For real. Hard pass on anything involving LeBron.Dealing with his crybaby dad would erase any upside of signing his kid....
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For real. Hard pass on anything involving LeBron.Dealing with his crybaby dad would erase any upside of signing his kid....
There is some validity to what you have shared, but, there are some things that (while true) raise questions as well.Dag10, I usually agree with most of your post but I think this is where not just Purdue fans but also the college basketball world at large missed the boat on last years team. At the beginning of the year it looked like we had a really deep team. Heck we even redshirted a top 50 recruit. Furst started out playing really well and we all anticipated Newman being the player he was the year before. But Furst's contributions really fell off and Newman was only a shell of the player he had been in the past. IT starting the first half of the year might have lead many to believe that maybe he was as good or better than Hunter. He wasn't.
By the end of the year guys like Morton, Furst and IT were coming in to give guys a break not because Painter thought they were going to provide a spark. Thompson, Furst, and Morton all averaged less than 3 points per game in conference play and Newman didn't play much after the B1G season started. There were times we struggled at the point but didn't have an alternative. When Sasha went cold at the end of the year, we didn't have a backup plan. So were was all the depth?
We didn't have two equal starting fives, We had two really good centers that split time and two or three guys who came in to give the starters a break. That's it.
On Kaufman redshirting…. I think that points to how deep the frontcourt was. There just wouldn’t have been enough minutes to play 5 guys consistently at the 4/5.There is some validity to what you have shared, but, there are some things that (while true) raise questions as well.
I do think that Purdue had a deep team, and, the decision to redshirt a top-50 recruit supports that...it also raises questions to my initial point.
Furst's failure to develop and continue to contribute and become more of a key player ultimately raises some questions as well.
Newman's falling off raises questions...he still showed himself capable at the end of the year.
IT was never the same after he got hurt early in the year...that said, the decision to take him out of the starting line-up impacted him...directly...but, the team as well...it changed rotations and line-ups and I firmly believe that Purdue was not better in light of it (and, there were more losses after that decision than before it that would be further support of/for that).
I feel like in hindsight, Tre was hurt with how things worked out and went...he was underused if you will.
And, none of that accounts for the defensive woes that were never fixed...or even addressed in ways.
Bottom line...I don't feel like last year was one of the better coaching efforts or performances...there was way more than enough there and to work with for Purdue to not just be really good, but, genuinely great...and, it did not happen ultimately unfortunately. I am not hating or bashing, just sharing my thoughts on the matter(s). Depth in my mind was indeed a strength and existed...there were other things that kept it from becoming what it could/should have been.
I think Purdue had enough to be better than they were but I'm not sure it was because of the depth. It was good enough because we had 3 B1G level players playing on our team. It really hurts that we couldn't find away to have Edey and Williams on the court at the same time. It must have been a train wreck in practice to not even give it a try during the preseason games.There is some validity to what you have shared, but, there are some things that (while true) raise questions as well.
I do think that Purdue had a deep team, and, the decision to redshirt a top-50 recruit supports that...it also raises questions to my initial point.
Furst's failure to develop and continue to contribute and become more of a key player ultimately raises some questions as well.
Newman's falling off raises questions...he still showed himself capable at the end of the year.
IT was never the same after he got hurt early in the year...that said, the decision to take him out of the starting line-up impacted him...directly...but, the team as well...it changed rotations and line-ups and I firmly believe that Purdue was not better in light of it (and, there were more losses after that decision than before it that would be further support of/for that).
I feel like in hindsight, Tre was hurt with how things worked out and went...he was underused if you will.
And, none of that accounts for the defensive woes that were never fixed...or even addressed in ways.
Bottom line...I don't feel like last year was one of the better coaching efforts or performances...there was way more than enough there and to work with for Purdue to not just be really good, but, genuinely great...and, it did not happen ultimately unfortunately. I am not hating or bashing, just sharing my thoughts on the matter(s). Depth in my mind was indeed a strength and existed...there were other things that kept it from becoming what it could/should have been.
There will be many more. It's a shame that Purdue can't compete against the likes of mighty Memphis, or is it Memphis State?For someone that supposedly thought he was better than Purdue after a good aau summer has the he even picked up any new offers outside of Memphis since decommitting? I may be wrong but that seems a little funny to me.
I can see why you have BS in your screen name.There will be many more. It's a shame that Purdue can't compete against the likes of mighty Memphis, or is it Memphis State?
Some might say that "SI" stands for "Stupid Idiot" but not me.I can see why you have BS in your screen name.
Simple google search will answer your question.There will be many more. It's a shame that Purdue can't compete against the likes of mighty Memphis, or is it Memphis State?
It's rhetorical you simpleton. Purdue shouldn't be losing recruits to "Memphis" whatever the F it is.Simple google search will answer your question.
Have you seen the Memphis recruiting classes since Hardaway has been there?It's rhetorical you simpleton. Purdue shouldn't be losing recruits to "Memphis" whatever the F it is.
Have you seen the on court results!? If he only knew how to coach, he might be deadly.Have you seen the Memphis recruiting classes since Hardaway has been there?
No arguments here. This is actually a perfect argument against the Painter Haters Club that think recruiting is more important than coaching.Have you seen the on court results!? If he only knew how to coach, he might be deadly.
Holy crap you're right. Another program out recruiting Painter.Have you seen the Memphis recruiting classes since Hardaway has been there?
I am so lost on this thread and posts, not sure who is arguing for what exactly.No arguments here. This is actually a perfect argument against the Painter Haters Club that think recruiting is more important than coaching.
I am so lost on this thread and posts, not sure who is arguing for what exactly.
The Purdue BS (fitting name) was upset that we couldn’t recruit better than Memphis, because he clearly doesn’t follow college basketball recruiting and didn’t know Memphis has been recruiting at an elite level under Hardaway.I am so lost on this thread and posts, not sure who is arguing for what exactly.
So you are writing him off after only 4 years? Harsh judgement for a coach with a .664 win percentage, who has stellar recruiting, and who also won the NIT. His ceiling is unknown while Painter's has been established.Have you seen the on court results!? If he only knew how to coach, he might be deadly.
Let's see, that seems to be tenet #4 of the math-fanboi type handbook. Just make stuff up. No one ever said "recruiting is all that matters". A good coach and great recruiting can go far. A good coach and middle of the Big Ten recruiting, well you know where that goes. Although one thing that has been proven after 42 years of Kea-nter: recruiting does matter. What other factor could be at work since many of you math-fanboi types say Kea-nter is a great coach. What could be missing? Anybody, anybody know the answer? The only BS here will be the excuses the math-fanboi types come up to explain no FF's in 42 years. I'll even give you a hint: The answer is RECRUITING.The Purdue BS (fitting name) was upset that we couldn’t recruit better than Memphis, because he clearly doesn’t follow college basketball recruiting and didn’t know Memphis has been recruiting at an elite level under Hardaway.
He’s also been one of the posters saying Painter doesn’t recruit well enough and recruiting is all that matters. He’s kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place in this argument.
If you keep this up, you may be able to take over for Patty as President of the PHC!Let's see, that seems to be tenet #4 of the math-fanboi type handbook. Just make stuff up. No one ever said "recruiting is all that matters". A good coach and great recruiting can go far. A good coach and middle of the Big Ten recruiting, well you know where that goes. Although one thing that has been proven after 42 years of Kea-nter: recruiting does matter. What other factor could be at work since many of you math-fanboi types say Kea-nter is a great coach. What could be missing? Anybody, anybody know the answer? The only BS here will be the excuses the math-fanboi types come up to explain no FF's in 42 years. I'll even give you a hint: The answer is RECRUITING.
Just as I suspected from a math-fanboi type, no answers and no substance. Not even a good excuse! Darn.If you keep this up, you may be able to take over for Patty as President of the PHC!
There is no point in giving you an answer with substance (as I did in the other thread many times), because your mind is made up and there is no changing it.Just as I suspected from a math-fanboi type, no answers and no substance. Not even a good excuse! Darn.
P.S. Who's Patty?
Purdue beat two FF teams and won the tournament in CT?I get it. It was all set up for us. We beat Yale, a Texas team that had lost 3 of their last 4 and then lost to St Peters. St Peters lost by 20 to North Carolina. But lets not forget we lost 6 conference games and finished third in the conference. We also lost in the B1G tournament championship game to Iowa, which in turn lost its opening round tournament game to Richmond.
To me our regular season failures were as bad as the tournament. The St Peters game wasn't just a fluke. We were never ranked outside the top 10 but we lost 6 conference games in a conference that didn't have one team advance to the Elite 8 and the B1G was 4th in conference RPI.
Many on this board thought the team was the best Purdue team ever but after we beat Villanova and North Carolina in November we never really did anything. Everyone just kept thinking we should be that good but as it turns out we really weren't. In hindsight I for one question whether Purdue was really ever a top 5 or even top 10 team, because we really never accomplished anything to earn it.
Ever hear of Sharon Versyp? A below average coach and below average recruiter who went to two EE's. How did a below average coach get to two EE's? She did it because she inherited Kristy Curry's great recruits. See how that recruiting stuff works? Can you imagine what a good coach like Painter could have done with the right recruits? He could have transformed Purdue into a nationally prominent basketball power. There is no doubt about it, but that ship has sailed.No arguments here. This is actually a perfect argument against the Painter Haters Club that think recruiting is more important than coaching.
It's because we're not near a beach......and it's cold in the winter.Let's see, that seems to be tenet #4 of the math-fanboi type handbook. Just make stuff up. No one ever said "recruiting is all that matters". A good coach and great recruiting can go far. A good coach and middle of the Big Ten recruiting, well you know where that goes. Although one thing that has been proven after 42 years of Kea-nter: recruiting does matter. What other factor could be at work since many of you math-fanboi types say Kea-nter is a great coach. What could be missing? Anybody, anybody know the answer? The only BS here will be the excuses the math-fanboi types come up to explain no FF's in 42 years. I'll even give you a hint: The answer is RECRUITING.
Funny but you don't have to be near a beach if you are in an attractive destination city like Durham, EL, or Spokane.It's because we're not near a beach......and it's cold in the winter.
You know you’ve lost when you start trying to use women’s sports in your argument.Ever hear of Sharon Versyp? A below average coach and below average recruiter who went to two EE's. How did a below average coach get to two EE's? She did it because she inherited Kristy Curry's great recruits. See how that recruiting stuff works? Can you imagine what a good coach like Painter could have done with the right recruits? He could have transformed Purdue into a nationally prominent basketball power. There is no doubt about it, but that ship has sailed.
You know you are a lost math-fanboi type when you can't understand a universal coaching analogy.You know you’ve lost when you start trying to use women’s sports in your argument.
Wow, summer play didn’t help DGL as much.247 Just published their updated 2023 rankings.
Colvin: 78 to 70
DGL: 58 to 81
2023 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com
Don't let him drop out of the top 100. This thread isn't helping to many arguments on here.247 Just published their updated 2023 rankings.
Colvin: 78 to 70
DGL: 58 to 81
2023 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com
But results on floor have NEVER been better!Holy crap you're right. Another program out recruiting Painter.
He thinks he's being funny by mocking my name. He can't take criticism of Painter so he has has to lash out...Just as I suspected from a math-fanboi type, no answers and no substance. Not even a good excuse! Darn.
P.S. Who's Patty?
No arguments here. This is actually a perfect argument against the Painter Haters Club that think recruiting is more important than coaching.
Xavier Booker went from 6 to 59? Lol these rankings are so jacked up!247 Just published their updated 2023 rankings.
Colvin: 78 to 70
DGL: 58 to 81
2023 Top Basketball Recruits
The 247Sports rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after countless hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network of scouts.247sports.com
They are showing 2 rankings. “Composite” and “straight”. You are looking at the composite number.Xavier Booker went from 6 to 59? Lol these rankings are so jacked up!
Colvin should be a top 50 kid.
Hey wait. I thought he was mocking my name? What the heck?He thinks he's being funny by mocking my name. He can't take criticism of Painter so he has has to lash out...
There is a lot to like with Colvin.Xavier Booker went from 6 to 59? Lol these rankings are so jacked up!
Colvin should be a top 50 kid.
I’d rather have all 3 of them. That would be one hell of a class. Isn’t going to happen. The way Purdue wins MBB NCs is stacking classes of athletic, smart, high-level recruits.There is a lot to like with Colvin.
DGL and Booker are good prospects and all, but I’m glad Colvin is our guy out of the 3.