Great atheletes on these teams. I say one, Edey, and he could not start for Connecticut, because he would mess up their flow.
How many players on Purdue could start for the final four teams?
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Tough to start a true freshman on a final four team, much less two. Caleb, Mason and Ethan could start so long as you needed them to be role players and not stars. The problem with this year's Purdue team is that they didn't have a consistent second option on offense. Yes, different guys would step up at different times but you didn't have a Cline compliment to Carsen's alpha or a clear 1,2,3 like the baby boilers.
Zach would start for anyone.
As somebody else said, he's literally a better version of Clingan. They just have 4 other guys that can shoot the 3.
Teams just don't start guys that average 3.8 points, 2.9 rebounds and 2.4 assists in 25 minutes a game. Or a guy who shoots 32% from the field, 27.7% from 3 and is a below average free throw shooter (66% career).
Is your theory that coaches primarily rely on per game stats when determining whether they want a player on their team or how to distribute minutes?
No.. They just don't play guys that can't score.
You see in basketball, the team that scores the most points wins the game. So if you have a guy playing significant minutes that can't score points, it hurts your chances of winning,
That's my theory.
Too many role players, not enough natural athletic scorers.
CMP continues to believe in guys like Mason Gillis, Ethan Morton and before that SS, Dakota & even PJT. Guys that can and did get you wins over average teams, and well scouted good teams they are used to playing, but absolutely get you nowhere in March over elite teams or even athletic teams they are not used to playing, as their scoring disappears.
And yes as those frosh get older, I hope they are more consistent scorers. But is Loyer athletic enough to be a dominant scorer when Rs key on him?? Don't think so. Might be a good 3rd option guy though. Trouble is who is the consistent 2nd option??
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Yep, They successfully used the transfer portal to make sure they had a deep team beyond their 3 core guys.
Don't think that is the philosophy here?
Morton isn't starting on any FF team. Or any E8 team....or any S16 team.
Morton is a Painter favorite because he's just like Painter was as a player. Probably spends a ton of time in the film room, probably talks to Painter a lot in 1 on 1 coaches office discussions, etc. But he is extremely limited athletically. He'd be much better off at the D2 level.
A good regular season coach, but bad in the post season.
Yeah I hate when Painter believes in guys like Dakota who were on the AllB1G defense team and 2nd team all conference shooting 40+% from 3. Really held us back from winning a lot of games
I clearly said Dakota won games. Against average teams and teams well scouted that he was used to....because he was smart team player with an incredible basketball iq..
But I also said too many of those average to non athletic guys leave you home in March....and that team had too many non athletic guys.
See the difference?
Sasha was won of the best shooters in the B1G almost his entire career. PJT wasn't great, but who on the roster was better? You are acting like Painter didn't try to get better players and/or stubbornly played PJ over Ja Morant or something.
Did i even respond to you? No. And Dakota played in the NBA... so he wasn't athletic?
That senior season was completely derailed by an injury, not a team that was just "too athletic". That TT team was pretty athletic, but they were also a really good team who got to play a Purdue team who didn't have their key offensive piece.
No that is because he just recruited good solid guys that fit his system. But while doing so, failed to recruit enough elite athletiscm.
Just like he made it a priority to recruit shooters, and did that well.....one can also make it a priority to recruit athletes which other than CE, Ivey and a couple of others, has not been his priority.
There needs to be a balance and hasn't been....thus the March losses.
Well enough to get in ..And if your under a ten seed.
You can win it all...Conference championship much more meaningless in today's game..
Hurley has done a nice job of reinventing himself at UConn. He used to be a maniac on the sidelines and he realized and has admitted it was a distraction to his teams. He's much more under control now and has established himself as one of the best coaches in the country. He has it rolling there now and they should be solid for years to come.
non-athletic guy= high basketball IQ.
We always hear about this high bb IQ guys on the roster...sure hasn't translated into success in March.
Don’t forget post “entry passing”, I was assured that’s an extremely important skill to possess.
On Painters criteria list for a play, entry passing is probably much higher than "ability to create own shot"
Sorry, forgot who you were, I shouldn't have taken the bait and acknowledged your response. I have no desire to try to educate on the fact that scoring more points than your opponent involves both offense and defense or on things like usage rate. Keep looking at ppg.
-- Yes you did respond to me.
Dakota had just enough athletiscm to sit at the end of an NBA bench for a brief cup of coffee.
But mainly thanks for keeping track of excuses as to why CMP lost to another lower seeded team in March. Happens so often we get confused as to the "proper reason" he lost in a given year. Thanks for straightening us out. LOL 😀
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His criteria often works..... just so long as he is overly familiar with opposition via over scouting and playing them often repetitively.
March....not so much.
And I would actually even argue that Dakota being on a roster had absolutely nothing to do with his athleticism, but his shooting ability and also due to how nba offenses are run today.
Looking at the wrong post that responded to clankham or whomever.
Making an NBA roster requires a certain level of athleticism that is more than enough to constitute an "athletic" player in college. I'm not making excuses, the 2017 team with PJ/Dakota didn't get beat because they lacked athleticism. They were athletic at 4 of 5 positions against TT. PJ was the worst athlete for Purdue.
I get you're hurt personally by Matt Painter, but it would behoove you most likely to just stop posting. You are worse than a woman.
Carsen Edwards, and Jaden Ivey were on our team for 4 of our last 5 tourney's. If having NBA talent and quickness got you a final four then last years team would have gone there. We had at least 3 NBA draft picks on our roster.....
This year we are getting another fast shot creator in Colvin, and supposedly Heide is super athletic as well. This year was supposed to be a rebuild year as we lost most of our offensive production from the year before. We literally lost every starter from a top 5 team, and somehow became a top 5 team again.
Choking in the Tourney the last few years has been brutal, but I don't see how that is from roster construction with arguably the best talent we have had in decades on our roster during that time. Maybe the baby boilers were more talented but it's not by much if they were.
Again this year we had 5 new starters, two of which were true freshmen. 4 of those 5 absolutely choked in the tourney but man did they exceed every expectation that was in front of them at the beginning of the season. Coach gets plenty of the blame for not having the guys ready for the big dance, but I'm not sure how you coach clanking 21 wide open 3's off the rim when the entire rest of the season at least 1/3 of those go down. These weren't contested shots, they were wide open warmup type shots.......
This year we are getting another fast shot creator in Colvin, and supposedly Heide is super athletic as well. This year was supposed to be a rebuild year as we lost most of our offensive production from the year before. We literally lost every starter from a top 5 team, and somehow became a top 5 team again.
Choking in the Tourney the last few years has been brutal, but I don't see how that is from roster construction with arguably the best talent we have had in decades on our roster during that time. Maybe the baby boilers were more talented but it's not by much if they were.
Again this year we had 5 new starters, two of which were true freshmen. 4 of those 5 absolutely choked in the tourney but man did they exceed every expectation that was in front of them at the beginning of the season. Coach gets plenty of the blame for not having the guys ready for the big dance, but I'm not sure how you coach clanking 21 wide open 3's off the rim when the entire rest of the season at least 1/3 of those go down. These weren't contested shots, they were wide open warmup type shots.......
All of the FF teams had more than one guy who could consistently get and make their own shot. Purdue normally has one or zero. Hell, most have a guy off the bench who can do so,
With the unique abilities of Edey, maybe having one guy who can do so will be enough. Plus, when his outside shot is falling, the space that creates can help Loyer get to the hoop and finish.
With the unique abilities of Edey, maybe having one guy who can do so will be enough. Plus, when his outside shot is falling, the space that creates can help Loyer get to the hoop and finish.
You think they would have been good in the NCAA if they had to play a big ten schedule?
"Worse than a woman"? Men are empowered to make dumb posts too. Look no further than this board.
Have an issue with women?
Check my posting history. You are as far off base here about my opinion about CMP as you are off on how athletic Purdue was/is. Not a good day for you.
And for all my lady friends out there, shame on you.
Big east was just as tough if not better than the B1G this year. UConn would have won the B1G this year. I would love to have UConn in the B1G. Maybe it would force some of coaches to step up their game. UConn would have dominated our conference this year.
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