So, in other words, you are saying the fatherless problem which is largely endemic to blacks will be difficult if not impossible to fix. let me ask you this. What changed in the black community between say 1920 and 2020? I am referring to the % of fatherless black households.
Fatherlessness - a plaugue on America
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That’s just dumb. Black boys with no fathers are the reason gang and gun violence plagues Democrat run cities.
I would also use as a cultural example the many, many cases of black men in the NBA, NFL or entertainment who father several children by several different women.
This is not the case with white players in the NFL, NHL or white entertainers.
It’s cultural.
I agree, it takes 2 to tango, but the culture of having children out of wedlock and then not taking responsibility for those children is the major problem.
And yes, I have spent plenty of time in the hood when I worked on the south side. And, I worked in healthcare, so I saw single women dragging around 3,4,5 kids to the clinic on a daily basis.
Drugs, drugs, and drugs. Throw in the gangs fighting for territory to sell these drugs. The organized crime families of the mafia facilitated this to make money. The gangs started here and there in the 50's and 60's. Escalated in the 70's. During this time, the organized crime organizations continued to subcontract the gangs to sell the dope. By the 80's the crack epidemic hit. The crack epidemic further decimated the black community. Compound that with possession of 2 grams crack cocaine had a more harsh sentence than a white person in the suburbs with 200 grams of powder cocaine. So with the drugs, gangs and incarceration family values diminish and you end up with fatherless children. Mainly due to the father involvement in the gang activity or incarcerated. Then the cycle repeats itself. Nobody talks about it much but these kids that grow up in these environments in my opinion have PTSD due to the violence they see and experience since birth. With PTSD now you have behavioral issues in school. Perhaps low self esteem particularly the girls.
Solve your peer's problem then....without taking government money for having fatherless kids. Are you willing to neuter any deadbeat dad who sires more than two? Then you can have all the sex you want without worrying about anything other than STD's.
I have black friends whom we go out to dinner with, go to movies, share time at each others home. I've coached several black baseball players, helping some play at the next level. I've worked with many who call me friend and I do the same. But none of those have sired kids they don't raise. Those aren't the one's I defend like you do.
Once again, you don't put the blame where it belongs. Blacks have the same right to say "NO" as I do or any other white person has. Drug dealer shows up in my area, we as a neighborhood go to the police and talk about it. You could do the same in your neighborhood, but you don't. You choose to blame whitey, the gangs, the government.
It starts with you...one person willing to run the low life bags of shit out or your kids neighborhood. ONE. If you know where the drugs are, or the guns that are illegal, all you gotta' do is report it. No one would even know it was you.
Not doing so is a cop out
How have I defended them. I've always said that these folks have to help themselves. Ask your black friends what their opinion is on how to solve the fatherless issue in some of these black communities. Perhaps they have some insight that is reasonable.
Didn't think I'd see the day on this board when folks would be advocating for literal crimes against humanity, at least as recognized by most of the world, but here we are. I guess the fact that the US removed it's signature from the relevant treaty in 2002 (along with that other bastion of human rights, Russia) means that we could actually do that, though, with no international consequences. So, I guess that's a plan?
Side note: it's an interesting coincidence that we remove our names from a treaty that declares torture to be a crime against humanity right around the time that "enhanced interrogation techniques" entered our vocabulary.
Yeah like all these unwanted children left on their own arent a crime. Blacks should line up to be neutered for free and only have stds to worry about. I had a teacher friend telling me about HS black girls fighting over who could be ***********s baby mama. Crime against humanity? Check your outrage at the door idiot
You want to whine about possible solutions to a national travesty to kids, and to a society, but yet you have no solutions which allows the travesty to continue, for kids of multiple generations to be lost and abandoned. What about the crimes for them?
So....let's just let the breeders keep on breeding. Sorry if this offends, but I see generations of kids being tossed aside when they could become doctors, engineers, lawyers and teachers and productive members of society and positive lives for them.
Dude, he is a liberal. He has no clue but feels the need to post it. Crimes against humanity? There is a list as long as my arm I could list before neutering people from any race having more than 2 kids that they really didnt want to begin with, other than getting a welfare check or one up on *************s bitch
I agree with you that leaving unwanted kids "on their own" is a crime, and when that happens, there are legal means by which those kids can be removed from a bad situation. A kid who grows up with a single parent is not necessarily "on their own," though. Thankfully, there are also programs in place that help mitigate that problem by providing support to those who need it. Of course, those are the programs you and others in this thread want to get rid of because they require financially supporting the parents whose behavior you disapprove of. Can't have it both ways. If you want to help the kids and set them up to make informed decisions when it's their turn, you have to help the parents. Simply saying "don't have kids if you're poor" is all well and good, but does nothing to help kids who are already in that situation, which makes them more likely to make the same decision their parents did.
And I don't believe I expressed any outrage. Simply pointed out the forced sterilization program Twin and others in this thread have suggested would be recognized by most world governments as a crime against humanity, by definition. I wasn't throwing out a scare term. Anyone advocating for such a program is necessarily adopting the position that humans (or at least black humans) do not have the right to determine their own reproduction.
I wonder if said sterilization program would also be applied to well-off white guys who have more than 2 kids out of wedlock or if it only matters if the kids grow up poor and/or black. What about when it's a poor black guy who gets more than one woman pregnant, but the women decide to have an abortion (at least as long as that remains legal, I guess we'll see what happens there)? Is the man required to get a vasectomy because he got too many people pregnant? Or does it only count if the women choose to have the child?
And your anecdote about your teacher friend is just that, an anecdote. Do you know the context of the conversation? Were they literally talking about having the guy's kids? Or were they using colloquial language to say they wanted to date him? I don't know, but I doubt you do, either. I taught in a majority/minority high school for 10 years and never heard a similar conversation. Also anecdotal, but based on a much larger sample size than yours.
I havent a doubt about said conversation and its a culture thing. There were white chicks too. Are you that blinded ? I see no problem fixing irresponsible parents at all. Most effective of any course of action. It isnt like it happens by accident. People love cats and dogs like people but have no problem having them fixed and making some one unable to reproduce vs fixed isnt even a valid discussion.
It's a possible solution like getting rid of all Muslims is a possible solution to Islamic terrorism. It'd work, I guess...
There's not much sense in going through things that I think might help, because they require, like, actually trying to find ways to help people and you all don't seem to be interested in that. But, I mean, advocating for forced sterilization? Really? It is, by definition of most countries in the world, a crime against humanity. I didn't invent the term, nor did I make the decision to apply it to forced sterilization. For reference, you NOT thinking forced sterilization is a crime against humanity puts you in line with China, Russia, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Libya, and Turkey, among others. These are definitely the countries we should look to for our cues about human rights, I guess?
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Ok, well we disagree here. I'm not ok with that solution. And people, black or otherwise, are not cats nor dogs. There are many rights we afford to human beings that we do not afford to pets.
This has gotten so ridiculous, I'm out. Have a good night.
So, how do you hold people accountable for making really bad decisions? And how do you prevent those same people from making those poor decisions over and over?
But, my first question to you would be: Do you think the fact that 72% of black children are born to single mothers is a (the) major problem facing black America?
Too bad we won't all take a look at this thread in twenty years. I'm not defending the trend of fatherless black households but the same is trending among low income white women. Because of drug use and a number of other factors I'm seeing a large number of white girls with one or more kids struggling to provide homes without a male present. In many cases their choice of sex partners would not result in good role models for the kids if they'd stayed but this is no longer a blacks only problem
Sorry snowflake. As a lefty lib dem, you want to keep as many blacks as possible dependent on the govt and providing a reliable voting base. You certainly don't want to see this problem solved because then who would white liberals be able to rely on?
Regardless of race, doesn't our government's policies actually encourage the fatherless family lifestyle? What if they didn't have Food Stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid, herds of kiddy-huggy social workers? And Biden's Build Back Better legislation now wants to give cash rewards for each additional child born out of wedlock.
That's not what the national statistics say. This is still a black problem, by a wide margin.
Granted, if you're poor, uneducated, and unmarried, you shouldn't be having kids regardless of skin color, but this particular societal ill is a cultural issue in the black community to the tune of 72%.
Agreed. I know stats havent caught up with it yet......But started out working in inner city projects in Indianapolis. Saw it there. Now moved to rural area and see it there still, but expanded to all races I worked with.
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That is what I eluded to in one of my earlier responses. Low income whites seem to go under the radar and single white mothers are no different. Not sure if it make sense but at the same single white women are glorified with reality TV shows. I think one is called "16 and Pregnant". But at the same time single black mothers are demonized. Then you have some fools in this forum that want to sterilize them.
I think you are assuming their fathers are white.
There is no doubt that our culture is in a wholesale decline due to the policies of the marxist left.
More leaving sterilization as an option. I'd have no trouble with tax money going to any one that wants one that is free, meeting certain criteria that has been discussed here.
I'm not assuming anything. Black males do not have the sole franchise to stick it in every willing female. White guys are no less immoral or irresponsible.
When white teens are car jacking, shooting, looting stores on Michigan Avenue, mugging people on the L, etc, then you can tell me the single motherhood is the same in the white community as it is in the black. (because you, I, and everyone knows it's not...including the statistics).
You might want to check the percentages on that and especially multiple violators. Kids do stupid shit but tell me how many white guys have 6 kids with 6 different women vs black? That was just a number to throw out but in general they at least wise up after a couple. It happens but not worn as a badge of honor . What is the percentage of the latest trend of hyphenated names of athletes black vs white? I don't recall any. I remember hearing Frank Broyles calling the name Bill Boy Bryant for Texas back in SWC days but that was southern for JR. Brown people are good at sticking it in anywhere but their still more family oriented. The whole notion that calling out black behavior is all racism is crap. There are things they need to take accountability for before blaming racism on all their problems.
Woah.....my statement includes white, black, asian, hispanics, and any other group who would do this. The world needs far fewer out of wedlock children, tossed aside by worthless fathers and in some cases....mothers. Nice try to make it only about black kids. And like I've asked others....where the hell is your solution?
BNI, I give you a lot of credit. You come on here and calmly discuss the same topics over and over again with people that talk about your “massah,” refer to you as boy, claim to know your experiences & culture because they played a game of pickup basketball with a couple of black guys, and on and on. Yet you just calmly respond, which you know gets under their skin, and eventually they’ll just start to insult you. You have my respect sir.
BNI....you need to face reality. No one is blaming just black moms, nor are we allowing whites to be less scrutinized than black mothers. If a white guy impregnates six women AND FAILS TO SUPPORT THEM, take away his ability to make more.
And if a white women has multiple kids out of wedlock and it's costing taxpayers and causing undue stress and angst on those kids.....same treatment for her.
Quit looking at race brother. As one who coached kids of all races for years, and as one who is now on our local youth sports board, I see kids. Not color...and I'm still waiting on your solution for ALL CHILDREN.
Hardly. It's about kids dude. But yet, ya'll continue to be slaves to the democrat party, continually voting for the same folks year after year. As I asked before.....where the hell is your solution? And why haven't you been active in eliminating the gangs, the drugs, the absent fathers who pay no support?
Lefty, libs and dems won't answer that question and they're not willing to address the issue. Keeping a segment of the population dependent on the govt helps them on election day, especially from the suckers who believe the govt programs are helping those individuals. (when in reality, most of these govt programs just enable).
The statistics show that young black men are an order of magnitude more violent than other races
despite being only 13% of the overall population, blacks commit over 55% of all violent crimes. A vast majority of those crimes are committed by black males 15-35. I'll bet my paycheck that 80-90% of those come from an unwed mother.
It's a serious societal program.
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