How big a breakthrough have we made on recruiting?

[SnowLeopard]

Painter has always been a good coach, and his teams play hard.

But since the Baby Boilers, he has blanked on recruiting until Davis and AJ Hammons

Now that Purdue has finally broken through to another level on recruiting - will we stay at that higher level? To what do you attribute the breakthrough?

- bigger recruiting budget?

- better recruiting assistants?

- current players like Davis having the leadership to sell recruits on Purdue's playing culture?

- more stable family life for Painter so he can better focus on his job?

Look at who Painter beat out for recruits in the last three classes, in comparison to the five year stretch after Baby Boilers.


2015.

Swanigan – Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Arizona

Hill – Illinois


2014

Edwards – Michigan, Vanderbilt, Xavier, West Virginia

Haas – Wake Forest, UCLA, Stanford, Texas, Virginia

Mathias – Boston College, West Virginia

Taylor - Maryland, Boston University, St. Joseph

Thompson – NA


2013

Smotherman – IU, Illinois, Notre Dame, Xavier

Stephens – Wisconsin, Illinois

 

[QuadBoiler2014]

Painter has always been a good coach, and his teams play hard.

But since the Baby Boilers, he has blanked on recruiting until Davis and AJ Hammons

Now that Purdue has finally broken through to another level on recruiting - will we stay at that higher level? To what do you attribute the breakthrough?

- bigger recruiting budget?

- better recruiting assistants?

- current players like Davis having the leadership to sell recruits on Purdue's playing culture?

- more stable family life for Painter so he can better focus on his job?

Look at who Painter beat out for recruits in the last three classes, in comparison to the five year stretch after Baby Boilers.


2015.

Swanigan – Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Arizona

Hill – Illinois


2014

Edwards – Michigan, Vanderbilt, Xavier, West Virginia

Haas – Wake Forest, UCLA, Stanford, Texas, Virginia

Mathias – Boston College, West Virginia

Taylor - Maryland, Boston University, St. Joseph

Thompson – NA


2013

Smotherman – IU, Illinois, Notre Dame, Xavier

Stephens – Wisconsin, Illinois

Until Purdue shows it can win and win big, like go to final 4s and regularly go deep in the tourney and win B1G titles often under Painter, I don't think much will change.

Keady got some 5 stars and MCDAA but never got in among the elite in recruiting. He has even said that on a head to head basis, he would rarely beat IU for recruits. Keady was never able to do great in the toruney and our recruiting stayed about the same as it always has been.

We have to get good recruits and win big, until then I don't see much changing.

BTW, Painter recruited just fine after the baby boilers. 2011 was a real bad year I have to admit, but other than that the players he got did great IMO.

Lewis Jackson
Ryne Smith
DJ Byrd
Terone Johnson

Those 4 were program top 25 players in one category or another and the other players he got were good role players and a lot of them were very highly regarded. 2012 and on he has brought in a lot of great players as well.

Ray Davis
AJ Hammons
Kendall Stephens
Vince Edwards
Isaac Haas
Dakota Mathias
Caleb Swanigan
Ryan Cline

RJ and Bryson were also highly regarded kids in HS and are good players but just didn't work out.

 

[I Am The 1 And Only]

Painter has always been a good coach, and his teams play hard.

But since the Baby Boilers, he has blanked on recruiting until Davis and AJ Hammons

Now that Purdue has finally broken through to another level on recruiting - will we stay at that higher level? To what do you attribute the breakthrough?

- bigger recruiting budget?

- better recruiting assistants?

- current players like Davis having the leadership to sell recruits on Purdue's playing culture?

- more stable family life for Painter so he can better focus on his job?

Look at who Painter beat out for recruits in the last three classes, in comparison to the five year stretch after Baby Boilers.


2015.

Swanigan – Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Arizona

Hill – Illinois


2014

Edwards – Michigan, Vanderbilt, Xavier, West Virginia

Haas – Wake Forest, UCLA, Stanford, Texas, Virginia

Mathias – Boston College, West Virginia

Taylor - Maryland, Boston University, St. Joseph

Thompson – NA


2013

Smotherman – IU, Illinois, Notre Dame, Xavier

Stephens – Wisconsin, Illinois

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed.

You are reading far too much into the OP's post. He's asking good questions.

 

[Chuchumutha]

Jury is still out. Painter has picked it up nicely since 2012 and I do think the budget and coaching consistency has a lot to do with it. That, and I think Painter has learned what type of student athlete he should be targeting to fit his philosophy and system. However, I disagree that 2008 thru 2011 was "just fine". Overall, the talent was substandard and the rated recruits he did secure, were not great fits. 2016/17 will define if we will be top 20 consistently or experience another lull. IMO, Painter and his staff have improved and will continue the recruiting success that has been established recently.

 

[QuadBoiler2014]

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed.

Please, no one respond to this vitriol. Please focus on the OPs original question and don't fall for this bait.

 

[QuadBoiler2014]

Jury is still out. Painter has picked it up nicely since 2012 and I do think the budget and coaching consistency has a lot to do with it. That, and I think Painter has learned what type of student athlete he should be targeting to fit his philosophy and system. However, I disagree that 2008 thru 2011 was "just fine". Overall, the talent was substandard and the rated recruits he did secure, were not great fits. 2016/17 will define if we will be top 20 consistently or experience another lull. IMO, Painter and his staff have improved and will continue the recruiting success that has been established recently.

If you weren't happy with Terone Johnson, Smith, LewJack, and DJ I don't what you would be happy with. 2007 was an incredible recruiting hull, that may not happen ever again. 2011 was just terrible, no way around that.

Never bought in that 2016 needed to be anything special. We needed 1 position and we got it. Anything else will just be gravy.

Besides PG, there is no real opening in a starting role and hardly any other options for a major contributor role unless they are the top of the top rated recruits, and even then it's barely a given.

2017 might be huge. Depends on who stays and who else we get in 2016.

 

[grego69]

mr. I am the 1 and only. nobody wants you here just go away. I come to read above my team everyday. and every day I have to read about you bitching about this and bitching about that. so just go away

 

[purdue4sure]

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed.

Illiterate and obsessed is no way to go through life, young hillbilly.

 

[purdue4sure]

If you weren't happy with Terone Johnson, Smith, LewJack, and DJ I don't what you would be happy with. 2007 was an incredible recruiting hull, that may not happen ever again. 2011 was just terrible, no way around that.

Never bought in that 2016 needed to be anything special. We needed 1 position and we got it. Anything else will just be gravy.

Besides PG, there is no real opening in a starting role and hardly any other options for a major contributor role unless they are the top of the top rated recruits, and even then it's barely a given.

2017 might be huge. Depends on who stays and who else we get in 2016.

Yep. TJ, DJ, and yes, RJ were all top 100 players. They may not have been game changers, but they were highly rated players.

 

[QuadBoiler2014]

Yep. TJ, DJ, and yes, RJ were all top 100 players. They may not have been game changers, but they were highly rated players.

Actually, DJ was not. He was a composite #110. Painter has landed 12 consensus top 100 players. 4 of them transferred after 1 or 2 years. 5 of them are still on the team.

 

[Cevol03]

I think its clear that the facilities HAVE made an impact

 

[champ1]

I think Purdue's recruiting has picked up and the fans should be excited. Players like Hammons, Haas, Edwards, Swanigan and Davis are big time players. Sprinkle in Mathias, Stephens, Cline and Taylor and I would call that very good recruiting. Yes, I'm an IU guy, but a big Painter guy as well, as we go back a ways.
Purdue needs to stick with the tough bad ass players that bleed their culture and sprinkle in some top 50 kids and an occasional 5* to keep Purdue where they belong in the college basketball world. To me, that's a recipe for huge success and a potential final four and national championship some day.

Painter is the guy and you should feel lucky to have him.

 

[jadeezra]

Brantley... That is all

 

[Cevol03]

which signees has Brantley been involved with?

 

[burbo]

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages after he decommits from MSU and you're calling it a breakthrough. If you believe you're going to be going toe to toe every year winning recruiting battles against Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Kansas and Arizona, I think you are going to be highly disappointed.

The OP meant legal and ethical recruiting. I can see why you were confused.

 

[cdfunk1]

Painter has always been a good coach, and his teams play hard.

But since the Baby Boilers, he has blanked on recruiting until Davis and AJ Hammons

Now that Purdue has finally broken through to another level on recruiting - will we stay at that higher level? To what do you attribute the breakthrough?

- bigger recruiting budget?

- better recruiting assistants?

- current players like Davis having the leadership to sell recruits on Purdue's playing culture?

- more stable family life for Painter so he can better focus on his job?

Look at who Painter beat out for recruits in the last three classes, in comparison to the five year stretch after Baby Boilers.


2015.

Swanigan – Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Arizona

Hill – Illinois


2014

Edwards – Michigan, Vanderbilt, Xavier, West Virginia

Haas – Wake Forest, UCLA, Stanford, Texas, Virginia

Mathias – Boston College, West Virginia

Taylor - Maryland, Boston University, St. Joseph

Thompson – NA


2013

Smotherman – IU, Illinois, Notre Dame, Xavier

Stephens – Wisconsin, Illinois

 

[cdfunk1]

Obviously getting Caleb Swanigan was huge and my hat goes off to Matt Painter. However, I think it's a little naive to think that Purdue's recruiting has broken through to another level because we got one five star recruit who's legal guardian was a former Purdue athlete and professional sports agent who liked it that his adopted son would be able to play power forward instead of center. I love Purdue, but let's be honest, we're not Duke, Kentucky, or North Carolina. If we were, we would have some other good recruits (when has one of those characters ever taken somebody with less than four stars) in the 2015 class and we wouldn't have missed out on just about everybody in the 2016 class. It seems to me that we will be successful recruiting if we are successful on the floor just like everybody else.

 

[cdfunk1]

The OP meant legal and ethical recruiting. I can see why you were confused.

You don't hear about people calling Mike Krzyzewski a cheater very often.

 

[cdfunk1]

I think Purdue's recruiting has picked up and the fans should be excited. Players like Hammons, Haas, Edwards, Swanigan and Davis are big time players. Sprinkle in Mathias, Stephens, Cline and Taylor and I would call that very good recruiting. Yes, I'm an IU guy, but a big Painter guy as well, as we go back a ways.
Purdue needs to stick with the tough bad ass players that bleed their culture and sprinkle in some top 50 kids and an occasional 5* to keep Purdue where they belong in the college basketball world. To me, that's a recipe for huge success and a potential final four and national championship some day.

Painter is the guy and you should feel lucky to have him.

I hate it that you're right.

 

[proudopete]

Obviously getting Caleb Swanigan was huge and my hat goes off to Matt Painter. However, I think it's a little naive to think that Purdue's recruiting has broken through to another level because we got one five star recruit who's legal guardian was a former Purdue athlete and professional sports agent who liked it that his adopted son would be able to play power forward instead of center. I love Purdue, but let's be honest, we're not Duke, Kentucky, or North Carolina. If we were, we would have some other good recruits (when has one of those characters ever taken somebody with less than four stars) in the 2015 class and we wouldn't have missed out on just about everybody in the 2016 class. It seems to me that we will be successful recruiting if we are successful on the floor just like everybody else.

Where in this thread do you see anyone comparing our recruiting to Duke, UNC or UK?

 

[cdfunk1]

Jury is still out. Painter has picked it up nicely since 2012 and I do think the budget and coaching consistency has a lot to do with it. That, and I think Painter has learned what type of student athlete he should be targeting to fit his philosophy and system. However, I disagree that 2008 thru 2011 was "just fine". Overall, the talent was substandard and the rated recruits he did secure, were not great fits. 2016/17 will define if we will be top 20 consistently or experience another lull. IMO, Painter and his staff have improved and will continue the recruiting success that has been established recently.

If we don't get anybody else in 2016, and we're left with a recruiting class with one three star recruit aren't we kind of experiencing a lull right now?

 

[proudopete]

If we don't get anybody else in 2016, and we're left with a recruiting class with one three star recruit aren't we kind of experiencing a lull right now?

Doubtful. We have already filled the only position we have even a remote chance at a starting position and '17 will be more important.
Why are you trying to make up arguments? This squad not good enough for you?

 

[cdfunk1]

Doubtful. We have already filled the only position we have even a remote chance at a starting position and '17 will be more important.
Why are you trying to make up arguments? This squad not good enough for you?

I think we have a chance at Brown. He wouldn't be coming for a visit if he wasn't serious. To answer your question...this team is good enough for me (very encouraged), but the 2016 recruiting class as it stands isn't. You don't get very far in March with recruiting classes that consist of one three star recruit.

 

[cdfunk1]

Where in this thread do you see anyone comparing our recruiting to Duke, UNC or UK?

I was comparing our recruiting to Duke, UNC, or UK to show what teams who really have broken through to another level can do.

 

[proudopete]

I think we have a chance at Brown. He wouldn't be coming for a visit if he wasn't serious. To answer your question...this team is good enough for me (very encouraged), but the 2016 recruiting class as it stands isn't. You don't get very far in March with recruiting classes that consist of one three star recruit.

Yeah okay. In reality recruiting classes don't have any effect on what happens in March. They will still be in high school.
Did you ever think that perhaps Painter knows what he is doing?
He has taken our recruiting to a new level compared to what the OP was referring to, our recruiting. Nobody else's.
You want to sweat out the '16 class before the '16 season starts, have at it.
But you're just building straw men and I have no clue what fictional argument you are trying to win???

 

[Chuchumutha]

If you weren't happy with Terone Johnson, Smith, LewJack, and DJ I don't what you would be happy with. 2007 was an incredible recruiting hull, that may not happen ever again. 2011 was just terrible, no way around that.

Never bought in that 2016 needed to be anything special. We needed 1 position and we got it. Anything else will just be gravy.

Besides PG, there is no real opening in a starting role and hardly any other options for a major contributor role unless they are the top of the top rated recruits, and even then it's barely a given.

2017 might be huge. Depends on who stays and who else we get in 2016.

TJ, Smith, LJ & DJ were nice solid college players. Not a real difference maker in the bunch. What I was not satisfied with was Bade, Hart, Carroll, Marcius and Lil AJ. And I didn't even mention 2011. I'm OK banking schollys from 2016 if we don't land Herard or Brown but then 2017 becomes absolutely critical. I think we agree on that.

 

[cdfunk1]

Yeah okay. In reality recruiting classes don't have any effect on what happens in March. They will still be in high school.
Did you ever think that perhaps Painter knows what he is doing?
He has taken our recruiting to a new level compared to what the OP was referring to, our recruiting. Nobody else's.
You want to sweat out the '16 class before the '16 season starts, have at it.
But you're just building straw men and I have no clue what fictional argument you are trying to win???

Okay. Thanks.

 

[cdfunk1]

TJ, Smith, LJ & DJ were nice solid college players. Not a real difference maker in the bunch. What I was not satisfied with was Bade, Hart, Carroll, Marcius and Lil AJ. And I didn't even mention 2011. I'm OK banking schollys from 2016 if we don't land Herard or Brown but then 2017 becomes absolutely critical. I think we agree on that.

2017 is absolutely critical, we agree on that. We might have a chance at Brown, but the smart money has Herard ending up at Mississippi State.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

Dude you can't be serious. You are funny. A breakthrough in recruiting? You get your 1st Burger Boy in ages...

Maybe you should research what a "breakthrough" means and you'll realize the irony of your statement. Wow, you must be from a less academically heralded B1G institution.

 

[Frankie611]

You don't hear about people calling Mike Krzyzewski a cheater very often.

I think cheater is a strong word for almost any coach. I personally feel Mike Kryzdhklski is the same as most of the other coaches - not the saint the media makes him out to be. Didn't he have some bling ring scandal where a player got $100,000 worth of jewelry under questionable circumstances? Most of the big time coaches will bend the rules to get a recruit they really want. Some just go way further than others.
Look at the L'ville prostitute scandal. How many programs know which sorority to have the recruits go to in order to have the same result? If any high profile athlete can't get laid for free on a college campus, they have deeper issues. If prostitutes are hired, you can control the recruits from getting accused of sexual assault or getting a drinking ticket. So in this demented world of recruiting, "good" on them

 

[Frankie611]

For the most part, I think our recruiting will go the way the state of Indiana players go. Painter has done a better job in the past 3 years filling the void of some very thin in state recruiting classes. Vince, Haas, Mathias, ect. Then in 2015 he signed the top two in state prospects (minus the SG who went to ILL). People can rationalize the Swanigan commitment due to the father being an alum but we lost Gary Harris and GR3 both out of state. I don't think that happens now if either of those guys were a senior this year. There is progress but the high ranked in state prospects in 2017 and 2018 will be the measuring stick. Unfortunately for us, I think the destinations of those recruits depend on the coach status at IU and UL as much as anything Painter can do.

 

[njm8845]

I think it's clear we've had an uptick in recruiting, and I'm basing that much more on edwards' class than swanigan's.

But to answer the question, I'm not sure what to contribute the uptick to. I'd lean towards bigger recruiting budget that painter got after the Mizzou fiasco.

 

[Dandelion1972]

Painter has always been a good coach, and his teams play hard.

But since the Baby Boilers, he has blanked on recruiting until Davis and AJ Hammons

Now that Purdue has finally broken through to another level on recruiting - will we stay at that higher level? To what do you attribute the breakthrough?

- bigger recruiting budget?

- better recruiting assistants?

- current players like Davis having the leadership to sell recruits on Purdue's playing culture?

- more stable family life for Painter so he can better focus on his job?

Look at who Painter beat out for recruits in the last three classes, in comparison to the five year stretch after Baby Boilers.


2015.

Swanigan – Duke, Kentucky, MSU, Arizona

Hill – Illinois


2014

Edwards – Michigan, Vanderbilt, Xavier, West Virginia

Haas – Wake Forest, UCLA, Stanford, Texas, Virginia

Mathias – Boston College, West Virginia

Taylor - Maryland, Boston University, St. Joseph

Thompson – NA


2013

Smotherman – IU, Illinois, Notre Dame, Xavier

Stephens – Wisconsin, Illinois

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Nice post. After reading some of the stuff on the football board (I love the 'ignore' function), thanks for a thoughtful post on these recruits!

 

[BigRed3588]

I think cheater is a strong word for almost any coach. I personally feel Mike Kryzdhklski is the same as most of the other coaches - not the saint the media makes him out to be. Didn't he have some bling ring scandal where a player got $100,000 worth of jewelry under questionable circumstances? Most of the big time coaches will bend the rules to get a recruit they really want. Some just go way further than others.

Yes, a Duke player was sued for accepting 100k worth of jewelry his senior year and not paying it back. But I think Duke won the NC that year so... Also, Coach K got caught making illegal contact with a recruit. The NCAA suspended punishment pending the results of a review on contact rules. They decided to change the rules instead of penalize Duke. Which is why the rules that Sampson broke at IU are no longer in effect.

 

[Frankie611]

Yes, a Duke player was sued for accepting 100k worth of jewelry his senior year and not paying it back. But I think Duke won the NC that year so... Also, Coach K got caught making illegal contact with a recruit. The NCAA suspended punishment pending the results of a review on contact rules. They decided to change the rules instead of penalize Duke. Which is why the rules that Sampson broke at IU are no longer in effect.

Thanks. To be honest, when I look at all the shenanigans going on right now I wonder why IU was even in trouble...

 

[BigRed3588]

Thanks. To be honest, when I look at all the shenanigans going on right now I wonder why IU was even in trouble...

Because Sampson was already on probation for doing it once before. Given the actions/academic performance of that team, it was probably a blessing in disguise. But hell, if we had just denied the whole thing as opposed to sanctioning ourselves, we probably would've gotten off with the Boeheim treatment. That appears to be how the NCAA operates these days.

Footnote: I believe in taking responsibility so I'm glad IU went that route. I'm just using that to point out the NCAA's BS.

 

[340duster340]

Illiterate and obsessed is no way to go through life, young hillbilly.

He makes a perfectly legit point. The fact you attack the poster and not his argument, proves how weak you are, not him.

 

[purdue4sure]

He makes a perfectly legit point. The fact you attack the poster and not his argument, proves how weak you are, not him.

And speaking of obsessed. Are you more obsessed with Purdue, or with me?

 

[340duster340]

And speaking of obsessed. Are you more obsessed with Purdue, or with me?

What? I spend 15-20 minutes of free time a week posting on here and to you I am obsessed? What a loser
I post occasionally on several conference boards, only this board seems to have a high percentage of people like you.
Some have a few, this one( for as slow and uninspiring as it is),takes the cake. Lousy program generally, uninformed fan base, you should worship having legit posters like me pay attention here once in a while.
I have been a member here 5 or 6 months and made 36 posts in total. Pleasing you has no priority in my life, you think way to highly of yourself.
Get a life brah....