked to pieces. If anything, it should be better in the tourney...
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But in Purdue's case, Purdue has NOT been called for a lot of fouls in most games.

They've done a good job of adjusting to the rules, but the Big Ten IS more physical than other conferences, so Purdue could very well find itself on the side of getting called a lot - and there's definitely at least some weight differential between the two teams, which make things look more "foul-ish" than not. One of our big advantages has been getting to the line and having a solid free throw attempt differential.
 
lbodel said:
Yes, the most important factor of this game! Whether Carsen starts and plays 25 minutes, or whether he comes off the bench at the first timeout and plays 25 minutes.

Sigh, this is not getting old at all.
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I'd much rather have CE start so he can set the tempo, try to get some easy buckets and high percentage shots. With Cline, you're essentially relying on him hitting 3s and if he doesn't, he's not adding anything to the offense.
 
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we put 107 up on this team with 18 3's with no aj hammons and the walk ons playing. These guys are in trouble. I'm sure they will throw the kitchen sink at us, but this is a GREAT first round matchup for us. I'm not sure I can find a better one in the 1-13 seeds.
 
TopSecretBoiler said:
we put 107 up on this team with 18 3's with no aj hammons and the walk ons playing. These guys are in trouble. I'm sure they will throw the kitchen sink at us, but this is a GREAT first round matchup for us. I'm not sure I can find a better one in the 1-13 seeds.
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what's the line? You putting any scratch on it?
 
bonefish1 said:
Done know jack$hit about Vermont other than maple syrup, but I got to imagine they don't have the horses to match up with Biggie and Haas down low.
I'm guessing PU is going to see a zone right out of the gate and every time the ball does get dumped inside, the D will double/triple team and either force a bad shot or a kick out and hope the PU shooters are cold.
What I don't want to see is Biggie and Haas thinking they have to score everything they're within 10 feet of the bucket. I don't mind Biggie working the mid-range game, but Haas stinks outside of 2 feet.

Also, will be interesting to see how the game is called compared to a typical B10 game. Will the refs swallow the whistle knowing it's a mismatch or will they called V for the constant hacking that is sure to take place on our bigs?
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Zone? Cowboy Up...
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TopSecretBoiler said:
we put 107 up on this team with 18 3's with no aj hammons and the walk ons playing. These guys are in trouble. I'm sure they will throw the kitchen sink at us, but this is a GREAT first round matchup for us. I'm not sure I can find a better one in the 1-13 seeds.
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Meh. They have a very different team. Supposedly they've since added some bulk down low that will be able to bang with Haas and Swanigan. I'm not saying it will be successful, but we cannot rely on what happened last year.
 
depthcharge623 said:
I can't really see how it could be called worse than B1G games. A whistle on every play, no way to build on momentum, and complete silence when Haas (and sometimes Biggie) are hacked to pieces. If anything, it should be better in the tourney...
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I suppose so............I guess they should be used to it by now anyway LOL
 
Boiler_HD said:
Let them, only so we can show the posters here who think we go into full panic with a zone that we can handle it. Honestly no better way for us to get out of our shooting slump than to see a zone. Hasn't worked against us yet this year.
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This is why, honestly, I think the people clamoring for a zone think it would be effective. Over the last few seasons when Purdue struggled to be consistent from beyond the arc, a zone was a great way to properly defend Purdue. When Painter saw this, he began a strategy of bringing in one elite shooter in with every class to get teams out of the zone and to allow his big men to play one on one.
 
bonefish1 said:
Done know jack$hit about Vermont other than maple syrup, but I got to imagine they don't have the horses to match up with Biggie and Haas down low.
I'm guessing PU is going to see a zone right out of the gate and every time the ball does get dumped inside, the D will double/triple team and either force a bad shot or a kick out and hope the PU shooters are cold.
What I don't want to see is Biggie and Haas thinking they have to score everything they're within 10 feet of the bucket. I don't mind Biggie working the mid-range game, but Haas stinks outside of 2 feet.

Also, will be interesting to see how the game is called compared to a typical B10 game. Will the refs swallow the whistle knowing it's a mismatch or will they called V for the constant hacking that is sure to take place on our bigs?
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Your post loses credibility pretty fast when you say you know nothing. If you know nothing learn something. Vermont is a man team that prides itself on d and has won 21 straight. It isn't going to go zone unless it's a last resort.
It has a frosh it thinks can hold ground, which I doubt but it seems to be the first option. I would expect double teams but not a zone. With good passing from the bigs and guards, purdue should handle it's business.
 
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delish1 said:
Your post loses credibility pretty fast when you say you know nothing. If you know nothing learn something. Vermont is a man team that prides itself on d and has won 21 straight. It isn't going to go zone unless it's a last resort.
It has a frosh it thinks can hold ground, which I doubt but it seems to be the first option. I would expect double teams but not a zone. With good passing from the bigs and guards, purdue should handle it's business.
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If Haas, Vince, and Biggie can pass out of the early double teams and find shooters on the outside to make shots, Vermont will struggle heavily to stay with the Boilers. My guess is that we may end up seeing Vince posting his player up in an effort to get rotation off of Biggie on the backside for a one on one option.
 
bonefish1 said:
Done know jack$hit about Vermont other than maple syrup, but I got to imagine they don't have the horses to match up with Biggie and Haas down low.
I'm guessing PU is going to see a zone right out of the gate and every time the ball does get dumped inside, the D will double/triple team and either force a bad shot or a kick out and hope the PU shooters are cold.
What I don't want to see is Biggie and Haas thinking they have to score everything they're within 10 feet of the bucket. I don't mind Biggie working the mid-range game, but Haas stinks outside of 2 feet.

Also, will be interesting to see how the game is called compared to a typical B10 game. Will the refs swallow the whistle knowing it's a mismatch or will they called V for the constant hacking that is sure to take place on our bigs?
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I think you are correct that V will want to take away the inside with doubles. Not sure it will be done with a zone or a saggy man 2 man but the end result for our bigs is the same.
I hope to see both bigs be very aware of where the double is likely to come from based on proximity and the tendency as it develops.
I hope to see Haas play with his feet inside his frame instead of stretching and trying to be Happ. He is Haas and his goal should be to play like a hoss!
I think Swanigan does have, as he should, the green light to pass or shoot as he sees fit.
Chin it and move it!
If these things happen and we can find one guy "on" from outside, we will do well in this tournament. As the competition gets tougher more things will be required but I am optimistic.
 
depthcharge623 said:
Meh. They have a very different team. Supposedly they've since added some bulk down low that will be able to bang with Haas and Swanigan. I'm not saying it will be successful, but we cannot rely on what happened last year.
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Vermont's leading scorer is a freshman who did not play against Purdue.

If this game was played in December, it's eventually an easy Purdue victory. Things play out differently in the NCAA Tournament, we know that.

They played 3 major conference tournament teams, including Butler and South Carolina, and were not getting blown out at halftime.
 
delish1 said:
Your post loses credibility pretty fast when you say you know nothing. If you know nothing learn something. Vermont is a man team that prides itself on d and has won 21 straight. It isn't going to go zone unless it's a last resort.
It has a frosh it thinks can hold ground, which I doubt but it seems to be the first option. I would expect double teams but not a zone. With good passing from the bigs and guards, purdue should handle it's business.
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I don't know anything about Vermont because I could care less about Vermont, both the state and the university. I've never been there and have zero desire to go there. In addition, I have neither the time or inclination to spend time learning about their basketball team because, well....it's Vermont.
This game should be the equivalent of a decent out of conference cupcake game and I expect Purdue to win by 20.
 
bonefish1 said:
I'd much rather have CE start so he can set the tempo, try to get some easy buckets and high percentage shots. With Cline, you're essentially relying on him hitting 3s and if he doesn't, he's not adding anything to the offense.
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Two sides of the story - you also don't need bonehead decisions and turnovers early in a game which can give teams hope. If Carsen plays under control and makes good decisions, no doubt I'd love him in there. But last thing you want to do is spot the other team some extra opportunities because of inexperience. So I see it both ways.
 
bonefish1 said:
I don't know anything about Vermont because I could care less about Vermont, both the state and the university. I've never been there and have zero desire to go there. In addition, I have neither the time or inclination to spend time learning about their basketball team because, well....it's Vermont.
This game should be the equivalent of a decent out of conference cupcake game and I expect Purdue to win by 20.
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I mean, I'd love to have ice cream every day and not get fat, but that's not reality. Vermont is not a "cupcake" team - cupcake teams don't often have the longest winning streak in the country.

If Purdue shows up and plays its game, it should be fine. As I said before, Vermont isn't a team that's going to beat itself, we're going to have to come and beat them ourselves. If 3 point shooting is off, we have extra turnovers, we get into foul trouble - things can play out very differently.
 
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I don't know anything about Vermont because I could care less about Vermont, both the state and the university. I've never been there and have zero desire to go there. In addition, I have neither the time or inclination to spend time learning about their basketball team because, well....it's Vermont.
This game should be the equivalent of a decent out of conference cupcake game and I expect Purdue to win by 20.
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You don't even like syrup on your pancakes, Lenny? Try it, you'll like it. :)
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
This is why, honestly, I think the people clamoring for a zone think it would be effective. Over the last few seasons when Purdue struggled to be consistent from beyond the arc, a zone was a great way to properly defend Purdue. When Painter saw this, he began a strategy of bringing in one elite shooter in with every class to get teams out of the zone and to allow his big men to play one on one.
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I remember a lot of teams playing man with Terone, Ronnie, AJ, Rapheal and ? Most teams just backed off the perimeter and defended the pass to AJ and defended the drive and yet had a body around the offensive player to block out. Being no threat on the perimeter those teams just morphed into a sagging or sinking Hank Iba defense. There may have been some zone...I can't recall.
 
depthcharge623 said:
Meh. They have a very different team. Supposedly they've since added some bulk down low that will be able to bang with Haas and Swanigan. I'm not saying it will be successful, but we cannot rely on what happened last year.
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According to the ESPN roster, their biggest guy is 6'8", 219 lbs. Smaller than V. Edwards...
 
pastorjoeboggs said:
According to the ESPN roster, their biggest guy is 6'8", 219 lbs. Smaller than V. Edwards...
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They're an interesting team - they definitely don't have size in terms of weight. But they aren't a short team either - their starting line-up consists of a few 6'7"/6'8" guys. I wouldn't say this is an overly-athletic team, but a 6'7" 215 pound guy will be a bit quicker than Haas, for example. Even though it's an overall size/weight differential for sure, it's an awkward matchup on our end too. We need to feed the post well because if our guys have to bring the ball low, that's where trouble brews.
 
lbodel said:
I mean, I'd love to have ice cream every day and not get fat, but that's not reality.
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Oh crap! So that's what happened.
I've considered eating it only once per quarter, but the NCAA is still using halfs, so I'll cut back to that frequency the next couple of weeks.
 
Dakota Girl said:
Oh crap! So that's what happened.
I've considered eating it only once per quarter, but the NCAA is still using halfs, so I'll cut back to that frequency the next couple of weeks.
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I just bought some mint moose tracks ice cream that is most delicious. Mmmmmm
 
just leave it and take a drink...without spitting it up over the keyboard. Ooops thought you responded to another...hey I need to set the recorder...even though I will see it live
 
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