Fresh Start Today

[Boilerfla]

Turning the corner into this Toledo game and B10 must see to get back in the W zone;

-Colvin and Heide in the shooting loop, run some plays for them being early option, a few iso

-Cox / Smith combo more

-Smith look for shoot

-DJ emerge!

-TKR make free throws

-Caleb senior blossom

 

[northside100]

Turning the corner into this Toledo game and B10 must see to get back in the W zone;

-Colvin and Heide in the shooting loop, run some plays for them being early option, a few iso

-Cox / Smith combo more

-Smith look for shoot

-DJ emerge!

-TKR make free throws

-Caleb senior blossom

Agree. It would be more helpful to be playing a team with a pulse, but this is an opportunity for these guys to go out and play hard and loose.

 

[02BoilerUp]

Turning the corner into this Toledo game and B10 must see to get back in the W zone;

-Colvin and Heide in the shooting loop, run some plays for them being early option, a few iso

-Cox / Smith combo more

-Smith look for shoot

-DJ emerge!

-TKR make free throws

-Caleb senior blossom

-DJ emerge!???

 

[BBG]

-DJ emerge!???

Those docs must have done a miracle on him.

 

[rjmpu82]

We will be a much better team when we stop playing 3 on 5 at the offensive end. Can't have Heide and Colvin just standing around. Painter needs to get them involved. When that happens, we are a top 10-15 team.

 

[Roeder]

Looking forward to seeing if Cox plays more.

Agree that getting Colvin and Heide involved is key.

I love Furst and want him to breakout more than anyone, but maybe it's time to play Burgess more and let him grow. Maybe by March he will be a nice piece.

Hoping Harris can get comfortable too.

 

[Boilerfla]

-DJ emerge!???

Meant RB🤓

 

[PaBoiler78]

Looking forward to seeing if Cox plays more.

Agree that getting Colvin and Heide involved is key.

I love Furst and want him to breakout more than anyone, but maybe it's time to play Burgess more and let him grow. Maybe by March he will be a nice piece.

Hoping Harris can get comfortable too.

good post

 

[qazplm]

-DJ emerge!???

He's a beautiful butterfly

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Looking forward to seeing if Cox plays more.

Agree that getting Colvin and Heide involved is key.

I love Furst and want him to breakout more than anyone, but maybe it's time to play Burgess more and let him grow. Maybe by March he will be a nice piece.

Hoping Harris can get comfortable too.

I don’t disagree with this and the original post.
The concern I have is it would require Paint to change the basis for entire offensive concepts. He even tells recruits that if you are in the top 2-3 that you’ll have stuff run for you but if not you won’t and you’ll fill a role and be a support team player.
Getting both Colvin and Heide more involved beyond Smith, Loyer and TKR would require running stuff to create for them outside of the top three. Other Purdue teams have thrived with the 3 player scheme but this team is not performing strong enough to overcome the weaknesses that have been exposed so far.
Heide and Colvin being limited options left to score on 3point kick outs hasn’t produced consistently and leaves advantages of creating scoring opportunities for them using set plays to make use of their athleticism.

It could be an option just giving them a green light to hunt their opportunities instead of other options such as creating set scoring plays to incorporate. Either way it seems several of us fans and non coaches feel we need to get them more involved.

 

[Old Gold n Black]

Turning the corner into this Toledo game and B10 must see to get back in the W zone;

-Colvin and Heide in the shooting loop, run some plays for them being early option, a few iso

-Cox / Smith combo more

-Smith look for shoot

-DJ emerge!

-TKR make free throws

-Caleb senior blossom

With last night's game in the rear view, lets see how we fared against your must-have list (a good list, btw!)


-Colvin/Heide: [Grade: F] Oof. More of the same with lots of 0's in the final box. Both guys have mysteriously lost their confidence, and by the end of the game were complete afterthoughts.

- Cox/Smith combo: [Grade B-] We ran a lineup with this combo for a few minutes, and it seemed to be clicking. Cox was the first guy to score other than the big 3, and he did some other good things too. Solid D, steady ball handling, and even led a fast break finding Smith on the wing for a transition 3. Not sure why Paint didn't run with this lineup more.

- Smith looking for his shot: [Grade A] Check. In spades.

- Burgess emerge: [Grade C] He had some good (and necessary) PT. Still learning through some freshman mistakes, but I like his fight. He keeps coming back and doesn't hang his head. Good competitor. Will some of the kinks be ironed out by season's end? It's trending that way.

TKR free throws: [Grade D] Shot 1-4 today. Took a step backwards. This has to be remedied or teams may start playing hack-a-Tre if he doesn't improve.

-Caleb blossom: [Grade B] I've been one of his biggest critics this year, but I thought he had a nice game last night. His effort on the glass was particularly solid, and he is playing with more confidence and physicality under the rim. Free throw shooting is improved too, which is nice to see.


All in all, not bad. I think our greatest need at this point is for Heide to become more comfortable in his role at the 4. If that doesn't happen, a TKR - Furst front line is our next best option. I would like to see Harris replace Colvin in the starting lineup. He seems to understand his role better and his confidence is soaring. Also need to get Berg healthy and available for spot play against larger teams, too.

 

[DrEss]

To me, Colvin and Heide are the same type of player, with providing the same type of results, across the last few games. Split them up, one starts and one subs. Replacing the one starter, I’d start any of Cox, Harris, Burgess or Furst, depending on matchups. Can’t continue to play 3 on 5.

 

[Boilerfla]

With last night's game in the rear view, lets see how we fared against your must-have list (a good list, btw!)


-Colvin/Heide: [Grade: F] Oof. More of the same with lots of 0's in the final box. Both guys have mysteriously lost their confidence, and by the end of the game were complete afterthoughts.

- Cox/Smith combo: [Grade B-] We ran a lineup with this combo for a few minutes, and it seemed to be clicking. Cox was the first guy to score other than the big 3, and he did some other good things too. Solid D, steady ball handling, and even led a fast break finding Smith on the wing for a transition 3. Not sure why Paint didn't run with this lineup more.

- Smith looking for his shot: [Grade A] Check. In spades.

- Burgess emerge: [Grade C] He had some good (and necessary) PT. Still learning through some freshman mistakes, but I like his fight. He keeps coming back and doesn't hang his head. Good competitor. Will some of the kinks be ironed out by season's end? It's trending that way.

TKR free throws: [Grade D] Shot 1-4 today. Took a step backwards. This has to be remedied or teams may start playing hack-a-Tre if he doesn't improve.

-Caleb blossom: [Grade B] I've been one of his biggest critics this year, but I thought he had a nice game last night. His effort on the glass was particularly solid, and he is playing with more confidence and physicality under the rim. Free throw shooting is improved too, which is nice to see.


All in all, not bad. I think our greatest need at this point is for Heide to become more comfortable in his role at the 4. If that doesn't happen, a TKR - Furst front line is our next best option. I would like to see Harris replace Colvin in the starting lineup. He seems to understand his role better and his confidence is soaring. Also need to get Berg healthy and available for spot play against larger teams, too.

Can’t pass the class with D/F, good assessment teacher

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

To me, Colvin and Heide are the same type of player, with providing the same type of results, across the last few games. Split them up, one starts and one subs. Replacing the one starter, I’d start any of Cox, Harris, Burgess or Furst, depending on matchups. Can’t continue to play 3 on 5.

I would have argued with you earlier on, but why not try this? I guess we will see how conf play is and how they do there but if same results happen and we don’t win, then yeah, gotta think you need to switch some things up.

 

[qazplm]

To me, Colvin and Heide are the same type of player, with providing the same type of results, across the last few games. Split them up, one starts and one subs. Replacing the one starter, I’d start any of Cox, Harris, Burgess or Furst, depending on matchups. Can’t continue to play 3 on 5.

I don't think they are the same type of player, I do think right now they are providing the same type of results, not much.

I think they both have different strengths but both of them are way too invested in making their shots and seem to affected when they miss them. Colvin can provide lockdown perimeter defense and he's clearly a guy that has the hustle ability. Heide can guard bigger people and could be a massive rebound putback guy for us.

I don't know which one you bench because right now neither are providing anything in games. I don't think you want to give up on either because the potential is certainly there, but they have to figure out how to contribute when the three isn't dropping and they can't get so frustrated as they both seem to clearly get when the shot isn't going their way.

Heide seems to just completely disappear, and Colvin seems to take ill advised shots trying to force things, but both end up not helping the team. Play good d, get rebounds, hustle, get putbacks, and let the rest come.

 

[BBG]

I don't know which one you bench because right now neither are providing anything in games. I don't think you want to give up on either because the potential is certainly there, but they have to figure out how to contribute when the three isn't dropping and they can't get so frustrated as they both seem to clearly get when the shot isn't going their way.

This right here was VERY evident when Colvin missed that dunk so ... badly. That going in may have done wonders from a mental standpoint.

Plenty of time for both of them to figure it out and as you said, they have already shown they are capable, but that window is closing and a couple of the Frosh are the ones closing it.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

a TKR - Furst front line is our next best option

yes. At this time TKR/Furst or Burgess seems like a more productive 4/5.
Certainly against Big teams.
Maybe one of Covin/Heide can get it going off the bench or being the small guy starting.