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How Purdue Can Win It All

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To be the best team in the country, you have to be the best, or close to the best, at several categories. Let's look at categories that Purdue can realistically do that. We'll use the starting lineup of PJ, Dakota, Cline, Vince, and Haas.

3 point % - realistic expectation: #1
Free throw % - realistic expectation: #1
Assist to turnover ratio - realistic expectation: #1
Rebound margin - realistic expectation: Top 50
Points per possession allowed: realistic expectation: Top 100

Purdue will have the offensive efficiency of teams that are typically much smaller and less athletic like a Creighton or Belmont. The weakest category by far is defense. PJ is too short. Cline isn't strong enough. Haas isn't a natural shot blocker. The ability to switch and out of a zone minimizes those deficiencies. If you watched Xavier in the tournament, you know what I mean.
 
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To be the best team in the country, you have to be the best, or close to the best, at several categories. Let's look at categories that Purdue can realistically do that. We'll use the starting lineup of PJ, Dakota, Cline, Vince, and Haas.

3 point % - realistic expectation: #1
Free throw % - realistic expectation: #1
Assist to turnover ratio - realistic expectation: #1
Rebound margin - realistic expectation: Top 50
Points per possession allowed: realistic expectation: Top 100

Purdue will have the offensive efficiency of teams that are typically much smaller and less athletic like a Creighton or Belmont. The weakest category by far is defense. PJ is too short. Cline isn't strong enough. Haas isn't a natural shot blocker. The ability to switch and out of a zone minimizes those deficiencies. If you watched Xavier in the tournament, you know what I mean.

Painter is adding athletes. Ewing, Wheeler, and Eastern are much better athletes than what we had. Carsen also has a full year of experience and he was the best athlete and fastest player last year. Eastern isn't much more athletic than PJ, but he is like 7 inches taller. He will be a nightmare when guarding much smaller guards. Ewing was a top rated Juco with above average athletic ability. He doesn't have the strength or weight of Biggie, but he should be more athletic. Wheeler is unlike anything we have had in a long time. He is very athletic and he is a very good scorer at the wing position. He should have the versatility that Vince had but with much more athleticism. If Wheeler can have a shooting percentage similar to Vince, he will be a matchup nightmare as well. Don't forget that Taylor is coming back, and he is a much better shot blocker and has quicker feet than Biggie did. That may also lead to a defensive improvement.

Wheeler and Eastern will be freshman, so I will try and keep my expectations realistic, but they could have a big impact with Biggie's departure. If the young guys commit to defense and learn the offense, the sweet 16 and ranked top 20 all year should be the floor on expectations.

The rebounding and scoring will be missed form Biggie, but we will gain other things. It's unlikely we win it all, but we should compete for sure.
 
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I agree that being the best team in America might be a stretch but come March anything can happen.
Don't sleep on Haarms. Big and can shoot from distance.

I think Haarms will be relegated to mop up duty behind Taylor and Ewing unless he really shows improvement and/or Taylor gets hurt again. I think Haarms will be very good, but unless they move Taylor or Ewing to back up the four, he has a lot of bodies between him and playing time. He bulked up, so maybe he moves up the depth chart. He has great size and lateral quickness for that size. If he shows he can defend the rim and close out on the other teams big, then he could surprise me and get some big minutes early. After next year, he has a shot at starting, so I hope he does see the court.

Edit: Vince had 24 points (13 reb 1 assist) in 41 minutes against ALR in a double overtime game and 14 points (8 rbs 7 assists) in 34 minutes against Cincinnati. 21 points (5 rebs 3 assists) in 35 minutes against Vermont. 21 points (10 rebs 4 assists) in 29 minutes against ISU (arguably his best effort). 8 points (4 rebs 2 assists) in 27 minutes against Kansas.

17.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 3.4 apg in the tournament. With a 2-3 record and both wins came last year with a national player of the year candidate.
 
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It feels a bit like the 2012 team, which was very efficient but lacked great athleticism. Some of the players that compare are Vince and Hummel, Mathias and Smith, and Byrd and Cline. PJ is very different than LewJack in that he is a shooter, rather than a driver, but similar in that he is short, strong, and very efficient. Carson is somewhat similar to a young Terone Johnson, but more explosive. The biggest difference is that the 2012 team lacked a true post, with nobody on the roster similar to Haas.

Like 2012, this will be a senior dominated team that will out execute the competition. I definitely think that this year's team is deeper and more talented, but won't lead the NCAA in lowest turnover % like that team because of greater reliance on the post. Like that team, I think that you'll see sound position defense being played.
 
Haas will be a senior, but I'm not sure you could call him a true post. He has yet to average over 20 minutes. He doesn't block shots. And his rebounding is suspect. Yet his fans believe he is NBA bound.

Also after 3 years, it's hard for me to believe Dakota or Vince will take their game to some new higher level.

C Edwards is perhaps our best hope for a player to elevate his game. But how many additional minutes will he be given to do so? And if he does, I believe it will be at the expense of pj.

When it comes to basketball, I'm not very loyal. I believe we have a better chance of winning with Ewing and C Edwards getting major minutes and Eastern and Wheeler getting significant playing time, and letting Taylor prove his worth, than to let our 4 seniors lead the way. To me, when you put on the uniform, you need to take off the class rank.
 
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I agree that being the best team in America might be a stretch but come March anything can happen.
Don't sleep on Haarms. Big and can shoot from distance.
I actually hope Haarms struggles a
It the this year. A 7 footer that consistently knocks down 3s is gonna be a hot draft item sooner instead of later.
 
Just my $.02...

I don't see next year's team competing for the National Championship or even the Final Four, but I think they'll be better than 2012.

I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 or 26 wins, 12 or 13 in the B1G, and I'm betting they'll find a way to get back to the S16.
 
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To be the best team in the country, you have to be the best, or close to the best, at several categories. Let's look at categories that Purdue can realistically do that. We'll use the starting lineup of PJ, Dakota, Cline, Vince, and Haas.

3 point % - realistic expectation: #1
Free throw % - realistic expectation: #1
Assist to turnover ratio - realistic expectation: #1
Rebound margin - realistic expectation: Top 50
Points per possession allowed: realistic expectation: Top 100

Purdue will have the offensive efficiency of teams that are typically much smaller and less athletic like a Creighton or Belmont. The weakest category by far is defense. PJ is too short. Cline isn't strong enough. Haas isn't a natural shot blocker. The ability to switch and out of a zone minimizes those deficiencies. If you watched Xavier in the tournament, you know what I mean.

What was Purdue's points per possession allowed this year. If it was significantly better than 100 (give our top 25 defensive efficiency, I'm guessing it was), why do you think we will be much worse defensively this year?
 
I agree that being the best team in America might be a stretch but come March anything can happen.
Don't sleep on Haarms. Big and can shoot from distance.

Painter is very high on Haarms. I'm guessing it'll be difficult to keep him off the floor. Sure, he's a freshman, so sure, he'll have growing pains. But guys that tall with that kind of skill are rare. And I'm hearing he moves much better than most dudes his height. His ceiling is extremely high.
 
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Painter is very high on Haarms. I'm guessing it'll be difficult to keep him off the floor. Sure, he's a freshman, so sure, he'll have growing pains. But guys that tall with that kind of skill are rare. And I'm hearing he moves much better than most dudes his height. His ceiling is extremely high.

The ceiling is high for him, and he probably still has to duck.
 
How to win it all next year? Shoot a bunch of threes every game and hope you get hot for two and a half weeks at the end of the season.
 
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well, at least, you have the right attitude. Winning it all should be our goal and focus every year, and also in every sport. if that is not your goal and focus, you will soon find yourself swimming in mediocrity and making excuses for losses. or being happy with and accepting losing. I don't expect us to win it all, but I hope we do, and I hope Painter puts the best 5 guys on the floor that he believes gives us the best chance of winning. When it comes to playing, egos need to be checked at the locker room.

a famous football coach once said , we play the game to win. and NO, he wasn't a Purdue football coach.
 
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3 point % - realistic expectation: #1
Free throw % - realistic expectation: #1
Assist to turnover ratio - realistic expectation: #1


I think you might want to replace "realistic expectation" with "super optimistic hope". Last season Purdue ranked #7 in 3pt%, #30 in FT%, and #17 in assist/to ratio (although that is kind of meaningless and TO rate is far more meaningful in which Purdue ranked #163).

I mean maybe you could say it's realistic to finish top 25 in all 3 stats, but certainly not #1 nationally. I'd venture a guess that no team has lead the country in all 3 of those stats in decades. Heck only 6 teams have been top 5 in both 3 point shooting and FT shooting in the last 16 seasons.
 
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well, at least, you have the right attitude. Winning it all should be our goal and focus every year, and also in every sport. if that is not your goal and focus, you will soon find yourself swimming in mediocrity and making excuses for losses. or being happy with and accepting losing. I don't expect us to win it all, but I hope we do, and I hope Painter puts the best 5 guys on the floor that he believes gives us the best chance of winning. When it comes to playing, egos need to be checked at the locker room.

a famous football coach once said , we play the game to win. and NO, he wasn't a Purdue football coach.

Can't have it both ways. If you're scared to play the big boys, you'll never be in a position to win it all.
 
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Haas will be a senior, but I'm not sure you could call him a true post. He has yet to average over 20 minutes. He doesn't block shots. And his rebounding is suspect. Yet his fans believe he is NBA bound.

Also after 3 years, it's hard for me to believe Dakota or Vince will take their game to some new higher level.

C Edwards is perhaps our best hope for a player to elevate his game. But how many additional minutes will he be given to do so? And if he does, I believe it will be at the expense of pj.

When it comes to basketball, I'm not very loyal. I believe we have a better chance of winning with Ewing and C Edwards getting major minutes and Eastern and Wheeler getting significant playing time, and letting Taylor prove his worth, than to let our 4 seniors lead the way. To me, when you put on the uniform, you need to take off the class rank.
So despite the fact Ewing, Eastern, and Wheeler have yet to step on the floor in a game at Mackey Arena..............and you have never seen them play, you think they should "lead the way" over the seniors.........a class that has arguably done as much as any to turn around the program at Purdue.
Brilliant.
 
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So despite the fact Ewing, Eastern, and Wheeler have yet to step on the floor in a game at Mackey Arena......
and you have never seen them play, you think they should "lead the way" over the seniors.........a class that has arguably done as much as any to turn around the program at Purdue.
Brilliant.

Yes. I am brilliant! I predicted Biggie would leave and never strayed from my decision, and provided about 20 reasons. I also predicted Purdue would lay an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and that they would lose to Kansas.

I've also stated many times that I have not seen many of Purdue's recruits play in high school or watch many AAU games. But I place a lot more faith in the people who are paid to rate a recruit over the typical Purdue fan with 10,000 posts on a sports forum. I use those people who rate players as my eyes and ears.

It seems some of you are rather hypocritical about those people who rate players. You love their rankings if the player is targeted or signed by Purdue. I keep reading how great JJJ, Phinisee, Hunter, and Carmody are. And you like them primarily based on those ratings. But when they sign elsewhere, you seem to doubt those ratings and say they are not as good as their ratings. You love Haarms, but Epperson, not so much. And nobody likes Bowen, primarily because he doesn't like Purdue.

I'll have to ask, how many people on this board have actually seeen Ewing, Wheeler, Haarms or Eastern play an actual game? Or is opinion just formed by highlight reel films? To be honest, I've never seen a negative highlight reel film except for the one my son was in. And that film was Cliff Alexander's film. My son made Cliff look great.

So yes, if those people who get paid to rate players say a player is good/great, I tend to believe them more than people with blood on their face or fancy abrieviated nicknames that have Boiler as part of it. Nothing says homer more than a nickname including their favorite team's name.

And I also look at the players Painter targets and also plays. PJ was not Painter's first choice to be Purdue's point guard. His first three choices signed elsewhere. And many people including Painter were hoping C Edwards would start over PJ. Has anybody seen Taylor play extended periods of time? He was a high 3 star before an injury his senior year. Wheeler was on a national championship high school team. But he was the second best player on the team, but shined in the championship game when their opponent keyed on his teammate.

I could on and on regurgitating reports by people who do them for money. I've also watched many Purdue games. And I've watched our current players choke a lot of games away to lesser teams in the past 5 years. So rather than going with the most experienced players, I prefer to believe some of our recruits based on national analysis, are better options .

Kentucky has proven a team can win with freshmen starters. Other teams have proven freshmen are better starters than existing players. Swanigan beat out somebody to start as a freshman.

Eastern has a lot of accolades and was rated higher than Edwards. Should we show loyalty to Pj or go with the player with obviously more talent? Ewing was the best JuCo PF last year. Should we play Edwards at PF, or keep him at SF?

Some of you are hard to understand. You praise these incoming recruits as being great, but you still want to start seniors primarily based on experience and the fact we won a bunch of games last year and you don't want change.

So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.

And lastly, those four seniors didn't really turn around Purdue basketball. Last year's team was essentially as good as the Boilers were the three previous years. The lone difference is the ball went in the hoop rather than choking against Cincy and Arkansas st. We still had problems hitting FTs in the closing seconds. Last year's team almost lost to Vermont and ISU. How soon we forgot Vermont's best player became injured. If not for that injury, and we had lost to Vermont, would you still want these 4 seniors to start?
 
'17: UNC & Gonzaga - combined to start 9 upperclassmen & a 3rd year sophomore

Seniors are better than freshmen 100% of the time. Even the last freshman to win NPOY, Anthony Davis, was a once in a generation talent with a limited offensive skillset at the time.
 
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Yes. I am brilliant! I predicted Biggie would leave and never strayed from my decision, and provided about 20 reasons. I also predicted Purdue would lay an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and that they would lose to Kansas.

I've also stated many times that I have not seen many of Purdue's recruits play in high school or watch many AAU games. But I place a lot more faith in the people who are paid to rate a recruit over the typical Purdue fan with 10,000 posts on a sports forum. I use those people who rate players as my eyes and ears.

It seems some of you are rather hypocritical about those people who rate players. You love their rankings if the player is targeted or signed by Purdue. I keep reading how great JJJ, Phinisee, Hunter, and Carmody are. And you like them primarily based on those ratings. But when they sign elsewhere, you seem to doubt those ratings and say they are not as good as their ratings. You love Haarms, but Epperson, not so much. And nobody likes Bowen, primarily because he doesn't like Purdue.

I'll have to ask, how many people on this board have actually seeen Ewing, Wheeler, Haarms or Eastern play an actual game? Or is opinion just formed by highlight reel films? To be honest, I've never seen a negative highlight reel film except for the one my son was in. And that film was Cliff Alexander's film. My son made Cliff look great.

So yes, if those people who get paid to rate players say a player is good/great, I tend to believe them more than people with blood on their face or fancy abrieviated nicknames that have Boiler as part of it. Nothing says homer more than a nickname including their favorite team's name.

And I also look at the players Painter targets and also plays. PJ was not Painter's first choice to be Purdue's point guard. His first three choices signed elsewhere. And many people including Painter were hoping C Edwards would start over PJ. Has anybody seen Taylor play extended periods of time? He was a high 3 star before an injury his senior year. Wheeler was on a national championship high school team. But he was the second best player on the team, but shined in the championship game when their opponent keyed on his teammate.

I could on and on regurgitating reports by people who do them for money. I've also watched many Purdue games. And I've watched our current players choke a lot of games away to lesser teams in the past 5 years. So rather than going with the most experienced players, I prefer to believe some of our recruits based on national analysis, are better options .

Kentucky has proven a team can win with freshmen starters. Other teams have proven freshmen are better starters than existing players. Swanigan beat out somebody to start as a freshman.

Eastern has a lot of accolades and was rated higher than Edwards. Should we show loyalty to Pj or go with the player with obviously more talent? Ewing was the best JuCo PF last year. Should we play Edwards at PF, or keep him at SF?

Some of you are hard to understand. You praise these incoming recruits as being great, but you still want to start seniors primarily based on experience and the fact we won a bunch of games last year and you don't want change.

So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.

And lastly, those four seniors didn't really turn around Purdue basketball. Last year's team was essentially as good as the Boilers were the three previous years. The lone difference is the ball went in the hoop rather than choking against Cincy and Arkansas st. We still had problems hitting FTs in the closing seconds. Last year's team almost lost to Vermont and ISU. How soon we forgot Vermont's best player became injured. If not for that injury, and we had lost to Vermont, would you still want these 4 seniors to start?
You obviously have me confused with someone else..........or you have gone off your meds. I have never said any thing about Haarms vs. Epperson.........I never make comments on recruits. Never. I can't see them where I live. Check the history if you like.
There are those on here and KHC that follow recruiting pretty closely and actually see these players. I listen to them........and Brian.
Carsen will be a great player for us, maybe one for our history books. My guess is Eastern will be fine fairly soon thanks to his work ethic, leadership, size and skills. Ewing will take some time to adjust to the B1G and the upgrade in competition but I like the move. There, I made some comments on a couple recruits.
As far as Haarms and Wheeler, you referred several times to your belief in the experts that evaluate recruits, how you think the paid analysts are right and the rankings should determine who plays. FYI, both of those guys are 3 stars. Contradictions are a bitch.
You want 3 freshman and a juco to to get "significant minutes" rather than have our 4 seniors "lead the way". I guess that says it all. Wow, just............wow.
 
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It feels a bit like the 2012 team, which was very efficient but lacked great athleticism. Some of the players that compare are Vince and Hummel, Mathias and Smith, and Byrd and Cline. PJ is very different than LewJack in that he is a shooter, rather than a driver, but similar in that he is short, strong, and very efficient. Carson is somewhat similar to a young Terone Johnson, but more explosive. The biggest difference is that the 2012 team lacked a true post, with nobody on the roster similar to Haas.

Like 2012, this will be a senior dominated team that will out execute the competition. I definitely think that this year's team is deeper and more talented, but won't lead the NCAA in lowest turnover % like that team because of greater reliance on the post. Like that team, I think that you'll see sound position defense being played.

That team had true posts (Travis "Tacos" Carroll and Sandi Marcius). They just weren't as good as Haas.
 
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Yes. I am brilliant! I predicted Biggie would leave and never strayed from my decision, and provided about 20 reasons. I also predicted Purdue would lay an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and that they would lose to Kansas.

I've also stated many times that I have not seen many of Purdue's recruits play in high school or watch many AAU games. But I place a lot more faith in the people who are paid to rate a recruit over the typical Purdue fan with 10,000 posts on a sports forum. I use those people who rate players as my eyes and ears.

It seems some of you are rather hypocritical about those people who rate players. You love their rankings if the player is targeted or signed by Purdue. I keep reading how great JJJ, Phinisee, Hunter, and Carmody are. And you like them primarily based on those ratings. But when they sign elsewhere, you seem to doubt those ratings and say they are not as good as their ratings. You love Haarms, but Epperson, not so much. And nobody likes Bowen, primarily because he doesn't like Purdue.

I'll have to ask, how many people on this board have actually seeen Ewing, Wheeler, Haarms or Eastern play an actual game? Or is opinion just formed by highlight reel films? To be honest, I've never seen a negative highlight reel film except for the one my son was in. And that film was Cliff Alexander's film. My son made Cliff look great.

So yes, if those people who get paid to rate players say a player is good/great, I tend to believe them more than people with blood on their face or fancy abrieviated nicknames that have Boiler as part of it. Nothing says homer more than a nickname including their favorite team's name.

And I also look at the players Painter targets and also plays. PJ was not Painter's first choice to be Purdue's point guard. His first three choices signed elsewhere. And many people including Painter were hoping C Edwards would start over PJ. Has anybody seen Taylor play extended periods of time? He was a high 3 star before an injury his senior year. Wheeler was on a national championship high school team. But he was the second best player on the team, but shined in the championship game when their opponent keyed on his teammate.

I could on and on regurgitating reports by people who do them for money. I've also watched many Purdue games. And I've watched our current players choke a lot of games away to lesser teams in the past 5 years. So rather than going with the most experienced players, I prefer to believe some of our recruits based on national analysis, are better options .

Kentucky has proven a team can win with freshmen starters. Other teams have proven freshmen are better starters than existing players. Swanigan beat out somebody to start as a freshman.

Eastern has a lot of accolades and was rated higher than Edwards. Should we show loyalty to Pj or go with the player with obviously more talent? Ewing was the best JuCo PF last year. Should we play Edwards at PF, or keep him at SF?

Some of you are hard to understand. You praise these incoming recruits as being great, but you still want to start seniors primarily based on experience and the fact we won a bunch of games last year and you don't want change.

So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.

And lastly, those four seniors didn't really turn around Purdue basketball. Last year's team was essentially as good as the Boilers were the three previous years. The lone difference is the ball went in the hoop rather than choking against Cincy and Arkansas st. We still had problems hitting FTs in the closing seconds. Last year's team almost lost to Vermont and ISU. How soon we forgot Vermont's best player became injured. If not for that injury, and we had lost to Vermont, would you still want these 4 seniors to start?
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Yes. I am brilliant! I predicted Biggie would leave and never strayed from my decision, and provided about 20 reasons. I also predicted Purdue would lay an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and that they would lose to Kansas.

I've also stated many times that I have not seen many of Purdue's recruits play in high school or watch many AAU games. But I place a lot more faith in the people who are paid to rate a recruit over the typical Purdue fan with 10,000 posts on a sports forum. I use those people who rate players as my eyes and ears.

It seems some of you are rather hypocritical about those people who rate players. You love their rankings if the player is targeted or signed by Purdue. I keep reading how great JJJ, Phinisee, Hunter, and Carmody are. And you like them primarily based on those ratings. But when they sign elsewhere, you seem to doubt those ratings and say they are not as good as their ratings. You love Haarms, but Epperson, not so much. And nobody likes Bowen, primarily because he doesn't like Purdue.

I'll have to ask, how many people on this board have actually seeen Ewing, Wheeler, Haarms or Eastern play an actual game? Or is opinion just formed by highlight reel films? To be honest, I've never seen a negative highlight reel film except for the one my son was in. And that film was Cliff Alexander's film. My son made Cliff look great.

So yes, if those people who get paid to rate players say a player is good/great, I tend to believe them more than people with blood on their face or fancy abrieviated nicknames that have Boiler as part of it. Nothing says homer more than a nickname including their favorite team's name.

And I also look at the players Painter targets and also plays. PJ was not Painter's first choice to be Purdue's point guard. His first three choices signed elsewhere. And many people including Painter were hoping C Edwards would start over PJ. Has anybody seen Taylor play extended periods of time? He was a high 3 star before an injury his senior year. Wheeler was on a national championship high school team. But he was the second best player on the team, but shined in the championship game when their opponent keyed on his teammate.

I could on and on regurgitating reports by people who do them for money. I've also watched many Purdue games. And I've watched our current players choke a lot of games away to lesser teams in the past 5 years. So rather than going with the most experienced players, I prefer to believe some of our recruits based on national analysis, are better options .

Kentucky has proven a team can win with freshmen starters. Other teams have proven freshmen are better starters than existing players. Swanigan beat out somebody to start as a freshman.

Eastern has a lot of accolades and was rated higher than Edwards. Should we show loyalty to Pj or go with the player with obviously more talent? Ewing was the best JuCo PF last year. Should we play Edwards at PF, or keep him at SF?

Some of you are hard to understand. You praise these incoming recruits as being great, but you still want to start seniors primarily based on experience and the fact we won a bunch of games last year and you don't want change.

So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.

And lastly, those four seniors didn't really turn around Purdue basketball. Last year's team was essentially as good as the Boilers were the three previous years. The lone difference is the ball went in the hoop rather than choking against Cincy and Arkansas st. We still had problems hitting FTs in the closing seconds. Last year's team almost lost to Vermont and ISU. How soon we forgot Vermont's best player became injured. If not for that injury, and we had lost to Vermont, would you still want these 4 seniors to start?
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Yes. I am brilliant! I predicted Biggie would leave and never strayed from my decision, and provided about 20 reasons. I also predicted Purdue would lay an egg in the BIG 10 tourney, and that they would lose to Kansas.

I've also stated many times that I have not seen many of Purdue's recruits play in high school or watch many AAU games. But I place a lot more faith in the people who are paid to rate a recruit over the typical Purdue fan with 10,000 posts on a sports forum. I use those people who rate players as my eyes and ears.

It seems some of you are rather hypocritical about those people who rate players. You love their rankings if the player is targeted or signed by Purdue. I keep reading how great JJJ, Phinisee, Hunter, and Carmody are. And you like them primarily based on those ratings. But when they sign elsewhere, you seem to doubt those ratings and say they are not as good as their ratings. You love Haarms, but Epperson, not so much. And nobody likes Bowen, primarily because he doesn't like Purdue.

I'll have to ask, how many people on this board have actually seeen Ewing, Wheeler, Haarms or Eastern play an actual game? Or is opinion just formed by highlight reel films? To be honest, I've never seen a negative highlight reel film except for the one my son was in. And that film was Cliff Alexander's film. My son made Cliff look great.

So yes, if those people who get paid to rate players say a player is good/great, I tend to believe them more than people with blood on their face or fancy abrieviated nicknames that have Boiler as part of it. Nothing says homer more than a nickname including their favorite team's name.

And I also look at the players Painter targets and also plays. PJ was not Painter's first choice to be Purdue's point guard. His first three choices signed elsewhere. And many people including Painter were hoping C Edwards would start over PJ. Has anybody seen Taylor play extended periods of time? He was a high 3 star before an injury his senior year. Wheeler was on a national championship high school team. But he was the second best player on the team, but shined in the championship game when their opponent keyed on his teammate.

I could on and on regurgitating reports by people who do them for money. I've also watched many Purdue games. And I've watched our current players choke a lot of games away to lesser teams in the past 5 years. So rather than going with the most experienced players, I prefer to believe some of our recruits based on national analysis, are better options .

Kentucky has proven a team can win with freshmen starters. Other teams have proven freshmen are better starters than existing players. Swanigan beat out somebody to start as a freshman.

Eastern has a lot of accolades and was rated higher than Edwards. Should we show loyalty to Pj or go with the player with obviously more talent? Ewing was the best JuCo PF last year. Should we play Edwards at PF, or keep him at SF?

Some of you are hard to understand. You praise these incoming recruits as being great, but you still want to start seniors primarily based on experience and the fact we won a bunch of games last year and you don't want change.

So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.

And lastly, those four seniors didn't really turn around Purdue basketball. Last year's team was essentially as good as the Boilers were the three previous years. The lone difference is the ball went in the hoop rather than choking against Cincy and Arkansas st. We still had problems hitting FTs in the closing seconds. Last year's team almost lost to Vermont and ISU. How soon we forgot Vermont's best player became injured. If not for that injury, and we had lost to Vermont, would you still want these 4 seniors to start?
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To be the best team in the country, you have to be the best, or close to the best, at several categories. Let's look at categories that Purdue can realistically do that. We'll use the starting lineup of PJ, Dakota, Cline, Vince, and Haas.

3 point % - realistic expectation: #1
Free throw % - realistic expectation: #1
Assist to turnover ratio - realistic expectation: #1
Rebound margin - realistic expectation: Top 50
Points per possession allowed: realistic expectation: Top 100

Purdue will have the offensive efficiency of teams that are typically much smaller and less athletic like a Creighton or Belmont. The weakest category by far is defense. PJ is too short. Cline isn't strong enough. Haas isn't a natural shot blocker. The ability to switch and out of a zone minimizes those deficiencies. If you watched Xavier in the tournament, you know what I mean.


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  • We have to be realistic and accept the fact that these problems cannot be solved easily.

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  • It's not realistic to expect people to spend that much money on wedding gifts.

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Seniors have had a full 4 years to develop offensively. Let's look at PJ for instance. From year 1 to 2...he drastically increased his 3 point % and assist to turnover ratio. From year 2 to 3...maintaining the previous year's increases, he also added a 3/4 court shot and floater to his skillset, while getting better at breaking the press. From year 3 to 4...expect more.

The offensive efficiency of this team gives them a realistic chance to win it all. If they can get stops.
 
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That team had true posts (Travis "Tacos" Carroll and Sandi Marcius). They just weren't as good as Haas.
I think that we have different definitions of what is meant by "true post". I would guess that the term, "post entry pass", was not used on this forum that entire season.
 
So rather than playing an experienced team, I'd rather play our most talented team. And as basketball analysis goes, the basketball rankings have proven to be a lot more accurate over fan's beliefs.
I completely agree with this.. But the experts' rankings aren't showing much difference between our 2014 and 2017 classes. So the most likely scenario is that our most talented team in 2017-18 is also our most experienced one. Out of the 4 newcomers, the only one with a real argument for substantial playing time based on recruiting hype is Eastern.

2014 class:
I. Haas #71
V. Edwards #124
D. Mathias #147
P. Thompson NR

2017 class:
N. Eastern #73
A. Wheeler #149
M. Haarms NR
E. Ewing NR
 
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I completely agree with this.. But the experts' rankings aren't showing much difference between our 2014 and 2017 classes. So the most likely scenario is that our most talented team in 2017-18 is also our most experienced one. Out of the 4 newcomers, the only one with a real argument for substantial playing time based on recruiting hype is Eastern.

2014 class:
I. Haas #71
V. Edwards #124
D. Mathias #147
P. Thompson NR

2017 class:
N. Eastern #73
A. Wheeler #149
M. Haarms NR
E. Ewing NR

Ewing is the #3-8 Juco player depending on what sight you are looking at. He is also considered a 4*. Slightly deceiving to list him as NR just because he is a Juco. Ewing is in position to lead the '17 new comers with minutes. Ewing can play the 5 or the 4. Wheeler is vastly underrated at 149, but I think he needs to add some weight/muscle before he pulls minutes from the wing. If Ewing/Taylor/Haarms out performs Haas, or Haas gets in early foul trouble, they will get minutes and none of those guys played last year.

I agree that the starting lineup will likely be PJ/Carsen/Mathias/Vince/Haas giving all 4 seniors a start. By the end of the year thoug, Eastern may work his way in. It's also possible that Ewing works his way in if Carsen struggles to improve on decision making or Haas struggles. Hammons got pulled for Haas when he was a freshman, so it isn't impossible. I expect Ewing and Eastern to get decent minutes, I am just very curious about Wheeler, Haarms, and Taylor. I would love to see a lineup of Eastern, Carsen, Mathias, Wheeler, and Ewing. Incredibly athletic and a lot of folks that can create off the dribble. Completely different team than last year. We will likely never ever see that lineup and that makes me sad panda. I don't think there is any chance at all Vince is knocked out of that starting lineup for extensive time unless he is injured. I also expect Haas will get a long leash as well. I think PJ/Carsen are the most likely to get pushed to sixth man.
 
I think that we have different definitions of what is meant by "true post". I would guess that the term, "post entry pass", was not used on this forum that entire season.

Tacos and Sandi got the ball in the post, at the least, a couple of times in nearly every game of their '11-'12 season. They just failed to convert it into points more often than they were successful. Hummel ended up being the best post-up scorer on that team.
 
Tacos and Sandi got the ball in the post, at the least, a couple of times in nearly every game of their '11-'12 season. They just failed to convert it into points more often than they were successful. Hummel ended up being the best post-up scorer on that team.
Again, we have different definitions of what "true post" means. In the context of my original post, it's a big difference between the two teams which has a major impact on how the offense runs.
 
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