And yet here you are again, posting in multiple threads on a Purdue board about Purdue... and me. LOL!
How big a breakthrough have we made on recruiting?
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And yet here you are again, posting in multiple threads on a Purdue board about Purdue... and me. LOL!
No he didn't. Doing something that hasn't been done "in ages" is, in fact, the definition of breakthrough. So you and he can both take your lack of a point elsewhere while we discuss the points raised by the OP. Going to another team's board at all is bizarre enough. Going there and telling them how to think about their program is antisocial and borderline psychotic.
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I love how people come here and try to show us how intelligent they are and then they aren't even smart enough to use the quote option.
I love how people come here and try to show us how intelligent they are and then they aren't even smart enough to use the quote option.
Why do you care if Purdue fans think that Painter's recruiting has improved since 2011? This discussion has nothing to do with MSU.
Better yet, why does he think we care about what he thinks about it?
I recommend you ignore 340 for the most part. He is a troll with little or no basketball knowledge. In fact, I doubt he is really an MSU fan, given the insecurities and poor posting etiquette he displays. I would not be surprised if we found out he was an IU fan on here simply to cause us to think ill of MSU.
I have every right to my own opinion. I don't agree with the OP saying Purdue had a "breakthrough" in recruiting. It seems to me like you have insecurity issues and feel the need to verbally attack me because I have opposing viewpoints regarding the OP's post. I stand by my thoughts that if Purdue doesn't start keeping players like Branden Dawson, Mike Conley Jr, Zach Randolph, Glenn Robinson III, Gary Harris and Jeff Teague from leaving the state of Indiana to play their college ball, they will never reach "breakthrough" status in recruiting. You have to protect your home turf in the recruiting game. IMO Purdue has not done that very well. Too many elite home grown basketball players have chosen not to play for Painter and Purdue. Until that changes and Purdue starts consistently making deep runs in the NCAA tournament on a regular basis, the "breakthrough" in recruiting is just a pipe dream. Again, like I stated in my previous post, let's wait and see how Purdue's 2016 and especially 2017 recruiting classes turn out before you guys start talking about a "breakthrough." Ok?
You didn't answer my question. Why do you care? Does losing out on Swanigan bother you that much?
I have forgotten more about basketball than most who post on here think they know. Go read my posts on the MSU rivals board, if you stupidly think I am not an MSU fan.
Honestly, all kidding, badmouthing and stuff aside, you guys are the most insecure bunch of any conference board I post on. And I have posted on many for years. Your are WAY worse than Wisky fans.
It's truly the mark( I think) of playing third and fourth fiddle to other Indiana schools, who frankly have all been more revelant lately, IU( admittedly barely) Butler with two Final Fours, and Notre dame, who with an E8 appearance last year eclipsed anything you have done in a long while.
Hey, I guess there is always Valpo and IPFW though........
Somebody comes on your board from another school( it seems to shock you people that B1G fans actually do that) and makes unbiased statements and you freak out. Truly think it's indeed little man syndrome, can't think of another reason. Take it as a compliment others, like me, are interested in recent developments in your program and drop by. I didn't start the name calling.
I have actually always liked Purdue, great academic school and loved Keady and think Matt's teams play extremely hard nosed consistently.
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Counterpoint.. we'll talk about whatever the **** we want to talk about on our board, shitstain.
Now I really think I hate him!
Let me point out the irony in your post:
"I have every right to my own opinion. I don't agree with the OP saying Purdue had a "breakthrough" in recruiting. It seems to me like you have insecurity issues and feel the need to verbally attack me because I have opposing viewpoints regarding the OP's post."
So... why the hell are you over here attacking the OP? Are you really that insecure that you must challenge somebody's opinion on their own board? I agree with your statement about getting the best Inidiana talent. THat is why there is a second bit of irony/error in your post:
"Too many elite home grown basketball players have chosen not to play for Painter and Purdue."
So this year Purdue got the 2 best players in Indiana. Maybe that's the friggin breakthrough the OP was talkiing about? You think? Jebus but you seem dense about this post. A poster talks about this being a breakthrough (change) and you want to challenge based on past history? Do you understand what is meant by a breakthrough?
As a matter of fact, Indiana produces so much high school basketball talent, that none of the home state schools can keep all that talent home. So we are going to lose some to near-by schools. Doesn't mean our recruiting is not improving.
Listen and you listen good mathboy!! One decent year in recruiting is not a "breakthrough." Purdue picked up a very good player in Swanigan after he decommitted from MSU. Purdue wasn't even his first choice. Ryan Cline is going to be a good role player who is basically a top 150ish recruit ranked #141 by Rivals and #157 by 247 sports. Mathboy, you incorrectly stated Purdue got the 2 best players in Indiana from the 2015 recruiting class. Get your facts straight! Even though Cline finished runner-up for Mr. Basketball, he is not rated the 2nd best player in the state of Indiana in the 2015 class. Jalen Coleman-Lands (Fighting Illini commit) was hands down recognized nationally as the 2nd best player in Indiana behind Swanigan. There is not one single national recruiting website who had Cline rated higher than Coleman-Lands. If Purdue LANDS, no pun intended, top rated basketball recruiting classes in 2016 and 2017 maybe then you can start to even utter the word "breakthrough" in regards to a recruiting uptick. Again, 1 good year in recruiting doesn't constitute a "breakthough." Ok?
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The Mr Basketball is a popular/media type voting and generally the best players migrate to the top of this voting. The Rivals list is also a voting process, admitted by more knowledgable voters, but it an opinion never the less. I choose which I wanted to use in my response. I didn't ask you you. IT IS A SUBJECTIVE RANKING, RIGHT?
Why is this so important to you? Why do you think you need to police this board? Why would anyone use the "Listen and you listen good mathboy!!" approach unless it wasintended as TIC. Be careful who and why you attack someone. I think you are about as far off base as you can get here. Remember, the OP asked "Have we had a breadkthrough?" Not "We had a breakthrough". Your position on this issue is not far from what the OP said. You are just being an asshole over semantics.
The Mr Basketball is a popular/media type voting and generally the best players migrate to the top of this voting. The Rivals list is also a voting process, admitted by more knowledgable voters, but it an opinion never the less. I choose which I wanted to use in my response. I didn't ask you you. IT IS A SUBJECTIVE RANKING, RIGHT?
Why is this so important to you? Why do you think you need to police this board? Why would anyone use the "Listen and you listen good mathboy!!" approach unless it wasintended as TIC. Be careful who and why you attack someone. I think you are about as far off base as you can get here. Remember, the OP asked "Have we had a breadkthrough?" Not "We had a breakthrough". Your position on this issue is not far from what the OP said. You are just being an asshole over semantics.
I did not attack you mathboy. I've been the victim of baseless verbal attacks by some of the posters on this board for my personal opinions, which I feel I'm entitled to. Maybe I came at you a little strong with the "Listen and you listen good mathboy" comment. But if anybody has been attacked on this board, its been me. I've been childishly called names, sworn at and insulted by some of the posters on this board. Maybe some of those people should "Be careful who and why they attack someone."
Cline is considered one of the top shooters in the entire nation in his class. Some scouts on ESPN said he was the best in the nation. BTW, isn't Jalen Coleman-Lands out for the entire season with a knee injury?
I read your response to the OP as putting words in the OP's mouth and then mocking him for those words, which is why I assumed that you were just trolling. I'm sure that everyone (except 340) read your post the same way as I did, which is why it is comical to see you now playing the victim card.
That said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and discuss the topic on its merits. What you need to appreciate is the Purdue fan base was pretty divided prior to Swanigan committing. Most Purdue fans were really happy with the talent that Painter had assembled in the 2012-2014 classes. Painter had taken a lot of heat for the talent that he had landed in the four classes following the Baby Boilers and also for the number of players who just appeared to be poor fits for Purdue. I think that the entire fan base was happy with the 2014 class, which consisted of what most of us felt were both talented and good program fits. However, we continually heard from a portion of the Purdue fan base that Painter would never land a five star and would never beat out coaches like Izzo and Matta for players. When Swanigan flipped to Purdue, it surprised the Purdue fan base as much as it did the MSU fan base. Thus, given that so many fans thought it would never happen, it is undeniably viewed as a breakthrough, especially since it was against MSU.
Now, a quick review of the Purdue roster reveals by far the most talent that Painter has had to work with since the Baby Boilers and it isn't just Swanigan. DraftExpress recently ranked the top 20 NBA prospects in the Big Ten and Purdue had 4 (which is double that of MSU, an elite program and Purdue recruiting nemesis). Using 2007-2011 as the benchmark, recruiting has undeniably improved. No extra data is needed. Four years is enough to have this conversation. The OP's very legitimate question is why?
Yes, you did come on too strong. In fact, you came on like an asshole. You should feel lucky that MSU has had a successful basketball program and act with more humility toward others. I recommend that you act more like a man and less like a child in these discussions.
As for being attacked, go to any board and pretend that supporting a successful program gives you some kind of privileged right to criticize optimism on the other team's board and you will be greeted with much less civility than you have been here. People have actually considered your points and discussed them on this board.
Now, you are just being contrary and making a fool of yourself playing the victim. That's laughable considering the contrary positions you have written in this thread. You know that people use you as an example of the jerks MSU fans have become because of a little recent success, right? Remember, Purdue owns the all time record against MSU, and that is not going to change any time soon.
In fact, I think we add another V or two to the count this year. Won't that be a shock?
One has to wonder, if you feel so attacked on this board, why do you continue to come here? Who goes into someone else's home, belittles their opinions, and then whines that they don't feel welcome?
Yes, you did come on too strong. In fact, you came on like an asshole. You should feel lucky that MSU has had a successful basketball program and act with more humility toward others. I recommend that you act more like a man and less like a child in these discussions.
As for being attacked, go to any board and pretend that supporting a successful program gives you some kind of privileged right to criticize optimism on the other team's board and you will be greeted with much less civility than you have been here. People have actually considered your points and discussed them on this board.
Now, you are just being contrary and making a fool of yourself playing the victim. That's laughable considering the contrary positions you have written in this thread. You know that people use you as an example of the jerks MSU fans have become because of a little recent success, right? Remember, Purdue owns the all time record against MSU, and that is not going to change any time soon.
In fact, I think we add another V or two to the count this year. Won't that be a shock?
I'm not going to resort to name calling like you mathboy. You are the one acting like a child and not like a man. I merely stated I came on a little strong with my tone in my reply to you, but I vehemently stand by every point I made in my post. If you have a problem with that, I don't really care one iota. As for playing the victim card, nothing can be further from the truth. It is a FACT that I have been slandered, maligned and called names on this board. But I won't stoop to the level of others. Mathboy, you said that "Purdue owns the all time record against MSU, and that is not going to change any time soon." I'm glad that you brought that up in the discussion. That's the same thing a lot of University of Michigan football fans used to say about MSU in regards to the football rivalry, up until #6 ranked MSU started owning #16 ranked U of M in football this past decade with an 7-1 record against them. I don't care that Purdue has more wins against MSU all time in the series. It really doesn't concern me because most of Purdue's victories over MSU occured when both teams were shooting basketballs through peach baskets. Just joking about the peach baskets, but you get my point. "What have you done for me lately?" is my motto and MSU has beaten Purdue like a drum in basketball for the past decade. I for one, do not see that changing anytime soon. I can't wait until MSU and Purdue match up on February 9th at Mackey. Hey mathboy, if MSU beats Purdue, don't go and crawl up under a rock and hide. Take it like a man and admit MSU was the better team. If Purdue beats MSU, I won't run and hide. I'm gracious in defeat and victory.
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It is not a fact that you have been slandered. That is impossible to do on a message board in which your identity has been kept secret. I think you looking more along the lines of Fair Comment.
You are dumbing things down a bit. First off, having a class like the "Baby Boilers" is great and also horrible at the same time. You had 3 guys coming in at the same time, playing 3 different positions, staying all 4 years. Yes, there was talk of Johnson leaving early, but it was nothing more than hype and not reality. But think about it, how on earth do you recruit in that situation? There wasn't a lot of PT to go around.
Also, we have had other good recruits that you're just ignoring. Between 2008 - 2012 - the time you said we couldn't recruit - we had 6 four star recruits.
Lewis Jackson was very similar to a Vince Edwards in terms of recruiting stock (3 star) - he had offers from Illinois, IU and other major programs and was a fringe 3/4 star recruit. That was literally the year after the "Baby Boilers" class. So again, that's 4 starters penciled in for 3 years. Tough to recruit.
DJ Byrd was a 4 star recruit 2 years after the Baby Boilers that had offers from IU, Notre Dame, Xavier, etc.
Anthony Johnson was a 4 star recruit with offers from Illinois, Iowa, Marquette and Ohio State.
Terone Johnson was a 4 star recruit ranked 51st in the country.
Raphael Davis was a 4 star recruit. Ronnie Johnson was a 4 star recruit.
It wasn't that the team lacked talent. Some of these guys did not pan out (as some recruits do), some guys turned out not to be great teammates (as some players do).
Could we have done better? Sure. But to act like our recruiting was in the dumps is not really accurate.
Oh yeah?!!! Well, you're just a stoopid doo-doo head crybaby!
So sue me. But you have to prove in court that I'm wrong. Any jury that reads your posts will agree with me.
First: I did not call you any names. I compared your behavior to something foul, and I stand by that assessment. You are probably a good guy, and we could enjoy an adult beverage with each other sometime. However, your conduct here has been questionable.
Second: You still have not addressed the primary issue here. Why did you feel the need to lecture us about MSU in a thread that asked about Purdue’s recruiting, on the Purdue board? The OP was "Has Purdue made a breakthrough?" Well, most of us were cautiously optimistic, but you still felt the need to quash any optimism. Do you really believe that MSU’s recent success somehow imbues you with the right to come over here and correct us? It’s no wonder you feel abused. You should be. You have been arrogant and condescending.
In case you've conveniently forgetten, here is your first post on this thread:
"Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed."
Third: Use the return key to make paragraphs. It's difficult to separate your response from that of a fourth-grader on a sugar and energy drink buzz without some sort of organization. "Block-o-Text" is hard to read. Paragraphs helps your readers comprehend what you are trying to post, regardless of it intrinsic value, or lack there of.
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This has gotten way off topic. Back to the original intent, I think Painter has improved due mainly to his personal life becoming more stable. More pay for assistants, facility upgrades and a higher recruiting budget certainly help too. I have been a big critic of CMP in the past, especially with the terrible 2008-2011 classes and poor on the court play that ensued once the big 3 were gone. Sure, there was some talent but they never came together because of mediocre coaching or divas or whatever you want to blame. Thus after RH left, we were terrible back to back years. The 12 class could have been better if we could have kept and developed RJ, but for one reason or another, it didn't work out. That said, RD and AJH have been solid, especially as upperclassmen, the 13 class is "meh" and could be much better depending on if KS takes the next step (I thought he was destined to be great... he still has every opportunity), the 14 class was very good with Edwards, Haas and Mathias (jury still out on PJ and Taylor, who I hope can be solid 6th man type contributors for much of their career) and the 15 class added our most talented recruit since 2007 in Biggie, and we all know Cline can shoot.
CMP has stepped his recruiting up in 12-15 compared to 08-11. No doubt about that. Now we need to see it translate onto the court (this team has the talent to be a top 15 team this year) and in ongoing recruiting (one 3 star in 16 is an ok place to be right now, but we need to keep the right talent coming in year in and year out). It sure seemed like Matt could coach and recruit when he landed JJ, Moore and RH, but that changed pretty quickly once those guys were gone and the recruiting and play fell apart. I think he can sustain this recent boost, but I want to see it materialize first. Just my 2 cents.
CMP has stepped his recruiting up in 12-15 compared to 08-11. No doubt about that. Now we need to see it translate onto the court (this team has the talent to be a top 15 team this year) and in ongoing recruiting (one 3 star in 16 is an ok place to be right now, but we need to keep the right talent coming in year in and year out). It sure seemed like Matt could coach and recruit when he landed JJ, Moore and RH, but that changed pretty quickly once those guys were gone and the recruiting and play fell apart. I think he can sustain this recent boost, but I want to see it materialize first. Just my 2 cents.
Like you, am cautiously optimistic. We have a way to go bfore we can declair this past year to be any sort of a "breakthrough".
2015: Biggie Hill and Cline - great class
2014: Haas, Mathias, Edwards Thmpson, Octius - great class
2013: Stephens & Smotherman - Pretty good class
2012: Davs & Hammons -great class- Pretty good class
2014: Haas, Mathias, Edwards Thmpson, Octius - great class
2013: Stephens & Smotherman - Pretty good class
2012: Davs & Hammons -great class- Pretty good class
I would say we are trendig upwards, anyway you measure it. We don't need a terrifc 2016 class if we get a great 2017 class.
Still butthurt about Swanigan I see. Just because he mistakenly fell for whatever crap Izzo pitched him, then realized he had been hoodwinked into a situation that wasn't good for him, you think you were his "first choice"? Sorry, but the school he signed with was the one he wanted to be at, so the rest is semantics. As for Coleman vs Cline, most Purdue fans are happy with getting Cline, and he is a good fit for our program. It's not just about recruiting ranking, but also fit...knowing that might help you understand why you didn't get Biggie.
