How many losses will it take
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How many wins will it take to keep the coach and make fans like you happy?
My guess is, "not enough".
You defending the staff? Think they have given you a reason to trust them?
Who knows! I would have though that a record of 4-20 being worse than this
guy's first 2 years record ( 3-7-1 & 4-7) would have been enough. Seriously he had twice the wins and ties and only 70% of the losses, and I thought that he would forever be the low mark of modern Boilermaker Football history. Somewhere I think there is a smoking gun memo directing Burke from the BOT or elsewhere to make an Affirmative Action hire. Nothing else makes sense in hiring Haz for the amount of $$ and length of contract. The results have proven this out, and poor ole Fred had to do without the incoming star QB who transferred out when he learned Fred was taking over. Yeah the cupboard is bare of talent argument.
"Fans like you"? Really? You mean people who object to spending hundreds of dollars, and entire Saturdays, to watch bad, boring, uninspired football, year after year after year, with no hope in sight? If you are ready to cut bait with all of those folks, you will have about 250 real "fans" left, and you can move the games to the soccer or IM fields.
Purdue won't win another game this year with their present offense, QB, terrible receivers and defense continuously allowing receivers to get open and catch the ball, while they stand and watch, or for a missed assignment! Better do something different or no more wins this season.
We need to get rid of those options on every run. If we lined up with the QB over center I think Jones would have some really nice runs. Plus we could run some effective play action passes.
Jones is a really good running back, feel bad for him, to be on a team with the type of offense they are running!
It will be hard to justify continuing without a bowl game. Especially considering there isn't some influx of young talent, a great recruiting class or anything. There's nothing positive surrounding this program to "hold out" for.
No... no, I'm not. I'm just really tired of the nonsensical BS and the default negativity. People don't have to be all sunshine and happy faces, but long ago I grew tired of these threads.
Some of the threads are comical but it's just people venting because they are tired of losing. I think there is nothing wrong with that.
Why would you say that? Danny Hope was fired after 3 seasons - and he went to 2 bowl games. What's different?
If things were fine on the money side, maybe. But Purdue's getting killed right now from (lack of) ticket sales.
As I mentioned, it'd be one thing if you could point at something and say look, things will be good because of ________. This could be that we have an exceptionally young team. This could be we have had some good young talent come in, but is just not fully developed. This could be that we have a great recruiting class in the wings. This could be that the (offense or defense) is coming together and could be dangerous next year.
As of right now, there isn't any of that. That doesn't mean it couldn't change, but right now it doesn't exist.
Even if we end up with 4 wins, that will not ignite a fan base. Even if one of them is against a good team. In Danny Hope's last year, we barely lost to ND, we beat Iowa on the road, went to OT at Ohio State, went to a bowl game…and he still got canned.
I'm not sure why 4 wins becomes acceptable in a 3rd year.
The question is how long will Daniels let this embarrassment of Purdue football continue.
And in year 3 the current staff has a total of 2 FBS wins.
TWO. This program is ten steps down from where it was with Danny Hope.
We can no longer use the excuse that it's the former coaches fault. We can longer believe we can line up and play the game the same as an OSU or Michigan. We are not getting this kids that can play that way.
The demise of this program was when we hired Danny Hope....not when we fired him.
It's ignorant to believe otherwise. He squandered a really talented team his first year, hid behind injuries his 2nd and limped to a bowl in years 3 and 4 while the BIG conference as a whole around him was the weakest it had been, probably ever.
But hey, let's celebrate those 6-6 toilet bowl seasons instead of trying to figure out how we move past where we are now!
I for one will celebrate those 6-6 bowl seasons and I've figured out how to move past where we are right now and that's fire CDH. He hasn't accomplished one thing in 27 games, not one! Some people just aren't head coach material and he is one of them.
Lol 6-6 would be a miracle for this staff.
4-8
6-6
9-4
8-5
7-6
6-7
10-3
5-7
5-7
Would you take this coach??
I don't think you're comprehending what I am saying. The current staff is not the answer. The former staff was not the answer either. 6-6 is not a successful season. 1-11 and 3-9 aren't successful seasons. We needed to move on in 2012 and we need to move on now.
To argue that Hope was building something is moronic. It was clear he WASNT raising the talent level and it was time to move on. Hazell wasn't the right choice, but keeping Hope wasn't going to move the program forward either.
I know where you are going with that....and its so out of context, and order that its not worth responding to. I don't think a middling FCS coach deserved a HC gig at Purdue. Hazell hasn't turned out as well...but he was easily more qualified. Doesn't mean he will or would be successful.
At this point, I couldn't tell you what coach WOULD be successful here. IMO though, whoever the coach is needs to run an Air Raid, pass based offense that is more worried about scoring every play than time of possession and grinding out games like our last 2 coaches have tried. While I think our D is better than it has shown (due to being on the field basically the entire VT game) it's not good enough to consistently stop good P5 teams. What it is good enough to do is put the offense back on the field in occasional decent situations. The strategy of this coach and his staff is all mucked up and doomed us from the start.
Hope's weakness is that he was so scared of injuries, we stopped tackling and our gameday tackling and tackle avoidance became abysmal.
That was Fitzgerald at NW. I would take that in a heartbeat.
Honestly this isn't about Hope. But this mess can no longer be attribute to him.
DH wasn't even the first choice was he?
Honestly this isn't about Hope. But this mess can no longer be attribute to him.
DH wasn't even the first choice was he?
Fitzgerald is a good coach. Likely to win the west this year IMO. We would of course hire him.
A lot of guys that weren't going to come here.
Dave Doeren (from NIU, now NC State) and Butch Jones (from CMU and Cincy, now Tennessee) where #1 and #2 on the list. Doeren was hired by NCSU before we fired Hope and Jones came to campus, met with the AD and left unimpressed. Hazell was really the only other option at that point.
IMO, if Doeren had been hired we would still be struggling. Not as bad as now, but we wouldn't have a winning football team IMO. IF we would have hired Jones, I think the program would be looking at 6-6 or slightly better this year. I don't think either of them are home run coaches but definitely better than what we have now.
It`s going to take more than just voicing your opinion on this board. Fans have to boycott the games and donors must come forward and tell the pres. and the b.o.t. that they won`t support the program until the a.d. is fired and a new coach is hired.
I'm pretty sure we could lose the rest of the games and he would still be here next year due to the buy out and how our athletic department spends money. I have liked Hazel, but even I am starting to get impatient. Other coaches have started out slow and been able to right the ship. If we lose this weekend, 100% Shoop will be demoted.
Does anyone else not like the amount of emphasis he put on the Marshall game with the "all eggs in a basket" gimmick? And then all the talk about VT being our "signature win"? It seems to be thinking too much just to be let down after a loss.
IF we can win again Bowling Green (I know they are good, watched most of the MD game), Minnesota is winnable. Getting a moral victory at MSU, and our half season outlook could be an improved 3-3. Nothing from Saturday makes me believe this will happen but it would show progress.
Does anyone else not like the amount of emphasis he put on the Marshall game with the "all eggs in a basket" gimmick? And then all the talk about VT being our "signature win"? It seems to be thinking too much just to be let down after a loss.
IF we can win again Bowling Green (I know they are good, watched most of the MD game), Minnesota is winnable. Getting a moral victory at MSU, and our half season outlook could be an improved 3-3. Nothing from Saturday makes me believe this will happen but it would show progress.
I hear you. I am not going to anymore Purdue football games until there is change.
I don't know about "insider information" but the short lists that were out there for the Purdue job didn't include Hazell until later on the in the process after a couple others were off the board. I think it's safe to say he wasn't one of the top choices initially - but doesn't mean he wasn't on the radar at all.
