Ex-Trump campaign manager Manafort charged in 12-count indictment
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Where's the quid pro quo? Two events happened.......the Clinton Foundation recieved donations from some Russians and Rosatom bought UO with our approval. HC had one out of nine votes on CFIUS......which is one of several agencies that had to approve. How could she be paid for a transaction where SHE DID NOT CONTROL THE OUTCOME?
The UO deal was not a big deal at the time, that's why it went through. Btw, you realize that the ore from Wyoming and Utah is of poor quality......that it isn't 20% of America's uranium, only CAPACITY at the time, not our reserves or production.......that it can't be exported...... that the real coup for Rosatom was getting UO's profitable mines in Kazakhstan in the deal........thats there LOTS of Uranium in the world, more being discovered everyday.
So the transaction got approved cause it wasn't a big deal. IF Mueller had informed all the agencies there was an investigation into the bribery and kickbacks the deal might have failed. ....that was the only way. Therefore, one has to believe Hillary was in cahoots with Mueller to keep the investigation quiet so the deal would happen. I guess she did this for the money. .......except most of the 145 million came from a former UO investor 18 months before HC became SOS and 3 years before the deal. As for the rest, I assume the Russians were trying to gain favor with the next possible president.
So to have your quid pro quo, you have to believe either 1)Hillary got everyone on the CFIUS and all the other agencies to go along for some reason, no one involved has said she even mentioned it 2) and/or Mueller kept the investigation secret to benefit the Clintons. All you are doing is putting together events and calling it criminal because Hillary is involved. Nothing more.
Sessions is looking into it as the pubs are screaming for a special counsel........which is not even applicable in this case. We'll see what he does. The FBI does need to explain why they didn't ley anyone know about the investigation.
I can't believe you're trying to cover this much for the Clinton Cartel. This is really shady, even for a politician.
I have been for the last two weeks on this thread, but being so blinded by your hate for Trump, you cannot seem to comprehend where the real Russian collusion and the real shady acts are coming from - in fact, you keep trying to cover for them.
Dealing with you on here is like dealing with a petulant child.
Y'know/ SDBoiler1, it wont be all that long before the Justice Dept., led by that flaming liberal Jeff Sessions, will be doing a PRELIMINARY investigation into whether or not the actual facts of the Uranium One story warrant a FULL investigation by the DOJ. At such time as they announce that it's a dead deal,as anyone even remotely in touch with the facts could understand, rest assured that I'll be back on this thread (along w/Builder Bob ?) to just RAIN shit down on your demonstrable dumbassery. Promise.
Look you are misrepresenting what happened. If you're cool with bribery then fine, but I'm not gonna listen to half the story that you create to try and make the optics better. There was more than donations to the clinton foundation. And her being 1 of 9 votes just does not matter, just like a senator being one of 100. If your senator takes a bribe, he doesn't get to use the excuse, "well, 99 other people voted so it doesn't matter". That's so stupid it's laughable. Just admit you're ok with bribery and russian collusion.
And now the Progressive "peanut gallery" weighs in? You're making an awful lot of assumptions about this, aren't you? Do you have some intel on this you'd like to share?
Link to "more than donations to Clinton Foundation"?
You're saying since she voted yes along with all the others on NCIUS, the departments of Justice, State, Commerce and others.....
AND the Nuclear Regulatory Commission........that somehow makes her responsible for the entire approval of the deal. Therefore the contributions are obviously just a payoff. Lol.
Being one of nine votes does not make her responsible. Either you still don't understand the process or you refuse to accept the facts. Keep howling at the moon.
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DOJ is going to open an investigation into the Clintons' dealings with UraniumOne. Without the Clinton connections, there is no UraniumOne deal at all. They worked for years to get this done with their Canadian and Russian friends. And magically these friends gave huge sums of money to the Clinton Foundation? There was no quid pro quo going on? Surely you're not that naïve.
And I've been trying to get one of you to make a cognitive argument using the facts. No one has. Is there too much reading involved?
Your argument comes down to one thing.....it's Hillary so she has to be guilty. You get your news from Hannity or one of his clones.
I'm not even a Democrat nor did I vote for Hillary. But facts are facts......I would do the same for Trump believe it or not.
Frank Giustra was the primary donor to the Clinton foundation. He sold all his shares in Uranium One 1 1/2 years before Clinton became secretary of State and 3 years before the sale happened.
There is absolutely no evidence that Clinton was even aware of this deal, or that she had any communications with anyone who made contributions, or acted in any way that wasn't consistent with how she would have acted with out any sort contribution. You all act like you enjoy being lied to, or that being able to see some complex conspiracy that defies common sense or basic standards of evidence some how makes you smarter then everyone else.
1. Bill was paid for speeches to a kremlin linked bank promoting uranium one stock. 2. Hillary deliberately did NOT REPORT the donations to her from Ian Telfer DESPITE a written a agreement with Obama to report them all. BUT IT'S ALL A COINCIDENCE! wtf honestly you guys are brainwashed from birth or something. Frank Guistra? lol and who did he sell it to? Ian Telfer! honestly...do you believe this is all coincidence? Please just answer yes or no
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No you wouldn't. Your disdain for President Trump flows forth just like the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC.
I haven't once said "It's HRC, so she has to be guilty". You just choose to ignore the evidence provided by people like TopSecret and myself because it doesn't fit your narrative of hating Trump.
How do you know what's in the Clinton emails? You know, the 30,000 she had sanitized using BleachBit....
1) That's true. Renaissance Capital Group. They talked up the UO stock.....that's what they do as an investment bank. So what?
2) True.....except you say they did it "deliberately". The money came from Telfer's charity and the Clinton Foundation did not disclose it. They also failed to disclose many other donations from all over the world that had nothing to do with UO. They've admitted the mistakes.
Giustra and Telfer formed URAsia Energy. Telfer was chairman. They owned the profitable mines in Kazakhstan. They merged with UO, Giustra cashed out, Telfer stayed on as chairman. UO was bought by Rosatom.......to get the mines in Kazakhstan, not the garbage uranium in the US.
Unless you can tell me how Hillary made sure this deal went through, how she influenced all these people to vote yes, it is a coincidence.
Maybe you can tell me......were all the contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign, Trumps denials about Russian interference, his strange defense of everything Putin, his firing of the man leading the investigation. .....and all the other stuff being looked at by Mueller and Congress.........is that all just coincidence too? It's a bullshit question, but you asked first.
Ha. I will TSB some credit for giving some facts while I disagree with his conclusions. You have provided nothing but Hannity talking points. Evidence lol.
I don't like Hillary, I do hate Trump. I don’t think he should be impeached, don't think he "colluded". Not sure about his campaign.
We'll see what Sessions does with UO. There won't be a special counsel however.
well I have yet to see anything that connects trump to anything illegal as far the election goes...and it's been over a year. Even the guys they charged, the charges were unrelated to the campaign. If there's something specific you'd like my opinion on, let me know and I'd be happy to evaluate it. I'm not in love with trump, I just thought he was miles better than hillary and I still believe that.
But you are sitting here telling me that millions upon millions of dollars to a public official that voted on a deal is coincidence. Do you know what honest services fraud is? Federal courts have generally recognized two main areas of public-sector honest service fraud: bribery (direct or indirect), where a public official was paid in some way for a particular decision or action, and failure to disclose a conflict of interest, resulting in personal gain. I'd love to understand how this does not apply to the uranium one situation.
Wait, so you're suggesting Telfer held Guistra's shares...so that there could be plausible deniability for a deal 1.5 years away (with a different administration)...and then, like, just handed the shares back to Guistra? Do you see a money trail indicating this?
No, Telfer was the chair for Uranium One. They didn't even try to disguise that part of it. They hid the donations.
Right, but the point is that 96% of the donations (from this $145M number that keeps being thrown around) are from a guy who had no shares in the company at the time of the deal.
You simply keep ignoring the decision making part of the equation. I don't know what else to say.
The mining capacity in the US was simply one small part of a much larger deal, there's little value to it. Opponents make it sound like this was the primary acquisition, it simply was not. The 20% mining capacity is now down to 10%. Rosatom was after the Kazakhstan mines. There's no motivation here to pay anyone for the US mines.
Guistra and Bill are good friends. Guistra has been on the clinton foundation board since 2013 and they have been doing philanthropic work since the early 2000s. They even have their own combined "clinton guistra enterprise partnership". The washington post and others have commented on the Guistra's possible "influence" on Hillary's "decisions" as SoS. Their words, not mine.
As for the amount, over 2M in hidden donations ain't peanuts. The hiding could be an accident, but that's a lot of money to forget. More likely, she knew it would arouse suspicion and probably be determined to be a conflict of interest (which of course it is) or would draw the attention of the FBI who already had a bead on some Rosatom people. The non disclosure is absolutely damning because of who provided it and when they did it. Obama and others were already worried about the foundation activities and made her sign that agreement because he wanted to avoid exactly this type of corruption.
There are other facilities associated with this than just mining the raw ore. Look you're just out in right field anyway. The deal was a kickback to clinton foundation pals knowing Russia was going to buy it out. Period. Just because trump and the media have misquoted what happened doesn't make it all above board.
HOW DID SHE INSURE THE DEAL WAS GOING TO THROUGH?
Tired of you dancing around the question that HAS TO BE ANSWERED for there to be a conspiracy and a quid pro quo.
Answer the question or I'm done with this bullshit.
SHE BURIED THE EVIDENCE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT SUSPICIOUS! If you know the history of the CFIUS, they rarely intervene on a deal. If there aren't any red flags...like say a serious conflict of interest with the current Secretary of State...then odds are it goes through.
But it wasn't until years later that these things were known.
1. the extent of fees paid/donations from people associated with UO.
2. that Russia had been planning to acquire 100% of UO through Rosatom.
3. that Rosatom was already under serious FBI investigation at the time of the deal.
She and her foundation buddies buried number 1 and 2. My guess is she had McCabe bury number 3, but nobody knows why the FBI kept it under wraps.
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There is also 30,000 e-mails that may have shed some light on this. We will never know now will we.
Y'know folks, Uranium One does not lend itself to accusations of Clinton wrongdoing being easily rebutted by BuilderBob. With the preponderance of the facts. The loose ends? We'll have to wait for thePRELININARY lookinto by the DOJ. In the meantime, can TopSecret, SD et al regale us all by returning to the yesteryear of Obama being an embedded Muslim terrorist, setting up internment camps all over the U.S. to detain "patriots", and sending the troops to "get all our guns" ??? We all miss that !! I'm sure SD, the "here's your link" guy, can give us his old list. Have at it, SD !!!
BoilerJS: 30,000 e-mails "shedding light" on (Uranium1) ? Uh, you might want to re-check the dates that encompass the missing e-mails. And compare them to the relevant inquiries.
TopSecret: Geez !!! I guess I'm gonna have to go to the ER !! After the incomparable witty put-down by (you're drunk) TopS, I'm gonna need life-saving medical procedures to save me from the injuries he inflicted !! My fu'ng PET IGUANA's got better shit than that !! Give it another try !!
You can just use the "reply" button. then i get a nice little notification that you're in great need of my attention.
TopS : "In need of your attention" ? Naw, if I needed something to occupy my attention on the same level as the ever-popular TopSecret, I'd just find a rerun of HeeHaw. But it would haveto be one with Junior BR-549 Samples.
It was her private email server. She had it before she was SOS and for a while after she left office. She could very well have been using the server during any Uranium 1 correspondence. The inquiries came later but that doesn't mean there wasn't something there. Like I stated before we won't know what was in those bleach bit deleted e mails. I can say we can guess that they weren't all about her daughters wedding. If she is anything like my wife, when my daughters got married, she kept everything.
