Ex-Trump campaign manager Manafort charged in 12-count indictment

[ecouch]

too late on that. The dossier was funded privately and turned over to american and british intelligence. Think about that. You pay an ex MI6 agent money to write a report that says the president elect has been compromised and can be blackmailed by putin and drop it in the FBIs lap. Let that sink in. That is what we are talking about here.

As it looks, democrats tried to use the dossier as a set up for Trump Jr.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-with-trump-jr-offered-him-info-from-firm?amp

So the lawyer met with Hillary, got the document from Fusion GPS, met with Jr., then again met with Hillary.

Interesting op-ed in the WSJ today.

The Fusion GPS dossier was one of the dirtiest political tricks in U.S. history.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/liftin...691bf9ae8dcefc88d&reflink=article_email_share

 

[olafmetal]

You guys really think playing victim is going to get your team off the hook for their idiotic criminal actions? You all are amazing at connecting anyone who ever contributed to the Clinton foundation to all sorts of wacky conspiracies, but completely ignore all the obvious Trump connections with Russia.

The facts are Trumps long time friend and neighbor who ran his campaign was working for the Russians and laundering the money. The Trump campaigns one alteration to the GOP platform was explicitly pro-Russian. Trump felt the need to say he had nothing to do with the Russians when he has a long history of involvement going back to the 80s when it was the soviet union. Selling property to shady Russian oligarchs has been a huge part of his business dealings. Members of his campaign met with Russians and lied about it. They also demonstrated accurate knowledge of upcoming leaks by Russian actors. Trump continually shows more respect and deference to Putin then he does to US intelligence services. More looks to be on its way and some how this all adds up to a nothing-burger to you guys.

Complaining that Clinton's opo-research only managed to find vague rumors of all the shady crap your team was up too and that it opened your team up to being investigated for all the other illegal activities is some of the weakest whataboutism I've ever seen. it reaks of desperation.

 

[SDBoiler1]

You guys really think playing victim is going to get your team off the hook for their idiotic criminal actions? You all are amazing at connecting anyone who ever contributed to the Clinton foundation to all sorts of wacky conspiracies, but completely ignore all the obvious Trump connections with Russia.

The facts are Trumps long time friend and neighbor who ran his campaign was working for the Russians and laundering the money. The Trump campaigns one alteration to the GOP platform was explicitly pro-Russian. Trump felt the need to say he had nothing to do with the Russians when he has a long history of involvement going back to the 80s when it was the soviet union. Selling property to shady Russian oligarchs has been a huge part of his business dealings. Members of his campaign met with Russians and lied about it. They also demonstrated accurate knowledge of upcoming leaks by Russian actors. Trump continually shows more respect and deference to Putin then he does to US intelligence services. More looks to be on its way and some how this all adds up to a nothing-burger to you guys.

Complaining that Clinton's opo-research only managed to find vague rumors of all the shady crap your team was up too and that it opened your team up to being investigated for all the other illegal activities is some of the weakest whataboutism I've ever seen. it reaks of desperation.

You're really stretching here. Stay on point. This is supposed to be about the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) colluding with the Russians to help win the election. So far, there is zero evidence that Trump colluded in any way with the Russians regarding the election. Everything you bring up has ZERO to do with the election (selling property - he's an international real estate tycoon, what a shock he had deals in the past with Russians). The stuff with Papadopoulos is a nothing burger because there is no evidence that the Trump campaign acted on his lead about the information he could get. None.

The stuff with Manafort and Flynn were well before they joined the Trump campaign, same with Flynn. I've said ever since this started (time when Sessions recused himself and Mueller was named) that Manafort and Flynn were likely to be implicated.

The Russians did not hack into the voting systems. They did not change any results.

Yet you seem more than willing to ignore obvious collusion with the Russians regarding the bogus Steele "golden shower" dossier (it only led to the Mueller investigation and to Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign) and the extremely shady UraniumOne deal where the Clinton Foundation was paid $145M by the Russians.

If anybody is desperate, it's the Progressives. Their entire goal in life is to undermine President Trump and his administration. They don't give a damn about governing or the damage they are doing to governmental institutions.

 

[BuilderBob6]

You're really stretching here. Stay on point. This is supposed to be about the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) colluding with the Russians to help win the election. So far, there is zero evidence that Trump colluded in any way with the Russians regarding the election. Everything you bring up has ZERO to do with the election (selling property - he's an international real estate tycoon, what a shock he had deals in the past with Russians). The stuff with Papadopoulos is a nothing burger because there is no evidence that the Trump campaign acted on his lead about the information he could get. None.

The stuff with Manafort and Flynn were well before they joined the Trump campaign, same with Flynn. I've said ever since this started (time when Sessions recused himself and Mueller was named) that Manafort and Flynn were likely to be implicated.

The Russians did not hack into the voting systems. They did not change any results.

Yet you seem more than willing to ignore obvious collusion with the Russians regarding the bogus Steele "golden shower" dossier (it only led to the Mueller investigation and to Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign) and the extremely shady UraniumOne deal where the Clinton Foundation was paid $145M by the Russians.

If anybody is desperate, it's the Progressives. Their entire goal in life is to undermine President Trump and his administration. They don't give a damn about governing or the damage they are doing to governmental institutions.

So there's nothing whatsoever to the Russian investigation but there was OBVIOUS Dem collusion with the dossier? The dossier is ALL bogus? Mueller investigation happened because of the dossier, nothing else? Obama admin spied on Trump campaign......when they were actually following Manafort?
I don't mind an fair argument but you have to use facts.

 

[SDBoiler1]

So there's nothing whatsoever to the Russian investigation but there was OBVIOUS Dem collusion with the dossier? The dossier is ALL bogus? Mueller investigation happened because of the dossier, nothing else? Obama admin spied on Trump campaign......when they were actually following Manafort?
I don't mind an fair argument but you have to use facts.

The fact is, Trump is right. This investigation is nothing more than a witch hunt to try to help explain away why HRC lost in shocking fashion.

If you are paying any attention at all, you'd realize that, yes, the dossier was the reason that the Mueller investigation happened. This has been reported by multiple media outlets.

 

[BuilderBob6]

The fact is, Trump is right. This investigation is nothing more than a witch hunt to try to help explain away why HRC lost in shocking fashion.

If you are paying any attention at all, you'd realize that, yes, the dossier was the reason that the Mueller investigation happened. This has been reported by multiple media outlets.

Please answer this question instead of avoiding it like you usually do. If this is all about Hillary losing, why was it started by the Trump DOJ, why is a Pub Congress investigating it, and why has Congress voted overwhelming to protect Mueller and the investigation? Why?

The dossier wasn't even discussed when Mueller was appointed......don't know if Rosenstein even knew about it. Trump has only himself to blame for the investigation.....firing Comey was the linchpin. The dossier came into play after the appointment and was used by Mueller. Again, facts are important.

 

[olafmetal]

You're really stretching here. Stay on point. This is supposed to be about the Trump campaign (and Trump himself) colluding with the Russians to help win the election. So far, there is zero evidence that Trump colluded in any way with the Russians regarding the election.

Trump's campaign was meeting with Russians and asking them for dirt on Clinton. Trump himself was asking the Russians to help him in campaign speeches. You can call it a joke, but it isn't all that funny when your underlings are all meeting with the Russians. If they weren't colluding it wasn't for lack of trying. There is also some red flags and evidence that Cambridge Analytics and some add buying firms for Trumps campaign could have colluded directly. They are under investigation and a add buying firm was raided a while back. Muller is palying his hand as slow as possible and we will just have to wait, still there is considewrably more smoke around this issue then anything the right was going nuts over

Everything you bring up has ZERO to do with the election (selling property - he's an international real estate tycoon, what a shock he had deals in the past with Russians).

Seems a bit hypocritical when compared to your positions on Clinton's Foundation and speaker fees. At least Clinton has released her taxes and been under extreme scrutiny. I don't expect Trump to fare well under similar conditions.

The stuff with Papadopoulos is a nothing burger because there is no evidence that the Trump campaign acted on his lead about the information he could get. None.

Attempted crimes are still crimes and lying to investigators about the things you did that weren't crimes is also a crime. Papadopoulos has been secretly cooperating with the investigation since his arrest. Their is a very high [probability he's caught other people in lies since then.

The stuff with Manafort and Flynn were well before they joined the Trump campaign, same with Flynn. I've said ever since this started (time when Sessions recused himself and Mueller was named) that Manafort and Flynn were likely to be implicated.

Trump knew what kind of scum Manafort was. He didn't care until he started getting called on it. Trumps administration was warned multiple times from Obama, congress, and the attorney general about Flynn being compromised. They confirmed him anyway. Pences office verified taht they had recieved the information about Flynn before he was confirmed

The Russians did not hack into the voting systems. They did not change any results.

That's generally accepted although not 100% provable. 90% of the time its brought up by republicans as a straw-man anyway.

Yet you seem more than willing to ignore obvious collusion with the Russians regarding the bogus Steele "golden shower" dossier (it only led to the Mueller investigation and to Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign) and the extremely shady UraniumOne deal where the Clinton Foundation was paid $145M by the Russians.

A british spy collecting rumors from Russian sources is not "obvious collusion". Uranium One is a complete nonsense scandal. Even if the allegations were true Russia and the US have all the uranium they need to unilaterally destroy the world many times over. The allegations are in fact not true.The Russian company doesn't have any export rights. I don't really care about the minuscule amounts of uranium that Canadian companies exported to Europe either. There were 14 organizations involved in the deal with only the president having veto power. The secretary of state wouldn't even normally be involved with a deal like this, its really the other departments job to deal with these deals, the state department just has a minor advisory role. The timelines for the contributions don't really make sense and were made by people with minor ties to the businesses but no real stakes in the deal. All the corruption revelations about some of the beneficiaries of the deal occurred long after the deal was made and couldn't of been factored into the original decision.

If anybody is desperate, it's the Progressives. Their entire goal in life is to undermine President Trump and his administration.

more projection. Republican's control all three branches of the federal government so there isn't a lot of governing for the Progressives to do. Pointing out how terrible the Republican's policies and personal actions are do undermine Trump, because Trump deserves and needs to be undermined. He could try to actually act in a semi responsible manner to mitigate that, but he's shown him self to be utterly incapable. Maybe if you can somehow show that someone now completely irrelevant to politics is bad too, you can make people forget what a stinking mass of garbage your political movement has become, good luck.

They don't give a damn about governing or the damage they are doing to governmental institutions.

Wow. You've really reached peak projection here. I'm not sure how many of the tea party republican seven understand how the government works on a school house rocks level. They seem to know how to say "no" and occasionally throw some money to the military industrial complex, just to keep their jingoism credibility so they can accuse people that challenge them of hating the troupes or something. The Trump administration itself is full of epicly unqualified individuals. Truly a new benchmark for getting elected by saying the government doesn't work and then proving it. You have an epa chief who doesn't seem to think poisoning people is all that bad, an education secretary who is profoundly ignorant and also wants to completely privatize education, an energy secretary who didn't think the department should exist, and a long list of others whose primary qualification is being dumb enough to think Donald Trump being a narcissistic, sexual assaulting, sundowning, conman isn't so bad.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Please answer this question instead of avoiding it like you usually do. If this is all about Hillary losing, why was it started by the Trump DOJ, why is a Pub Congress investigating it, and why has Congress voted overwhelming to protect Mueller and the investigation? Why?

The dossier wasn't even discussed when Mueller was appointed......don't know if Rosenstein even knew about it. Trump has only himself to blame for the investigation.....firing Comey was the linchpin. The dossier came into play after the appointment and was used by Mueller. Again, facts are important.

Jeff Sessions did not truly comprehend what his recusal meant. Typically, the DOJ puts limits on what a Special Counsel can look into via-a-vis an investigation. What should have been done by the DOJ is strictly limit the investigation by Mueller to allegations of Russian collusion during the election campaign. In this case, it's simply hire as many D laywers as you can and continue looking into every aspect of Trump and his campaign people, regardless of if their activities were during the campaign, before, or after. There are no temporal or subject limitations to the investigation. And it has become a witch hunt to try to discredit President Trump, plain and simple, because Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and McCabe all have connections back to the Obama Administration and/or the Clintons. Mueller should recuse himself because he was involved in the UraniumOne deal - he was one of the approvers.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Please answer this question instead of avoiding it like you usually do. If this is all about Hillary losing, why was it started by the Trump DOJ, why is a Pub Congress investigating it, and why has Congress voted overwhelming to protect Mueller and the investigation? Why?

The dossier wasn't even discussed when Mueller was appointed......don't know if Rosenstein even knew about it. Trump has only himself to blame for the investigation.....firing Comey was the linchpin. The dossier came into play after the appointment and was used by Mueller. Again, facts are important.

By clear about it - it's the Ds in Congress making a stink about protecting Mueller, and a few Never Trumpers. They have a vested interest in this investigation continuing as long as it can.

 

[olafmetal]

Trump fired Comey, had his admin come up with a reason (he was to mean to Hillary durr..) then went on TV and said it was because he thought the Russia investigation was fake. That is classic cut and dry obstruction of justice. If you don't want to be hunted like a witch maybe don't act exactly like one.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Trump fired Comey, had his admin come up with a reason (he was to mean to Hillary durr..) then went on TV and said it was because he thought the Russia investigation was fake. That is classic cut and dry obstruction of justice. If you don't want to be hunted like a witch maybe don't act exactly like one.

Durrr.....The President can choose to hire or fire people in Comey's position at his discretion. You want to make a bet about Trump being charged with obstruction of justice? I'll bet you he isn't.

What's rich about this is that the Ds wanted to hang Comey from the highest tree after what he did prior to the election. Then when Trump did what the Ds wanted done earlier, Comey is a national hero and what President Trump did was a national disgrace? You guys are truly deluded.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Jeff Sessions did not truly comprehend what his recusal meant. Typically, the DOJ puts limits on what a Special Counsel can look into via-a-vis an investigation. What should have been done by the DOJ is strictly limit the investigation by Mueller to allegations of Russian collusion during the election campaign. In this case, it's simply hire as many D laywers as you can and continue looking into every aspect of Trump and his campaign people, regardless of if their activities were during the campaign, before, or after. There are no temporal or subject limitations to the investigation. And it has become a witch hunt to try to discredit President Trump, plain and simple, because Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, and McCabe all have connections back to the Obama Administration and/or the Clintons. Mueller should recuse himself because he was involved in the UraniumOne deal - he was one of the approvers.

Wrong, again. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. The FBI was investigating bribery and kickbacks from the Russians and didn't tell anyone. I guess your new theory could be Mueller was secretly working with HC......stalling the investigation so she could approve the deal with ONE out of nine votes on the CFIUS?

And no, the special council doesn't typically have limits. Ken Starr anyone?

 

[BuilderBob6]

By clear about it - it's the Ds in Congress making a stink about protecting Mueller, and a few Never Trumpers. They have a vested interest in this investigation continuing as long as it can.

So Ryan and McConnell and Burr just can't stand up to those pesky dems making a stink eh? Maybe they are all never Trumpers too? Flake, McCain, Corker.....they must be Ok with the investigation because they're with the dems and are pissed because Hillary lost too. And Rosenstein, McCabe, Mueller, and Comey are not people who are committed to law and order, they're all never Trumpers who put their hate before their life's work and wouldn't give their loyalty to the POTUS........... who takes the word of the former KGB officer president of Russia over his own intelligence services.
Makes perfect sense.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Wrong, again. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. The FBI was investigating bribery and kickbacks from the Russians and didn't tell anyone. I guess your new theory could be Mueller was secretly working with HC......stalling the investigation so she could approve the deal with ONE out of nine votes on the CFIUS?

And no, the special council doesn't typically have limits. Ken Starr anyone?

Dumb. Don't use Ken Starr investigation as an example. The Rs wanted to hang Slick Willie and the Starr investigation was not limited for time or scope. It was a colossal waste of time and money. In this case, the Never Trumpers and the Ds want to do the same thing and Jeff Sessions bowed to pressure, and without understanding the impact of his decision, recused himself, and allowed a bunch of former Obama and Clinton associates (Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe) to have free reign.

What happened with Ken Starr and what is happening now is not typical at all.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Wrong, again. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. The FBI was investigating bribery and kickbacks from the Russians and didn't tell anyone. I guess your new theory could be Mueller was secretly working with HC......stalling the investigation so she could approve the deal with ONE out of nine votes on the CFIUS?

And no, the special council doesn't typically have limits. Ken Starr anyone?

The UraniumOne deal went through a sham review process in the Obama Adminstration. Mueller had to buy off on the deal in his role at the time in the Obama Administration. That's a fact.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

As it looks, democrats tried to use the dossier as a set up for Trump Jr.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-with-trump-jr-offered-him-info-from-firm?amp

So the lawyer met with Hillary, got the document from Fusion GPS, met with Jr., then again met with Hillary.

Interesting op-ed in the WSJ today.

The Fusion GPS dossier was one of the dirtiest political tricks in U.S. history.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/liftin...691bf9ae8dcefc88d&reflink=article_email_share

There are some really important points about the timing of all this in that wsj article. Things that I brought up on this board last year too...
gave his dossier in July 2016 to the FBI.
summer of 2016 that Jim Comey’s FBI obtained a wiretap warrant on Mr. Page from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Mr. Steele has acknowledged he briefed U.S. reporters about the dossier in September 2016.
20 October 2016 - Clinton states Trump would be Putin's "puppet" on a live debate.

Multiple times now we've seen parts of the justice department weaponized for political purposes on behalf of the clintons.

 

[olafmetal]

There are some really important points about the timing of all this in that wsj article. Things that I brought up on this board last year too...
gave his dossier in July 2016 to the FBI.
summer of 2016 that Jim Comey’s FBI obtained a wiretap warrant on Mr. Page from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Mr. Steele has acknowledged he briefed U.S. reporters about the dossier in September 2016.
20 October 2016 - Clinton states Trump would be Putin's "puppet" on a live debate.

Multiple times now we've seen parts of the justice department weaponized for political purposes on behalf of the clintons.

As often as the justice department was investigating the Clinton's I find it a little bit funny that you think they were acting on their behalf. I've yet to see a good argument about why anything the justice department was investigating didn't deserve investigation. Trying to play the victim every time conservatives are scrutinized probably isn't going to work out side of their fantasy land bubble. Its the same issue with the IRS targeting. The IRS gave extra scrutiny to liberal and conservative groups with political sounding names, but the conservatives tried to claim they were being unfairly targeted for political reasons.

If Trump didn't want to be called a "puppet" he could try not behaving like a useful idiot for the Russians every chance he gets.

 

[olafmetal]

Durrr.....The President can choose to hire or fire people in Comey's position at his discretion. You want to make a bet about Trump being charged with obstruction of justice? I'll bet you he isn't.

What's rich about this is that the Ds wanted to hang Comey from the highest tree after what he did prior to the election. Then when Trump did what the Ds wanted done earlier, Comey is a national hero and what President Trump did was a national disgrace? You guys are truly deluded.

Charging the President is a bit tricky, and politics will probably end up determining what happens instead of the law. Still, Mueller is building a case for obstruction and it will eventually be presented. Trump inexplicably not being able to stay on message is what opened up Rosenstein to being vulnerable to an obstruction charge and creating the special council to cover his own ass.
I didn't like things Comey did in the E-mail investigation, but he did them under intense pressure from political factions in congress and within the FBI. The number of Democrats who wanted Comey fired by Obama or Trump was minuscule, and none would have wanted him fired for the reasons Trump stated on TV.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

As often as the justice department was investigating the Clinton's I find it a little bit funny that you think they were acting on their behalf. I've yet to see a good argument about why anything the justice department was investigating didn't deserve investigation. Trying to play the victim every time conservatives are scrutinized probably isn't going to work out side of their fantasy land bubble. Its the same issue with the IRS targeting. The IRS gave extra scrutiny to liberal and conservative groups with political sounding names, but the conservatives tried to claim they were being unfairly targeted for political reasons.

If Trump didn't want to be called a "puppet" he could try not behaving like a useful idiot for the Russians every chance he gets.

I'm not a Republican. And I'm definitely not a conservative. Good try though. I'm interested in a properly functioning government, not one hell bent on corruptly acting on the will of our "royal" family.

 

[olafmetal]

I'm not a Republican. And I'm definitely not a conservative. Good try though. I'm interested in a properly functioning government, not one hell bent on corruptly acting on the will of our "royal" family.

I don't care how you identify yourself if your drawing on obvious partisan talking points it will get pointed out. Citations unneeded.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I don't care how you identify yourself if your drawing on obvious partisan talking points it will get pointed out. Citations unneeded.

See this is where you show your colors. I've said nothing partisan. Only things that are on the record. Just because you refuse to look at them objectively doesn't mean they didn't happen.

 

[SDBoiler1]

As often as the justice department was investigating the Clinton's I find it a little bit funny that you think they were acting on their behalf. I've yet to see a good argument about why anything the justice department was investigating didn't deserve investigation. Trying to play the victim every time conservatives are scrutinized probably isn't going to work out side of their fantasy land bubble. Its the same issue with the IRS targeting. The IRS gave extra scrutiny to liberal and conservative groups with political sounding names, but the conservatives tried to claim they were being unfairly targeted for political reasons.

If Trump didn't want to be called a "puppet" he could try not behaving like a useful idiot for the Russians every chance he gets.

Give me a break. 99% of the IRA investigations were done against conservative groups. It was all political. And if she had nothing to hide, why did Lois Lerner plead the 5th and essentially refuse to testify?

 

[SDBoiler1]

Charging the President is a bit tricky, and politics will probably end up determining what happens instead of the law. Still, Mueller is building a case for obstruction and it will eventually be presented. Trump inexplicably not being able to stay on message is what opened up Rosenstein to being vulnerable to an obstruction charge and creating the special council to cover his own ass.
I didn't like things Comey did in the E-mail investigation, but he did them under intense pressure from political factions in congress and within the FBI. The number of Democrats who wanted Comey fired by Obama or Trump was minuscule, and none would have wanted him fired for the reasons Trump stated on TV.

Miniscule? After the comments Comey made about HRC, damn near half of Congressional Ds were calling for him to step down. There are LOTS of youtube videos calling for his head.

Trump will not be charged with obstruction. I know you'd love for it to happen, but it's not going to. Mueller will nail Manafort, Flynn (and maybe his son), and potentially Carter Page, although he may have trouble with that one.

 

[BuilderBob6]

The UraniumOne deal went through a sham review process in the Obama Adminstration. Mueller had to buy off on the deal in his role at the time in the Obama Administration. That's a fact.

Then post a link. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. Mueller was the director. Stop posting lies to further your conspiracy BS.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Then post a link. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. Mueller was the director. Stop posting lies to further your conspiracy BS.

You're right, he didn't have to sign off. However...
In 2009, Mueller was investigating a major Russian nuclear corruption scheme that had both compromised a sensitive uranium transportation asset inside the U.S. and facilitated international money laundering. Want to guess the name of the company?
Mikerin was a director of Rosatom’s Tenex in Moscow since the early 2000s, where he oversaw Rosatom’s nuclear collaboration with the United States under the Megatons to Megwatts program and its commercial uranium sales to other countries. In 2010, Mikerin was dispatched to the U.S. on a work visa approved by the Obama administration to open Rosatom’s new American arm called Tenam.

Why does this sound familiar? Rosatom own 100% stake in uranium one. From the NYT "As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."

Between 2009 and January 2012, Mikerin “did knowingly and willfully combine, conspire confederate and agree with other persons … to obstruct, delay and affect commerce and the movement of an article and commodity (enriched uranium) in commerce by extortion,” a November 2014 indictment stated.

However, when the 9 agencies went to vote, no one was notified of said investigation.

Ronald Hosko, who served as the assistant FBI director in charge of criminal cases when the investigation was underway, told The Hill he did not recall ever being briefed about Mikerin’s case by the counterintelligence side of the bureau despite the criminal charges that were being lodged.

“I had no idea this case was being conducted,” a surprised Hosko said in an interview.

Likewise, major congressional figures were also kept in the dark.

Former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who chaired the House Intelligence Committee during the time the FBI probe was being conducted, told The Hill that he had never been told anything about the Russian nuclear corruption case even though many fellow lawmakers had serious concerns about the Obama administration’s approval of the Uranium One deal.

“Not providing information on a corruption scheme before the Russian uranium deal was approved by U.S. regulators and engage appropriate congressional committees has served to undermine U.S. national security interests by the very people charged with protecting them,” he said. “The Russian efforts to manipulate our American political enterprise is breathtaking.”

 

[BoilerJS]

Give me a break. 99% of the IRA investigations were done against conservative groups. It was all political. And if she had nothing to hide, why did Lois Lerner plead the 5th and essentially refuse to testify?

I think you are wrong SD. The IRS scrutinized both Liberal and Conservative groups.
The difference is the Conservative groups got held up or never approved and the Liberal groups got fast tracked.

 

[BuilderBob6]

You're right, he didn't have to sign off. However...
In 2009, Mueller was investigating a major Russian nuclear corruption scheme that had both compromised a sensitive uranium transportation asset inside the U.S. and facilitated international money laundering. Want to guess the name of the company?
Mikerin was a director of Rosatom’s Tenex in Moscow since the early 2000s, where he oversaw Rosatom’s nuclear collaboration with the United States under the Megatons to Megwatts program and its commercial uranium sales to other countries. In 2010, Mikerin was dispatched to the U.S. on a work visa approved by the Obama administration to open Rosatom’s new American arm called Tenam.

Why does this sound familiar? Rosatom own 100% stake in uranium one. From the NYT "As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."

Between 2009 and January 2012, Mikerin “did knowingly and willfully combine, conspire confederate and agree with other persons … to obstruct, delay and affect commerce and the movement of an article and commodity (enriched uranium) in commerce by extortion,” a November 2014 indictment stated.

However, when the 9 agencies went to vote, no one was notified of said investigation.

Ronald Hosko, who served as the assistant FBI director in charge of criminal cases when the investigation was underway, told The Hill he did not recall ever being briefed about Mikerin’s case by the counterintelligence side of the bureau despite the criminal charges that were being lodged.

“I had no idea this case was being conducted,” a surprised Hosko said in an interview.

Likewise, major congressional figures were also kept in the dark.

Former Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who chaired the House Intelligence Committee during the time the FBI probe was being conducted, told The Hill that he had never been told anything about the Russian nuclear corruption case even though many fellow lawmakers had serious concerns about the Obama administration’s approval of the Uranium One deal.

“Not providing information on a corruption scheme before the Russian uranium deal was approved by U.S. regulators and engage appropriate congressional committees has served to undermine U.S. national security interests by the very people charged with protecting them,” he said. “The Russian efforts to manipulate our American political enterprise is breathtaking.”

I know about the investigation. As I said,

Wrong, again. The FBI did not have to sign off on the uranium one deal. The FBI was investigating bribery and kickbacks from the Russians and didn't tell anyone.

I don't know why the FBI didn't tell anyone. There needs to be an explanation. But for this to be on HC, the FBI and Mueller would have had to be in on it with HC.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

I know about the investigation. As I said,


I don't know why the FBI didn't tell anyone. There needs to be an explanation. But for this to be on HC, the FBI and Mueller would have had to be in on it with HC.

I don't think he was in on it to start. I think he ran across some shit and tried to bury it figuring he didn't have all the pieces of the puzzle at the time (he wouldn't have known about the payments just yet as Hillary didn't declare them). But trump's surprise win and dossier = DOH! He probably should not have taken this special position. I don't think he's a bad person but he's too tied up with the history of Russian influence. Hillary and Bill on the other hand...knew exactly what they were doing, and they were almost subtle enough to pull it off.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I know about the investigation. As I said,


I don't know why the FBI didn't tell anyone. There needs to be an explanation. But for this to be on HC, the FBI and Mueller would have had to be in on it with HC.

That's exactly the point. Many believe that Mueller and the FBI either turned a blind eye to what was going on with this shady deal, or that he was actually complicit in making sure no one in the FBI got in the way of it happening. Maybe I didn't use the right wording in saying he had to "sign off" on the deal, but it's deceitful to call me a liar.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I don't think he was in on it to start. I think he ran across some shit and tried to bury it figuring he didn't have all the pieces of the puzzle at the time (he wouldn't have known about the payments just yet as Hillary didn't declare them). But trump's surprise win and dossier = DOH! He probably should not have taken this special position. I don't think he's a bad person but he's too tied up with the history of Russian influence. Hillary and Bill on the other hand...knew exactly what they were doing, and they were almost subtle enough to pull it off.

Mueller goes way back with the Clintons.

 

[ecouch]

Give me a break. 99% of the IRA investigations were done against conservative groups. It was all political. And if she had nothing to hide, why did Lois Lerner plead the 5th and essentially refuse to testify?

I may have missed it, but did liberal groups receive a settlement from the IRS? The IRS apologized to the tea party and conservative groups and are going to fork over close to $4 million.

The IRS admitted it was wrong when it based screenings of the groups’ applications on their names or policy positions, subjected the groups to heightened scrutiny and delays and demanded unnecessary information from the groups, the agreement in the Washington case said.

The IRS “expresses its sincere apology,” it said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...vative-groups-over-irs-scrutiny-idUSKBN1CV1TY

Cross off another talking point.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I may have missed it, but did liberal groups receive a settlement from the IRS? The IRS apologized to the tea party and conservative groups and are going to fork over close to $4 million.

The IRS admitted it was wrong when it based screenings of the groups’ applications on their names or policy positions, subjected the groups to heightened scrutiny and delays and demanded unnecessary information from the groups, the agreement in the Washington case said.

The IRS “expresses its sincere apology,” it said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...vative-groups-over-irs-scrutiny-idUSKBN1CV1TY

Cross off another talking point.

I don't believe so. The only liberal groups that were targeted were ones Obama didn't like.

 

[BuilderBob6]

That's exactly the point. Many believe that Mueller and the FBI either turned a blind eye to what was going on with this shady deal, or that he was actually complicit in making sure no one in the FBI got in the way of it happening. Maybe I didn't use the right wording in saying he had to "sign off" on the deal, but it's deceitful to call me a liar.

Well which one is it? You think you know how this "shady" deal went down. You saying Mueller is complicit with HC? Do you even know the facts or just screaming HILLARY!!!! URANIUM ONE!! DOSSIER!!!!!
The fact is you actually thought Mueller had to approve the deal in an official capacity......you said it twice, even called it a fact. Lame attempt at course correction.
Watch Shep. It's FOX news, you probably saw it already.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/1...ne-scandal-and-makes-a-surprising-conclusion/

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Well which one is it? You think you know how this "shady" deal went down. You saying Mueller is complicit with HC? Do you even know the facts or just screaming HILLARY!!!! URANIUM ONE!! DOSSIER!!!!!
The fact is you actually thought Mueller had to approve the deal in an official capacity......you said it twice, even called it a fact. Lame attempt at course correction.
Watch Shep. It's FOX news, you probably saw it already.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/1...ne-scandal-and-makes-a-surprising-conclusion/

Clintons were paid huge sums of money by people who benefited from her yes vote. It is immaterial that she was not the only one who had to vote.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Clintons were paid huge sums of money by people who benefited from her yes vote. It is immaterial that she was not the only one who had to vote.

Immaterial? Lol. That's how you folks work. Association is all that matters.

 

[Bill4411]

Dumb. Don't use Ken Starr investigation as an example. The Rs wanted to hang Slick Willie and the Starr investigation was not limited for time or scope. It was a colossal waste of time and money. In this case, the Never Trumpers and the Ds want to do the same thing and Jeff Sessions bowed to pressure, and without understanding the impact of his decision, recused himself, and allowed a bunch of former Obama and Clinton associates (Mueller, Rosenstein, McCabe) to have free reign.

What happened with Ken Starr and what is happening now is not typical at all.

Jeff Sessions is an attorney and he realized he might have a conflict of interest in the investigation so he did the only thing he could do under the circumstances he had to recuse himself. Trump may have miscalculated when he appointed Sessions as his AG.

 

[Bill4411]

The UraniumOne deal went through a sham review process in the Obama Adminstration. Mueller had to buy off on the deal in his role at the time in the Obama Administration. That's a fact.

Obama was not an administration that got along with Russia at all. You have stated that Putin hates Hillary.

http://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-ho...1&spJobID=910549551&spReportId=OTEwNTQ5NTUxS0

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Immaterial? Lol. That's how you folks work. Association is all that matters.

"you folks"? Who do you think you are talking to? I know what bribery is. You wouldn't accept any congressman behaving this way. Are you ok with representatives voting based on quid pro quo just because they aren't the only one voting? How ****ing utterly ridiculous!

 

[SDBoiler1]

Obama was not an administration that got along with Russia at all. You have stated that Putin hates Hillary.

http://www.newsweek.com/fox-news-ho...1&spJobID=910549551&spReportId=OTEwNTQ5NTUxS0

In this case, money talks, and the $145M the Clinton Foundation received overrode any dislike the Obama administration had for the Russians.

Putin does hate HRC because she and Obama tried to interfere in the Russian election, throwing support behind Putin's opponent. Yet, if Putin could get access to a portion of America's uranium and plutonium supply this way, you don't think he'd do it?

 

[BoilerJS]

Yet, if Putin could get access to a portion of America's uranium and plutonium supply this way, you don't think he'd do it?
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