Hillary attacks our democracy

[BuilderBob6]

Give me a f'ing break man. If you can't see what he really meant there, then nothing I say will penetrate your bubble.

LMFAO!

What trump really meant? Are you serious? Have you been paying attention? You mean like "would be" or "wouldn't be" Russia? You mean he didn't REALLY mean Mexico would literally pay for the wall? Or he didn't really want to slow down Covid testing? Or he didn't really mean he wanted joint cyber security with Russia? Or he didn't mean he won Michigan man of the year.....when no such award exists? I mean how many examples do you want, I've got time.

JFC dude. You're all in.

 

[Boilermaker03]

What trump really meant? Are you serious? Have you been paying attention? You mean like "would be" or "wouldn't be" Russia? You mean he didn't REALLY mean Mexico would literally pay for the wall? Or he didn't really want to slow down Covid testing? Or he didn't really mean he wanted joint cyber security with Russia? Or he didn't mean he won Michigan man of the year.....when no such award exists? I mean how many examples do you want, I've got time.

JFC dude. You're all in.

WTF are you rambling about? Good lord you have issues.

 

[charlespig]

Not sure what your point is. Failing at lawsuits just shows that he tried to go the legal route, so you're just proving my point. A large majority of those suits were thrown out due to procedural error btw and not on the merits.

Failing at lawsuits can also mean he has no case. For example, if I accuse you raping an underage girl, and the case is thrown out, it could just be that it was a case without merit. Just look at what his own AG said:

"Our mission is to investigate and prosecute actual fraud. The fact is, we [DOJ] have looked at the major claims your people are making, and they are bullshit. The reason you [Trump] are in this position is that you wheeled out a clown show, and no quality lawyers who would otherwise be willing to help will get anywhere near it."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...EcmyHJdXT7bt5Scy6OfC0aeWHXwtOxWeXuI6QNvFE9IxE

Bullshit. There were several recounts that they called audits, but no full audits were done.

Playing game of semantics? Even Fox News reported no issues from audit.

Arizona election audit: Final report finds no Maricopa County data issues

The report compiled by an outside special master and released by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors “should be a final stake in the heart of the Senate’s so-called ‘audit,’” Board Chairman Bill Gates said in a statement.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Whether it is recount or audit, there were evidence of widespread fraud that Trump was claiming. Stop acting like the Tennessee fans, who are still clinging that they were robbed of the Music City Bowl. When you mock Hillary of being a sore loser, look yourself into the mirror and you'll see one too.

LOL, how is Trump supposed to stop something that occurred 30 minutes before he was done speaking? The initial breach into the building happened while Trump was still speaking. What was he supposed to do?

Bullshit. There was plenty of time between the "initial wave of protesters storms the outer police barrier around the Capitol" (1 pm, which is when you want to start the clock) and when Trump asked his supporter to go home (4:17pm).

Trump was trying to get Pence to not recognize certain electors and have them sent back to the states to be sorted out by the legislatures. There was precedent there and not illegal. Pence decided not to do it.

That was a blatant attempt to try to overturn election result, and of course Pence wouldn't do it.

Imagine there's a husband and wife, and the wife's first boyfriend came for a casual visit since he happened to be in town. Somehow, the husband was adamant that there were affairs between the two, and demanded that the wife to shoot the boyfriend. He said there was Castle Doctrine precedent and not illegal. The wife thought that was crazy and decided not to do it.

 

[charlespig]

HE DID! When he heard what was happening he called for people to stop and go home. They even showed his tweet. It was reported on at Fox. Would not shock me one bit that none of the other outlets didn't share that piece of info.

The timeline showed the initial attack on the Capitol came at around 1pm. Trump didn't tell his supporters to go home until 4:17pm. He was POTUS. There was a mob in the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence." For over 3 hours he didn't tell them to go home. Gimme a break.

Imagine it was BLM protesters storming the Capitol. I bet he will speak up and send troops in in 15 minutes.

I've not called you or anyone a liberal or leftist here.

I was responding to Level 42, whose comment you gave a "like."

 

[Boilermaker03]

Failing at lawsuits can also mean he has no case. For example, if I accuse you raping an underage girl, and the case is thrown out, it could just be that it was a case without merit. Just look at what his own AG said:

"Our mission is to investigate and prosecute actual fraud. The fact is, we [DOJ] have looked at the major claims your people are making, and they are bullshit. The reason you [Trump] are in this position is that you wheeled out a clown show, and no quality lawyers who would otherwise be willing to help will get anywhere near it."
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...EcmyHJdXT7bt5Scy6OfC0aeWHXwtOxWeXuI6QNvFE9IxE

Interestingly, I heard recently there was a state official that wrote a letter stating that Barr ordered them not to investigate fraud. Said that Barr was afraid of being impeached and that was why he didn't look into it. I can't verify this, but considering what the Dems did to Trump, this wouldn't shock me.

Playing game of semantics? Even Fox News reported no issues from audit.

Arizona election audit: Final report finds no Maricopa County data issues

The report compiled by an outside special master and released by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors “should be a final stake in the heart of the Senate’s so-called ‘audit,’” Board Chairman Bill Gates said in a statement.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Whether it is recount or audit, there were evidence of widespread fraud that Trump was claiming. Stop acting like the Tennessee fans, who are still clinging that they were robbed of the Music City Bowl. When you mock Hillary of being a sore loser, look yourself into the mirror and you'll see one too.

Fox is full of shit. I watched the entire 3 some hour presentation of the results of that audit. There were a TON of issues that needed to be looked into further. If Maricopa county would have cooperated, the results could have been a lot more accurate. What is the point of them to not cooperate if there's nothing to hide? The presentation was done in a very professional manner and did not come to any definitive conclusions as they shouldn't have. However, their was more than enough there to show that the lie that they found nothing is bullshit.

Bullshit. There was plenty of time between the "initial wave of protesters storms the outer police barrier around the Capitol" (1 pm) and when Trump asked his supporter to go home (4:17pm)..

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Actually, this article shows that Trump sent tweets out for people to stay peaceful (they linked to the tweets). Unfortunately, you can't see the actual tweet since twitter removed his account, but the tweet right after it was at 2:13, so MUCH earlier than the 4:17 you claim.

Trump tells Capitol rioters to ‘go home’ but repeatedly pushes false claim that election was stolen

The Capitol is under lockdown after pro-Trump rioters stormed the building, stopping Congress from confirming Joe Biden's Electoral College victory.

www.cnbc.com

That was a blatant attempt to try to overturn election result, and of course Pence wouldn't do it.

Imagine there's a husband and wife, and the wife's first boyfriend came for a casual visit since he happened to be in town. Somehow, the husband was adamant that there were affairs between the two, and demanded that the wife to shoot the boyfriend. He said there was Castle Doctrine precedent and not illegal. The wife thought that was crazy and decided not to do it.

What? This is an absolutely absurd hypothetical you gave and in no way is related.

Trump wasn't asking Pence to overturn the election. There was no guarantee that Trump would have won if Pence did what he wanted him to do. It was up to the state legislatures to look into the election and make their decisions. Again, there was precedent for this.

 

[Level 42]

And the funny thing is you guys keep labeling anyone who disagrees with you "liberals" or "leftists", when I am neither. You might consider stopping that stupid tribal mentality and maybe use your brain every once in a blue moon? Labeling is so childish, but even my fourth-grade son knows just because you label someone something it doesn't mean they are. SMH.

Looks like I was right about you after all based on all your other responses. You liberals are always very easy to spot and not nearly as clever as you think you are. Then again if you had an IQ over 2, you wouldn't be voting for Biden to begin with.

 

[BuilderBob6]

WTF are you rambling about? Good lord you have issues.

That's it. Just act like you have no idea of Trump's extensive history of saying shit he doesn't mean or making an excuse later for what he said or saying it was a joke.......or using whatever method necessary to defend or excuse himself of any responsibility whatsoever. After all, he's never even heard of a burner phone.

 

[Droid12345]

Interestingly, I heard recently there was a state official that wrote a letter stating that Barr ordered them not to investigate fraud.

This part came out almost a year ago and is, at best, a he said/she said at the moment. Barr said no such order was given. We'd need to see records of communication between Barr and McSwain to know for sure either way, but it's public record that Barr authorized all US Attorneys to investigate fraud allegations. Others have also denied McSwain's claim.

Barr shoots down former prosecutor’s election-fraud claims

In an interview, the former attorney general rejected a pro-Trump former U.S. attorney’s allegation that the Justice Department stifled vote-tampering investigations.

www.politico.com

Said that Barr was afraid of being impeached and that was why he didn't look into it. I can't verify this, but considering what the Dems did to Trump, this wouldn't shock me.

And this part is just some stuff that Trump said on Hannity.

 

[Boilermaker03]

This part came out almost a year ago and is, at best, a he said/she said at the moment. Barr said no such order was given. We'd need to see records of communication between Barr and McSwain to know for sure either way, but it's public record that Barr authorized all US Attorneys to investigate fraud allegations. Others have also denied McSwain's claim.

Barr shoots down former prosecutor’s election-fraud claims

In an interview, the former attorney general rejected a pro-Trump former U.S. attorney’s allegation that the Justice Department stifled vote-tampering investigations.

www.politico.com

And this part is just some stuff that Trump said on Hannity.

I said I couldn't confirm it didn't I?

 

[Droid12345]

I said I couldn't confirm it didn't I?

Yes, but you could've looked into it for five seconds before posting it here. I was just offering clarification.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Yes, but you could've looked into it for five seconds before posting it here. I was just offering clarification.

What clarification? Nothing you posted is provable either.... Like you said, it's a he said she said. If my version is correct, then Barr is saying it didn't happen because he doesn't want to look bad.

 

[Droid12345]

What clarification? Nothing you posted is provable either.... Like you said, it's a he said he said. If my version is correct, then Barr is saying it didn't happen because he doesn't want to look bad.

The clarification was just to give actual information. You said "I heard...." I just posted the actual story with what we currently know. That's all. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that, at the moment, there's no reliable evidence that you're right.

 

[Boilermaker03]

The clarification was just to give actual information. You said "I heard...." I just posted the actual story with what we currently know. That's all. I wasn't saying you were wrong, just that, at the moment, there's no reliable evidence that you're right.

Which is why I said it wasn't verifiable. Posting a link like you did makes it seem that you have a source of authority, in which you don't. Am I wrong? That's why I didn't bother to look for a post saying what I mentioned. It's not provable either way unless hard evidence comes out.