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he'll have his opportunities next year for sure. Wish Cincy would have taken Moorhead instead of the Adam Sandler look a alike.
No reason to expect them to tank though...may not be as good as this year, but, should still be good...and, if real good again, he will have his choice of jobs likely.
Some rumor him to be holding out for ND...which seems like a bit of a longshot, but, he will still be in demand likely...and, even if he isn't, not like his gig at Western Michigan is the worst job in the world...Chris Petersen was at Boise for a long time before he moved on and took what was apparently his dream job...others have done the same.
Fleck was in a position to be selective...he selected to remain at WMU...if ever a guy felt comfortable betting on himself, I am confident that Fleck is that guy...will wait to see what happens now.
He may not tank next year but 9-3 won't make him near the commodity he was this offseason.
True, but on the flip side, there may be a lot more P5 jobs open, which could make it more of a seller's market than this year was.
He wasn't a real commodity this year. Else why would he have been passed up so much? Smoke and mirrors, man.
We don't really know what he passed on and what passed on him.
He's a great young coach and he will be fine getting a big job soon.
First- He is newly married and newly divorced with kids. Maybe he doesn't want to move to Oregon??? Or Texas or Cincinnati. Maybe he wasn't offered by Purdue. IDK
If he considers the money at Cincinnati to be similar to what his raise is and the likely hood of success to be the same for next year then why go there? Why leave your kids to go there? Maybe he's a family man and not a self centered ego maniac. IDK but there's a lot that goes into huge life changes that we all think are so easy but these guys are people with family's and problems just like the rest of us.
First- He is newly married and newly divorced with kids. Maybe he doesn't want to move to Oregon??? Or Texas or Cincinnati. Maybe he wasn't offered by Purdue. IDK
If he considers the money at Cincinnati to be similar to what his raise is and the likely hood of success to be the same for next year then why go there? Why leave your kids to go there? Maybe he's a family man and not a self centered ego maniac. IDK but there's a lot that goes into huge life changes that we all think are so easy but these guys are people with family's and problems just like the rest of us.
You are both right, we don't really know anything. Why? Smoke and mirrors.
The only opening that it was reported that wanted to interview him was Cincy. All the other openings, the media brought him up as a candidate, but supposedly no one tried to contact him for the opening. So he sounds like he sure got passed over to me.
Bobinski is quoted by JC that he " never even talked to that individual" regarding the rumor that he had taken the job. I'll find the article by Baird and link it.
Here is the article.
http://www.jconline.com/story/sport...due-ad-mike-bobinski-search-daniels/95194026/
'Bobinski didn't mention Fleck by name Friday, but said, "not only did I not hire him, I had never spoken to that individual. I had never seen him."'
That's a pass, for sure. And who would put that out there and for what reason but for misinformation? Smoke and mirrors, man. Smoke and mirrors.
And it's been reported Oregon and Baylor never tried to contact. Cincy was the only job I read where it was reported he actually said he wasn't interested in, and that is pretty close to a lateral move since it's still a g5 job and right now he seems to have WMU at a higher level.
Nope, as most people don't waste time trying to get a hold of people they don't want to hire for an open position. Based on the names you hear mentioned as backup plans to Begin, it seems pretty clear Bobinski was going for an innovative offensive minded head coach. Fleck is a rah, rah guy with a ball control Tressel ball OC, I wonder if the fact Fleck has never called a play on either side of the ball in his coaching career part of the reason schools took a pass in him. He's more like Hazel in that regard and you might think he's more dependent on his staff than someone like Brohm who calls the offense, so you have a better idea of what to expect at least on that side of the ball.
Sure, they probably did. But just because Purdue reached out doesn't make someone a commodity. Spack "heard" from Purdue. Was he a commodity?
I'm just pointing out that just because he didn't get a job at a particular place doesn't mean that he wasn't wanted somewhere. The truth is none of us know what went on behind the scenes at any of these schools, let alone all of them.
I'll tell you what I believe, and it is only a guess. But I'd guess that Bobinski absolutely reached out to Fleck's agent or someone. I'd be upset if we found out he didn't. Why wouldn't you consider him?
And since I believe that there was some sort of contact there (note that Bobinski denied talking to Fleck which I believe but that doesn't prohibit him from having inquired to his agent or someone else) I would guess that Fleck either wasn't at all interested or wouldn't operate on our timetable and we kept moving on. Doesn't mean he was on the top of our list. Doesn't mean we wanted him over Brohm. It just means that he was probably on a list of potential candidates and none of us know where he might have ranked had both sides advanced further along in the discussions.
At any rate, that's my thinking. I don't think you can take the fact that he appears to be headed back to WMU as evidence that nobody wanted him. Frankly, that doesn't make much sense.
I could buy that. Perhaps he wasn't interested in Purdue, and had his sights higher. He may have said no to Baylor early in the process too. Its possible he was hoping for a P5 coaching domino effect where Texas and Oregon poaches a P5 coach each and so on and so on, whereby a job opens up he Fleck may "fit" better. But it didn't work out that way because the 5 open P5 programs hired G5 HCs and a P5 DC, just not G5 Fleck.
What makes you think that? He was successful at USC and should have been hired permanently over Steve Sarkasian. He stabilized LSU after Les Miles was fired. He's markedly better than our most recent hires.
Bobinski used a private search firm. Thus when he says "I didn't talk with so and so..." he is speaking the truth but that doesn't mean the search firm did not communicate with so and so.
It could also be that Purdue didn't like what the agent/representative had to say and decided to pass.
Either way he rolled the dice and time will tell after the 2017 season if it works in his favor or if he remains at WMU...
Orgeron was 6-2 at SC. As I recall, he lost to rivals ND and UCLA. That trend gets you fired at SC. He stabilized LSU? He was 5-2 this year with LSU. Miles was 9-3 in 2015. You are dreaming if you think Orgeron will have a record which comes anywhere near Miles' record while at LSU.
To say he's better than our hires, not so sure. Orgeron was 10-25 while at Mississippi with only three conference wins. Three conference wins in 3+ years...sound familiar? Pretty Hazellesque. And we're not LSU. At Purdue, get 8 wins and they give you the key to the city.
I think there were 2 factors that influenced him. First, not too many HC jobs opened up this season. Second, he likely heard from several AD concerns of his youth and inexperience. Sure, he had a great season but was in the MAC which overall is not too good. Can he prove himself again next year after some key seniors leaving? Perhaps that is what he is going to do.
Yes that's absolutely a possibility. Maybe he said he wasn't interested. Maybe he said he wouldn't talk to Purdue until Oregon made it's decision and Purdue moved on. Maybe he wanted to re-nickname Ross-Ade from The Furnace to The Row Boat and Bobinski thought he was nuts. None of us know but I think/hope we can all be certain there was communication between the two camps at some point.
There is no reason to think ND wouldn't take Fleck if the job were open, afterall look at the hires since Holtz: Davie/no experience, Willingham/Only MSU, Weis/no experience. These guys make Fleck look like their kind of guy. The seasoned highly sought after coaches always turn ND down because they don't want to be under fire every time they don't win the championship.
Sounds like he wasn't there first choice as it has been reported Morehead turned them down.
Fleck is heading to Mnny so I guess we'll get to see if we got the better end of the deal when we go against them. Personally I think we did, but we'll see.
I agree, I initially wanted Fleck, but the more I started to watch WKU and Brohm, I switched my preference. I like that Brohm is at least in control of the offense, so you pretty much know what you are getting there and I fear Fleck is far more dependent on his coordinators, so makes those hires more crucial and staff turnover can have a bigger impact. Obviously both methods can be successful, I just like having a HC who is more hands on, on at least one side of the ball for long term stability.
I'm glad for Fleck. and I'm glad for Purdue. Fleck made it a priority that he would coach his team through their bowl game. And he stuck to that promise. With what is being said today about his salary, I can believe his agent did reach a contract agreement with our search committee. However, Purdue was not willing to wait until after the Cotton bowl to hire him. it would have been today if we had waited. and it would be 2 more weeks before he names a staff. And looking at our team, we would not have been able to recruit and sign the players we did if we were waiting for Fleck. the players who wanted to enroll early would have enrolled early somewhere else.
As it stands, we've added 9 players since Brohm arrived, he's evaluated our team and has targeted many more players. if we had waited for Fleck, the process would start next week, and we would have lost out on some great talent.
Simply stated, we needed the jump start Brohm has given our program.
As it stands, we've added 9 players since Brohm arrived, he's evaluated our team and has targeted many more players. if we had waited for Fleck, the process would start next week, and we would have lost out on some great talent.
Simply stated, we needed the jump start Brohm has given our program.
One link to a story....
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...en-gophers-hire-pj-fleck-replace-tracy-claeys
Different subject but Claeys' statement about being proud of his boycotting players is so stupid that it was grounds for dismissal in itself.
