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21. Nothingburger. No harm was cause by the leak. The attack was carried out successfully.
The success of the mission isn't relevant........unless you're trying to deflect.

How much other classified info has been passed around among the trump cabinet by signal in the last 60 days? Neither you nor I know.........but there was ZERO conversation that would lead one to believe it was the first.

Never mind. Trying to convince a MAGA zombie of anything other than the admin talking points is useless.
 
CIA Director Ratcliffe testified yesterday that the CIA loaded Signal onto his devices on his first day. And I posted the 2024 CISA "best practice" yesterday that calls for the use of Signal.

Not that you should let those facts detract your from your hyperventilation, which is always entertaining.
Government officials use it all the time. Did they call for the use of Signal for classified info?
 
It's not really the media that's concerning. It's what Republicans are saying about it. The invasion is a complete non-sequitur, as it has been discussed ad-nauseum for decades by the media.

TBH, this was a human error that people can make. Nobody is perfect, and I'm sure many people have accidentally copied the wrong person on an email or text thread. Much higher stakes here, obviously, but it is understandable. And there were not any American casualties, so it's fine.

But it still really is concerning how Republicans are saying sharing military war plans is okay because it's not confidential information. And this is after the messages were published showing the contents. It's either they are just idiotic and should not be in power, or they are absolute liars. Not really an in-between. I think it's the latter. Anyone who tries to justify it should lose all credibility I think, because it was objectively a mistake and not one to take lightly.

This is NOT a policy issue, but an honesty issue for both our leaders and the press.

I'll ignore whether Signal is considered a secure messaging source for devices located in Russia for the purposes of this post.
It's also concerning that not one Republican senator took issue with what happened when Tulsi and Ratcliffe testified yesterday.
 
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It's not really the media that's concerning. It's what Republicans are saying about it. The invasion is a complete non-sequitur, as it has been discussed ad-nauseum for decades by the media.

TBH, this was a human error that people can make. Nobody is perfect, and I'm sure many people have accidentally copied the wrong person on an email or text thread. Much higher stakes here, obviously, but it is understandable. And there were not any American casualties, so it's fine.

But it still really is concerning how Republicans are saying sharing military war plans is okay because it's not confidential information. And this is after the messages were published showing the contents. It's either they are just idiotic and should not be in power, or they are absolute liars. Not really an in-between. I think it's the latter. Anyone who tries to justify it should lose all credibility I think, because it was objectively a mistake and not one to take lightly.

This is NOT a policy issue, but an honesty issue for both our leaders and the press.

I'll ignore whether Signal is considered a secure messaging source for devices located in Russia for the purposes of this post.
Any Leak to anyone that wasn't supposed to be involved in the meeting is concerning.
Thank goodness no damage was done and the strike was successful, with no US casualties.
So the SS uploaded this app on the cell phones of the persons participating in the meeting.
How the fk did the Liberal Atlantic Hack Goldberg's cell phone # get added to any of the security teams contacts.
I find it hard to believe any of the security team just had his number in their contact list.
I'm sure he is best friends with Tulsie, Pete and the gang.
 
Any Leak to anyone that wasn't supposed to be involved in the meeting is concerning.
Thank goodness no damage was done and the strike was successful, with no US casualties.
So the SS uploaded this app on the cell phones of the persons participating in the meeting.
How the fk did the Liberal Atlantic Hack Goldberg's cell phone # get added to any of the security teams contacts.
I find it hard to believe any of the security team just had his number in their contact list.
I'm sure he is best friends with Tulsie, Pete and the gang.
If Goldgerg is supposed to be this ultra-liberal hack then why would anyone in the Chump administration have Goldberg's phone number, assumingly in their phone's contact. I have a theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you want. But whoever had Goldberg's number, perhaps Waltz or whoever added Goldberg to the text, had his number to leak specific inside information to Goldberg in other matters.
 
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If Goldgerg is supposed to be this ultra-liberal hack then why would anyone in the Chump administration have Goldberg's phone number, assumingly in their phone's contact. I have a theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you want. But whoever had Goldberg's number, perhaps Waltz or whoever added Goldberg to the text, had his number to leak specific inside information to Goldberg in other matters.
You may be right on this. There were so many leakers in the first Trump administration and with democrats on every front trying to make him look bad daily, it would be no surprise that some insiders may do it again. Obviously it’s all conjecture.
 
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I mean that's just not true. The message includes timestamps..
I do not know what info qualifies as classified or not, but the message did not include specific location of the attack or the individual terrorist being targeted in the attack - who is now no more.
 
Any Leak to anyone that wasn't supposed to be involved in the meeting is concerning.
Thank goodness no damage was done and the strike was successful, with no US casualties.
So the SS uploaded this app on the cell phones of the persons participating in the meeting.
How the fk did the Liberal Atlantic Hack Goldberg's cell phone # get added to any of the security teams contacts.
I find it hard to believe any of the security team just had his number in their contact list.
I'm sure he is best friends with Tulsie, Pete and the gang.

If Goldgerg is supposed to be this ultra-liberal hack then why would anyone in the Chump administration have Goldberg's phone number, assumingly in their phone's contact. I have a theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you want. But whoever had Goldberg's number, perhaps Waltz or whoever added Goldberg to the text, had his number to leak specific inside information to Goldberg in other matters.

You may be right on this. There were so many leakers in the first Trump administration and with democrats on every front trying to make him look bad daily, it would be no surprise that some insiders may do it again. Obviously it’s all conjecture.

All of this seems overwhelmingly likely. Per last night's Der Speigel publication of all of these knuckleheads' cell phone contacts (which were likely gathered because they use the Signal app), Waltz has Brianna Keilar and Kristen Holmes of CNN on his Venmo friends list, along with an MSNBC producer.

PRIMARY TAKEAWAY? The Trump cult member masses think that these people that suck up to Trump are true believers in his competence and at times f'd up priorities. In reality? They tell Trump and his cult masses what they think they want to hear publicly, but in private they largely understand, and stay in touch with reality. And they use opposition media to keep Trump in check to a certain degree.

The same goes for Democrats who knew that Biden was was over the hill, and privately whispered as such to reporters from the other political side of the aisle.
 
I do not know what info qualifies as classified or not, but the message did not include specific location of the attack or the individual terrorist being targeted in the attack - who is now no more.
It 1,000,000% was classified at the highest of the highest levels. Hell, some of the most mundane stuff about travel schedules of intell officials is 100% classified. This is about as SCIF-worthy as information could possibly be.

The primary takeaway is that the Russians and Chinese knew about our Houthi attacks that day, and decided to let us bomb the shit out of the Houthis without tipping them off.
 
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All of this seems overwhelmingly likely. Per last night's Der Speigel publication of all of these knuckleheads' cell phone contacts (which were likely gathered because they use the Signal app), Waltz has Brianna Keilar and Kristen Holmes of CNN on his Venmo friends list, along with an MSNBC producer.

PRIMARY TAKEAWAY? The Trump cult member masses think that these people that suck up to Trump are true believers in his competence and at times f'd up priorities. In reality? They tell Trump and his cult masses what they think they want to hear publicly, but in private they largely understand, and stay in touch with reality. And they use opposition media to keep Trump in check to a certain degree.

The same goes for Democrats who knew that Biden was was over the hill, and privately whispered as such to reporters from the other political side of the aisle.
Here’s the strategy of the far-left news media and the Democrats: If they keep on squealing and ranting and going apeshit over this nothingburger security breach and don’t mention anything else, then they won’t have to talk about Trump’s fabulous success with stopping illegal immigration, ending DEI racism and cutting government waste.
 
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Here’s the strategy of the far-left news media and the Democrats: If they keep on squealing and ranting and going apeshit over this nothingburger security breach and don’t mention anything else, then they won’t have to talk about Trump’s fabulous success with stopping illegal immigration, ending DEI racism and cutting government waste.
So you have no problem in the future if we give our adversaries a 2 1/2 hour head's up that we are about to attack them?

This is a big deal. Thank God the mission went well and the Russians chose not to tip the Houthis off. But the f-up was massive even though the consequences did not result in dead US soldiers.

And if you'd like, I can link all of the people and organizations that are in no way Democrat or "far-left news media" that think this was a very big f-up. From Fox News and National Review media, to Republican legislators, to the most experienced national security professionals.
 
Here’s the strategy of the far-left news media and the Democrats: If they keep on squealing and ranting and going apeshit over this nothingburger security breach and don’t mention anything else, then they won’t have to talk about Trump’s fabulous success with stopping illegal immigration, ending DEI racism and cutting government waste.
Do you consider Fox News' Senior National Security Reporter to be "far-left news media?"

Here is her take:


"There is a debate about whether the operational details Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared in the Signal Group Chat were “classified” or not. So I surveyed a range of current and former US defense officials who agreed “war plans” is not the right term but what was shared may have been FAR MORE sensitive given the operational details and time stamps ahead of the operation, which could have placed US military pilots in harms way.

What Hegseth shared two hours ahead of the strikes were time sensitive “attack orders” or “operational plans” with actual timing of the strikes and mention of F18s, MQ9 Reapers and Tomahawks. This information is typically sent through classified channels to the commanders in the field as “secret, no forn” message. In other words the information is “classified” and should not be shared through insecure channels.

“Attack orders” or “attack sequence” puts the joint force directly and immediately at risk, according to former senior defense official #1. “It allows the enemy to move the target and increase lethal actions against US forces.”

This kind of real time operational information is more sensitive than “war plans,” which makes this lapse more egregious, according to two former senior US defense officials.

“This information was clearly classified,” according to former senior defense official #1.

The Defense Secretary can retroactively declassify information after the fact, but the fact that this was shared in real time before the strike took place makes it unlikely to have been declassified when it was being shared and seen by the journalist for The Atlantic who was inadvertently included in the Signal chat.

According to a second former senior US defense official, when Hegseth says he didn’t release “war plans” that is pure semantics. These were “attack plans.” “If you are revealing who is going to be attacked (Houthis – the name of the text chain), it still gives the enemy warning. When you release the time of the attack – all of that is always ‘classified’.”
 
You may be right on this. There were so many leakers in the first Trump administration and with democrats on every front trying to make him look bad daily, it would be no surprise that some insiders may do it again. Obviously it’s all conjecture.
Chump doesn't need any help whatsoever to look bad from the democrats. He does a good job of looking bad on his own. Any help looking bad that he does get is from his own jacked up people that he appoints. This is what happens when you select unqualified, ring kissing ne'er do wells in your administration. Since you can't blame this security breach on DEI. What would you call this?
 
It 1,000,000% was classified at the highest of the highest levels. Hell, some of the most mundane stuff about travel schedules of intell officials is 100% classified. This is about as SCIF-worthy as information could possibly be.

The primary takeaway is that the Russians and Chinese knew about our Houthi attacks that day, and decided to let us bomb the shit out of the Houthis without tipping them off.
How do you know they didn't tip them off?
 
Chump doesn't need any help whatsoever to look bad from the democrats. He does a good job of looking bad on his own. Any help looking bad that he does get is from his own jacked up people that he appoints. This is what happens when you select unqualified, ring kissing ne'er do wells in your administration. Since you can't blame this security breach on DEI. What would you call this?
I would call it a serious mistake that will no doubt result in someone being fired if it happens again.

Thinking back, what did you call it when Biden's Secretary of Defense was out of action due to surgery but your hero Joe Crow didn't know about it?
 
Chump doesn't need any help whatsoever to look bad from the democrats. He does a good job of looking bad on his own. Any help looking bad that he does get is from his own jacked up people that he appoints. This is what happens when you select unqualified, ring kissing ne'er do wells in your administration. Since you can't blame this security breach on DEI. What would you call this?
I said it in an earlier thread that someone needs to get canned.
 
No! It’s to be used for scheduling—NOT classified attack plans. And there was February additional guidance that is is susceptible to monitoring by foreign adversaries.
First I have heard of the Feb guidance. If it was properly distributed (always a big if with NSA - see npr link), then someone should be reprimanded or even fired for its use. If it was not properly distributed, someone should be fired for that.

 
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“If you are revealing who is going to be attacked (Houthis – the name of the text chain), it still gives the enemy warning. When you release the time of the attack – all of that is always ‘classified’.”
I didn't realize that the editor of The Atlantic had immediately called Yeman and notified the Houthis rebels that an attack was underway.
 
So you have no problem in the future if we give our adversaries a 2 1/2 hour head's up that we are about to attack them?
The leak didn't go to our adversaries. The leak went to the editor of The Atlantic and he said nothing until the next day when the attack was over. A nothingburger.
 
The leak didn't go to our adversaries. The leak went to the editor of The Atlantic and he said nothing until the next day when the attack was over. A nothingburger.
Dude. What part of adversaries hacking into private citizen phones don't you understand? What part of adversaries receiving confidential information from a jive reporter don't you understand.
 
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I would call it a serious mistake that will no doubt result in someone being fired if it happens again.

Thinking back, what did you call it when Biden's Secretary of Defense was out of action due to surgery but your hero Joe Crow didn't know about it?
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Not sure Biden not knowing what was going on should be the standard lol.

Austin got his ass handed to him for not informing about the surgery. This is worse. Your take of "a serious mistake that will no doubt result in someone being fired if it happens again" is pretty spot-on IMO. Waltz and Hegseth are now on "double-secret-Trump-probation."

Hopefully this will be an incredibly vivid episode that will highlight that OPSEC is critically important, and that prime decision makers will take it to heed and not be sloppy ever again.

Pretty sure that Trump had a screaming fit of epic proportions and Waltz and Hegseth were the recipients of that screaming fit. Trump doesn't give two shits about OPSEC, but he cares very deeply about not making Trump look bad. So in this case? That's a good thing.

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Dude. What part of adversaries hacking into private citizen phones don't you understand? What part of adversaries receiving confidential information from a jive reporter don't you understand.
Now let me get this straight. The Houthis rebels, in the third world country of Yemen, knew to hack into the phone of the editor of The Atlantic because they were aware he was going to get an accidental leak from the Trump administration about a military attack on their terrorist and pirate assets. Is that what I should understand?
 
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Any Leak to anyone that wasn't supposed to be involved in the meeting is concerning.
Thank goodness no damage was done and the strike was successful, with no US casualties.
So the SS uploaded this app on the cell phones of the persons participating in the meeting.
How the fk did the Liberal Atlantic Hack Goldberg's cell phone # get added to any of the security teams contacts.
I find it hard to believe any of the security team just had his number in their contact list.
I'm sure he is best friends with Tulsie, Pete and the gang.
That was my immediate question! Who had the cell number of someone that hates Trump's and his team? Who actually loaded the group chat...THAT is very important! Although it needs reviewed to prevent any potential problems, it in no way approaches the security problems in the past like HIllary's server and/or emails deleted and the Clinton Foundation or Hunter's paintings and kickbacks for the big guy, nor the millions of illegals invited into the country that I can't recall those against this potential problem being concerned with the real problems. Shoot, I imagine some countries were notified in advance this was going to happen like in the past. WE know the dems and their media were not concerned for security then or lying about Biden's state of fit for the office other than the time of being fit for office, but unfit for the courts. It needs studied starting with who input the names into the group chat.

Having dealt with non disclosures and technology that makes one company's approach and/or tech an advantage over another competitor and dealing with both generally through emails, I'm fully aware of slips and so was GM in mandating classes on it. It didn't have the same amount of hours spent on it as DEI, but it was important.
 
If Goldgerg is supposed to be this ultra-liberal hack then why would anyone in the Chump administration have Goldberg's phone number, assumingly in their phone's contact. I have a theory, call it a conspiracy theory if you want. But whoever had Goldberg's number, perhaps Waltz or whoever added Goldberg to the text, had his number to leak specific inside information to Goldberg in other matters.
That was the purpose of my post.
 
Now let me get this straight. The Houthis rebels, in the third world country of Yemen, knew to hack into the phone of the editor of The Atlantic because they were aware he was going to get an accidental leak from the Trump administration about a military attack on their terrorist and pirate assets. Is that what I should understand?
Lol. What countries support the Houthis?
 
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Lol. What countries support the Houthis?
Ah, that's probably what happened. Iranian hackers knew to hack into the phone of the editor of The Atlantic because they were aware he was going to get an accidental leak from the Trump administration about a military attack on the Houthis. So the Iranian hackers could then have notified the Houthis rebels, in the third world country of Yemen, who would then have activated their sophisticated air and sea defense systems to slaughter the American pilots in the air and send the US sailors and their ships to Davy Jones' Locker.
 
Ah, that's probably what happened. Iranian hackers knew to hack into the phone of the editor of The Atlantic because they were aware he was going to get an accidental leak from the Trump administration about a military attack on the Houthis. So the Iranian hackers could then have notified the Houthis rebels, in the third world country of Yemen, who would then have activated their sophisticated air and sea defense systems to slaughter the American pilots in the air and send the US sailors and their ships to Davy Jones' Locker.
Lol. Who supports Iran?

If our top notch defense and intel officials were using Signal before this event they very likely were hacked before this this text. They didn't have to know the event or the text we're coming. They were already tapped into the system.

Are you aware of the technology of some of the Houthi weapons? Do you know how quickly information can get passed on? Do you know which large Asian country who is trying to hack into our systems every freakin day and is allied with Iran? Jfc man.
 
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Lol. Who supports Iran?

If our top notch defense and intel officials were using Signal before this event they very likely were hacked before this this text. They didn't have to know the event or the text we're coming. They were already tapped into the system.

Are you aware of the technology of some of the Houthi weapons? Do you know how quickly information can get passed on? Do you know which large Asian country who is trying to hack into our systems every freakin day and is allied with Iran? Jfc man.
Lots of worrisome “what if” stuff but the reality is that this great hand-wringing is about a leak to a magazine editor that happened simultaneously with the attack on the other side of the world. It was a nothingburger.
 
We can argue whether this signal app should have used in the first place. Now that they have been using it, knowing who was on this text meeting, NSA, Head of Intelligence, Sec of Defense, VP, etc. Not not one ne’er do well cared to verify who on the list deserved to be in this text. Can’t blame this on DEI hires. I thought merit was the most important factor in hiring under this administration. I guess not when the Sec of Defense was the weekend host on a jive TV show on Faux News.
 
He hired his completely over qualified brother.

This is exactly why we needed affirmative action or now DEI. Why men for decades and within all industries will hire brothers, sons, friends, or just plain white men regardless of qualifications. BS Legacy admissions in colleges. White nationalists like Chump and the MAGA bs want to go back to that crap.
 
BS Legacy admissions in colleges.
If you think Biden's DEI policies slowed legacy admissions in colleges, you got it completely back-asswards. It was the Supreme Court’s move to end affirmative action in 2023 that put legacy admissions under pressure. Two worst offenders: Baylor and Notre Dame.

 
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This is exactly why we needed affirmative action or now DEI. Why men for decades and within all industries will hire brothers, sons, friends, or just plain white men regardless of qualifications. BS Legacy admissions in colleges. White nationalists like Chump and the MAGA bs want to go back to that crap.
 
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