First, I salute the Ukranians for the fight they're putting up, and if possible

[TwinDegrees2]

I'd be right beside them in this battle. They are the last defense we have in that area, because if Putin wins there, he's going to test the resolve with a move into a smaller NATO country since his military will be right where he needs it to do that. He want the entire USSR back together and knows his time to do so is growing shorter.

He's a madman for sure, but he's not stupid or "sick' as the media keeps shouting.

If we don't put more military pressure on his army in the Ukraine immediately , he's going to become even more emboldened knowing he can continue to bully us and our weak President.

Long live the Ukrainian fighters and may God grant them safety and total success.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

he's going to test the resolve with a move into a smaller NATO country

No he isn’t.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

No he isn’t.

OKay....sure.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I'd be right beside them in this battle. They are the last defense we have in that area, because if Putin wins there, he's going to test the resolve with a move into a smaller NATO country since his military will be right where he needs it to do that. He want the entire USSR back together and knows his time to do so is growing shorter.

He's a madman for sure, but he's not stupid or "sick' as the media keeps shouting.

If we don't put more military pressure on his army in the Ukraine immediately , he's going to become even more emboldened knowing he can continue to bully us and our weak President.

Long live the Ukrainian fighters and may God grant them safety and total success.

He would like to move into one or more NATO countries but he’s not dumb enough to do that. He knows what that would mean - WW III and the greater likelihood of a nuclear conflict.

 

[guidelinesa2]

He would like to move into one or more NATO countries but he’s not dumb enough to do that. He knows what that would mean - WW III and the greater likelihood of a nuclear conflict.

He knows Biden and Harris are weak and he is going all in. God help us. If we back him into a corner and leave no escape hatch he could go nuclear.

 

[SDBoiler1]

He knows Biden and Harris are weak and he is going all in. God help us. If we back him into a corner and leave no escape hatch he could go nuclear.

His escape hatch is to remove the democratically-elected Ukrainian government by force and then install a puppet government subservient to him. Unfortunately, I think he has more resolve than NATO to see this through and achieve his aims. He will lose lots of men and equipment but he has a much larger force than Ukraine does. He has deeper reserves than Ukraine does. All of the munitions flowing in from NATO countries will certainly help, but Ukraine doesn’t have the trained manpower to withstand a long siege. Ukraine has put up a good fight do far.

 

[guidelinesa2]

His escape hatch is to remove the democratically-elected Ukrainian government by force and then install a puppet government subservient to him. Unfortunately, I think he has more resolve than NATO to see this through and achieve his aims. He will lose lots of men and equipment but he has a much larger force than Ukraine does. He has deeper reserves than Ukraine does. All of the munitions flowing in from NATO countries will certainly help, but Ukraine doesn’t have the trained manpower to withstand a long siege. Ukraine has put up a good fight do far.

But what if he is stopped? What if his invasion is blunted and we crush him economically?

Will he threaten to launch against us if we don't surrender Ukraine?

Read their rhetoric its very scary. We need to keep him from wanting to destroy the world for destroying Russia. That is the road we are going down.

Why the **** was Hunter Biden on a Ukrainian gas company Board of Directors? Why is the US meddling in Russias front yard? These guys are not the Soviets trying to bring down the West. Its not worth a nuclear conflict.

 

[SDBoiler1]

But what if he is stopped? What if his invasion is blunted and we crush him economically?

Will he threaten to launch against us if we don't surrender Ukraine?

Read their rhetoric its very scary. We need to keep him from wanting to destroy the world for destroying Russia. That is the road we are going down.

Why the **** was Hunter Biden on a Ukrainian gas company Board of Directors? Why is the US meddling in Russias front yard? These guys are not the Soviets trying to bring down the West. Its not worth a nuclear conflict.

Working in hypotheticals here is not very helpful - unless you have SIGINT and other intelligence data on his inner circle’s thought processes with all this.

To me, this seems like Russia checking to see the UN’s and NATO’s resolve and reactions. He may well be surprised at how seriously things are being taken, outside of moving our’s/NATO’s troupes into Ukraine.

 

[guidelinesa2]

Working in hypotheticals here is not very helpful - unless you have SIGINT and other intelligence data on his inner circle’s thought processes with all this.

Wake up! What do you do in this scenario?

Russia has over 6,000 warheads. They absolutely could hold us hostage over Ukraine. What do we do if we put them in a situation wheee the existence of Russia is threatened and they play the nuclear card?

 

[kvc]

Wake up! What do you do in this scenario?

Russia has over 6,000 warheads. They absolutely could hold us hostage over Ukraine. What do we do if we put them in a situation wheee the existence of Russia is threatened and they play the nuclear card?

Return suit. Only option at that point.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Wake up! What do you do in this scenario?

Russia has over 6,000 warheads. They absolutely could hold us hostage over Ukraine. What do we do if we put them in a situation wheee the existence of Russia is threatened and they play the nuclear card?

Hold us hostage how exactly? If he goes nuclear, Russia is f$&@ed and he knows it. (The entire world could be f$&@ed.). He knows what happens if he takes that step.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

His escape hatch is to remove the democratically-elected Ukrainian government by force and then install a puppet government subservient to him. Unfortunately, I think he has more resolve than NATO to see this through and achieve his aims. He will lose lots of men and equipment but he has a much larger force than Ukraine does. He has deeper reserves than Ukraine does. All of the munitions flowing in from NATO countries will certainly help, but Ukraine doesn’t have the trained manpower to withstand a long siege. Ukraine has put up a good fight do far.

Here's his problem....up to 35% or more of his ground forces are paid mercenaries, who are paid from 80,000 rubles up to 300,000 depending on experience. With money shut off to Russia, they'll soon be getting smaller checks if they get any at all. And I think if we can get weapons to the Ukraine army, this will last a long time.

 

[guidelinesa2]

Hold us hostage how exactly? If he goes nuclear, Russia is f$&@ed and he knows it. (The entire world could be f$&@ed.). He knows what happens if he takes that step.

How is Russia ****ed? Who has more to lose in a scenario where we economically nuke Russia and they launch?

 

[SDBoiler1]

How is Russia ****ed? Who has more to lose in a scenario where we economically nuke Russia and they launch?

It’s called Mutual Assured Destruction. If he lobs nukes he will get them in return. He knows that.

 

[guidelinesa2]

Return suit. Only option at that point.

And we have more lose in that scenario. They have a huge missile advantage over us, and China will be waiting in the wings.

The way out of this is to give Putin a way to "win"

 

[guidelinesa2]

It’s called Mutual Assured Destruction. If he lobs nukes he will get them in return. He knows that.

But it isn't, they have many more nukes than we do and far less to lose.

Wake the F up.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

But it isn't, they have many more nukes than we do and far less to lose.

Wake the F up.

His demise has to come from within. The Billionaires have called for him to stop what he's doing because they have a lot of money they can't get to.

 

[SDBoiler1]

But it isn't, they have many more nukes than we do and far less to lose.

Wake the F up.

We have more than enough nukes to turn Russia into glass.

 

[SDBoiler1]

His demise has to come from within. The Billionaires have called for him to stop what he's doing because they have a lot of money they can't get to.

People in Russia are starting to protest. I agree about the Oligarchs too. They are already starting to scream about the sanctions, and they just kicked in.

 

[guidelinesa2]

His demise has to come from within. The Billionaires have called for him to stop what he's doing because they have a lot of money they can't get to.

Ok, so yet another way to cause him to go suicidal.

The only way to solve this is a ling term solution where he gats a win now, and loses over time and goes peacefully. Ukraine is not worth WW3. The pride of NATO is not worth WW3. Our regime is decadent corrupt and perverse and is not exactly morally clean either.

 

[guidelinesa2]

People in Russia are starting to protest. I agree about the Oligarchs too. They are already starting to scream about the sanctions, and they just kicked in.

What leverage does the ogliarchs have?

The west is stealing their assets, turning them against us. Idiocy.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Ok, so yet another way to cause him to go suicidal.

The only way to solve this is a ling term solution where he gats a win now, and loses over time and goes peacefully. Ukraine is not worth WW3. The pride of NATO is not worth WW3. Our regime is decadent corrupt and perverse and is not exactly morally clean either.

He's playing NATO and our Pres and Sec of Defense Austin (worst ever) like a finely tuned violin using the nuke threat early on.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

What leverage does the ogliarchs have?

What leverage does the ogliarchs have?

The west is stealing their assets, turning them against us. Idiocy.

The west is stealing their assets, turning them against us. Idiocy.

Stealing their assets? You mean those assets given them through Putin's corrupt government on the backs of the dead folks they've watched die?

 

[SDBoiler1]

What leverage does the ogliarchs have?

The west is stealing their assets, turning them against us. Idiocy.

You don’t understand Russian society very well.

 

[guidelinesa2]

You don’t understand Russian society very well.

Really? My best friend was born in Minsk and his wife is from Kiev. I understand far better than you.

You don't understand how ruthless they are.

 

[Droid12345]

He knows Biden and Harris are weak and he is going all in. God help us. If we back him into a corner and leave no escape hatch he could go nuclear.

If Biden and Harris are weak, what do you have to worry about? They won’t back him into a corner, they’d have to be strong to do that, right?

 

[guidelinesa2]

If Biden and Harris are weak, what do you have to worry about? They won’t back him into a corner, they’d have to be strong to do that, right?

Because Putin knows he could launch on us and they would break down in fear. With Trump, he knew that Trump would unleash hell, but also not push him. Biden is a tyrannical coward, he wants to destroy Russia and hates Putin, but is also weak.

The solution is the feed Putin with along spoon. That was Trumps approach, feed his ego but provide deterrence. Biden is a coward and might have a heart attack under pressure, Putin might think he could actually win.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Ok, so yet another way to cause him to go suicidal.

The only way to solve this is a ling term solution where he gats a win now, and loses over time and goes peacefully. Ukraine is not worth WW3. The pride of NATO is not worth WW3. Our regime is decadent corrupt and perverse and is not exactly morally clean either.

You’re suggesting that the US and NATO just allow Putin to do what he wants in Ukraine? If you do nothing now, he will not stop. He will invade more countries. He will decide that the US and NATO don’t have any resolve. This would be like Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement strategy with Adolf Hitler - it didn’t work, did it?

 

[guidelinesa2]

He's playing NATO and our Pres and Sec of Defense Austin (worst ever) like a finely tuned violin using the nuke threat early on.

Of course they are weak and incompetent. This is why I was waking up every night in a cold sweat in November 20 and now again. The US is in incredible danger with these totally unqualified and deranged people in power in DC

 

[guidelinesa2]

You’re suggesting that the US and NATO just allow Putin to do what he wants in Ukraine? If you do nothing now, he will not stop. He will invade more countries. He will decide that the US and NATO don’t have any resolve. This would be like Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement strategy with Adolf Hitler - it didn’t work, did it?

NATO should never have expanded into those eastern European countries in the first place, this provoked this confrontation.

This confrontation has been foreseen for 30 years.

Ukraine is not a NATO ally. We cannot force Putin into a no win situation for him where he goes beserk and launches. Russia invaded Hungary in the 60s and elsewhere, but we avoided WW3 and won in the long run, that has to be the answer now.

Putin does not have the military power to invade the West. There is no threat to NATO right now.

 

[guidelinesa2]

You’re suggesting that the US and NATO just allow Putin to do what he wants in Ukraine? If you do nothing now, he will not stop. He will invade more countries. He will decide that the US and NATO don’t have any resolve. This would be like Neville Chamberlain’s appeasement strategy with Adolf Hitler - it didn’t work, did it?

In the Pacific we caused the confrontation with Japan by doing the opposite, seeking to constrain its strength and posing as a colonial occupier. Japan launched a suicidal war based on pride and foolishness. We can't allow our arrogance to provoke Russia. They are not a threat to the world so long as we give them space. Putin will be gone soon enough.

 

[PurdueFan1]

Of course they are weak and incompetent. This is why I was waking up every night in a cold sweat in November 20 and now again. The US is in incredible danger with these totally unqualified and deranged people in power in DC

Well I sure hope you can find your safe space. 🙄

 

[TheCainer]

In the Pacific we caused the confrontation with Japan by doing the opposite, seeking to constrain its strength and posing as a colonial occupier. Japan launched a suicidal war based on pride and foolishness. We can't allow our arrogance to provoke Russia. They are not a threat to the world so long as we give them space. Putin will be gone soon enough.

Why don't you take your rubles and move back to Moscow? You're both worthless.

If we give in to Putin's threats, you'll be the first to cry how weak Biden is. Gimme a break.

 

[BuilderPurdueFan35]

Of course they are weak and incompetent. This is why I was waking up every night in a cold sweat in November 20 and now again. The US is in incredible danger with these totally unqualified and deranged people in power in DC

You don’t wake up in a cold sweat every night about January 6th? Get with the program.

 

[purduepat1969]

No he isn’t.

His plan is to go into Moldova next. He'll eventually start chipping away at weaker NATO countries, maybe not militarily right away. But he'll send in merc forces to disrupt just like he did in Eastern Ukraine. And he'll claim plausible deniability.

No one thought Hitler was dumb enough to invade the Soviet Union. No one thought Hitler would be dumb enough to invade France. He did both.

 

[guidelinesa2]

Why don't you take your rubles and move back to Moscow? You're both worthless.

If we give in to Putin's threats, you'll be the first to cry how weak Biden is. Gimme a break.

Germany in 1939 did not have 6,000 warheads and the ability to incinerate the western world. You can not make Putin a pariah and them expect him to act responsibly.

Biden's weakness and stupidity brought us here. But now that we are facing war, we need to avoid it as much as possible, Biden is a dangerous fool and can get many many Americans killed with his blunders in a time of war. The lessor of two evils at this point.

 

[guidelinesa2]

His plan is to go into Moldova next. He'll eventually start chipping away at weaker NATO countries, maybe not militarily right away. But he'll send in merc forces to disrupt just like he did in Eastern Ukraine. And he'll claim plausible deniability.

No one thought Hitler was dumb enough to invade the Soviet Union. No one thought Hitler would be dumb enough to invade France. He did both.

Hitler had to invade the USSR because he needed oil to fight a protracted war. That war made some strategic sense because he was both overconfident and desperate for resources

 

[gr8indoorsman]

His plan is to go into Moldova next. He'll eventually start chipping away at weaker NATO countries, maybe not militarily right away. But he'll send in merc forces to disrupt just like he did in Eastern Ukraine. And he'll claim plausible deniability.

No one thought Hitler was dumb enough to invade the Soviet Union. No one thought Hitler would be dumb enough to invade France. He did both.

Sure, I know history. He’s not going into NATO countries, and his military isnt nearly what Hitler’s was relative to the rest of Europe at the time.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

He would like to move into one or more NATO countries but he’s not dumb enough to do that. He knows what that would mean - WW III and the greater likelihood of a nuclear conflict.

Exactly. Putin is not a madman.

As others have said, short of committing ground troops (which we should not in Ukraine), this will be stopped from within.

But I think it is going to be important to Putin that he is able to save face in however this ends. For the most part, I think this is about an old man confronting his own mortality and trying to cement a legacy in Russian history by bringing Ukraine back into the fold.

 

[gr8indoorsman]

Ukraine doesn’t have the trained manpower to withstand a long siege.

Russia doesn’t have trained manpower to sustain a long siege. Most of their army is conscripted and poorly trained.