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So as a devils advocate, I will say that lack of production of guys like Heide and Colvin could be considered a function resulting from Paints offense. There are a ton of plays in the playbook and the vast majority of them are run specifically for 2 or 3 players. Painter repeatedly has said that. He tells recruits that if you are one of my top 2-3 players we’re gonna run stuff for you…
I believe this makes the offense more rigid and predictable. If you are top 3 then things are developed to accentuate your strengths In the plays being run. So in essence things are focusing on your strengths of your game. You aren’t being forced into a role not utilizing your greatest talents.
I’d also say in the two other roles the players aren’t necessarily being used in a manner consistent with optimal utilization of their specific talents. You’re possibly putting a player in a role where some of best skills don’t necessarily fit the role he’s being told to play. He’s still good but are his strengths being utilized to the fullest?
So instead should you design your offense to try to optimize the strengths of all 5 guys and not just focus on 3 with a couple guys forced into roles that don’t involve them as readily and utilize their strengths.
Case in point would be Colvin and Heide being asked to come off the bench and often be utilized as 4-5 option outlet snipers. That can be hard to develop a shooters rhythm on just a few attempts. They are Rarely being looked to for scoring and no plays to get them involved taking advantage of other possible strengths of their individual games besides being pure shooters. No motion offense to create more possible opportunities.
I think both likely possess the ability to drive the ball more than is shown but its limited by the offensive scheme of which I believe Painter is a likely a stickler about following with limited freelancing taking place.
Thoughts?
Agree 100%
 
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Why do you think that?
Everything they do is based on 'winning being enough'. All could likely get paid more in the portal. If this team doesn't make a run I could see the attraction, particularly for Braden and Fletch, to go to a KU or UNC where they'd be surrounded by elite athletes who could theoretically open things up for them by not allowing opponents to focus on them and could potentially give them a better chance at getting back to a FF.

I'm not saying that's likely to happen but you can see the frustration with these guys the last few games. I don't think they need to win the BT to feel good about coming back to Purdue, but if they limp down the stretch and don't make BTT and NCAAT runs, those doubts could start to creep in. I'm not saying they will and I think/hope that they win enough games the rest of the way so that it's not a major issue, but everyone in the country would love to have Braden on their team and Trey and Fletch would also be hot commodities. Retaining those three guys is not without risk.
 
Smith -$3-$5M
TKR - $1.5-$2M

But would TKR thrive in a diff system? How would smith do?
Smith would kill it anywhere.

So would TKR if you know how to use him, and you wouldn’t give him $2 million if you didn’t.

Plus : this could be TKR’s last chance at a nice payday. Not sure what his pro prospects look like as an undersized 5 without a jumper.
 
Everything they do is based on 'winning being enough'. All could likely get paid more in the portal. If this team doesn't make a run I could see the attraction, particularly for Braden and Fletch, to go to a KU or UNC where they'd be surrounded by elite athletes who could theoretically open things up for them by not allowing opponents to focus on them and could potentially give them a better chance at getting back to a FF.

I'm not saying that's likely to happen but you can see the frustration with these guys the last few games. I don't think they need to win the BT to feel good about coming back to Purdue, but if they limp down the stretch and don't make BTT and NCAAT runs, those doubts could start to creep in. I'm not saying they will and I think/hope that they win enough games the rest of the way so that it's not a major issue, but everyone in the country would love to have Braden on their team and Trey and Fletch would also be hot commodities. Retaining those three guys is not without risk.
I love Fletch but I’m not breaking the bank to keep him. He’s more replaceable than the other 2.
 
Nah. Others would see one of the best passers in the history of ncaa and a big who can go score at will.
Agree. This is another example of where winning matters. If Purdue can close the year out strong and make any type of NCAAT run they can sell the narrative of 'we're a piece or two away'. If they limp through the home stretch and don't make the second weekend of the NCAAT that story becomes more difficult to tell.
 
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I love Fletch but I’m not breaking the bank to keep him. He’s more replaceable than the other 2.
Agree on prioritizing Braden and Trey first, but Fletcher isn't replaceable if you want to make a run at a FF/NC next year. He needs to keep progressing physically but I maintain that he's better than Cam Spencer was at Rutgers and Cam played a key role in UConn's run. I also strongly believe that Fletch would be much more productive if other guys were hitting open shots and defenses couldn't key on him.
 
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Smith would kill it anywhere.

So would TKR if you know how to use him, and you wouldn’t give him $2 million if you didn’t.

Plus : this could be TKR’s last chance at a nice payday. Not sure what his pro prospects look like as an undersized 5 without a jumper.
Agree, Braden could go anywhere and be a star. I think there's a real risk that team's with deep pockets could pay big money for Trey and not use him properly. Not that he'd ever go to IU but that's the perfect example of a team that paid to bring in guys with big stats without knowing how to use them.
 
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Smith would kill it anywhere.

So would TKR if you know how to use him, and you wouldn’t give him $2 million if you didn’t.

Plus : this could be TKR’s last chance at a nice payday. Not sure what his pro prospects look like as an undersized 5 without a jumper.
Coleman Hawkins received $2M at Kstate. They do not know how to use him.

Great Osobor got $2M…he’s not worth that.

Teams will be absolutely willing to pay and it doesn’t matter if they know how to use the players.

Braden would be good anywhere, yes, but would he excel as well as he can at Purdue?
 
Smith would kill it anywhere.

So would TKR if you know how to use him, and you wouldn’t give him $2 million if you didn’t.

Plus : this could be TKR’s last chance at a nice payday. Not sure what his pro prospects look like as an undersized 5 without a jumper.
TKR will make a lot of money playing bball post Purdue. Not sure where, but if he wants to pursue that career, he will make a bunch of money…maybe not NBA money, but it’ll be a really good chunk of change.

He’s a different type of player and (while it could be all for show), he seems to really value what he has had and has at Purdue. I’d be shocked if these two left, but then again, it could happen.
 
Everything they do is based on 'winning being enough'. All could likely get paid more in the portal. If this team doesn't make a run I could see the attraction, particularly for Braden and Fletch, to go to a KU or UNC where they'd be surrounded by elite athletes who could theoretically open things up for them by not allowing opponents to focus on them and could potentially give them a better chance at getting back to a FF.

I'm not saying that's likely to happen but you can see the frustration with these guys the last few games. I don't think they need to win the BT to feel good about coming back to Purdue, but if they limp down the stretch and don't make BTT and NCAAT runs, those doubts could start to creep in. I'm not saying they will and I think/hope that they win enough games the rest of the way so that it's not a major issue, but everyone in the country would love to have Braden on their team and Trey and Fletch would also be hot commodities. Retaining those three guys is not without risk.
Interesting points and that’d be super disappointing if they left. It’s a way to learn the grass isn’t always greener…KU and UNC struggling mightily in these NIL days with the playing field more even amongst teams. But I know those are just examples you were using.

I’d have to imagine and believe that having Paint as a coach plays a huge part.
 
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Coleman Hawkins received $2M at Kstate. They do not know how to use him.

Great Osobor got $2M…he’s not worth that.

Teams will be absolutely willing to pay and it doesn’t matter if they know how to use the players.

Braden would be good anywhere, yes, but would he excel as well as he can at Purdue?
It ultimately doesn’t really matter how well they are used… if someone else offers a million more than we can, how does a 21 year old kid turn that down?

I’m a 3rd generation Purdue grad and I would have been GONE.

I may be wrong, and REALLY hope I am.

To quote the late great Thomas Petty:
“most of the things I worry about, never happen anyway”…
 
Everything they do is based on 'winning being enough'. All could likely get paid more in the portal. If this team doesn't make a run I could see the attraction, particularly for Braden and Fletch, to go to a KU or UNC where they'd be surrounded by elite athletes who could theoretically open things up for them by not allowing opponents to focus on them and could potentially give them a better chance at getting back to a FF.

I'm not saying that's likely to happen but you can see the frustration with these guys the last few games. I don't think they need to win the BT to feel good about coming back to Purdue, but if they limp down the stretch and don't make BTT and NCAAT runs, those doubts could start to creep in. I'm not saying they will and I think/hope that they win enough games the rest of the way so that it's not a major issue, but everyone in the country would love to have Braden on their team and Trey and Fletch would also be hot commodities. Retaining those three guys is not without risk.
you think Fletch would be a hot commodity?
 
Agree on prioritizing Braden and Trey first, but Fletcher isn't replaceable if you want to make a run at a FF/NC next year. He needs to keep progressing physically but I maintain that he's better than Cam Spencer was at Rutgers and Cam played a key role in UConn's run. I also strongly believe that Fletch would be much more productive if other guys were hitting open shots and defenses couldn't key on him.
Agree to disagree on pretty much all of this.
 
People see freshmen doing great things and think that all freshmen should be doing that.
It wasn't that many years ago that not a lot of guys played before their upper class years.
Hell, I'm so old that I remember when freshmen weren't even allowed to play. Not sure it would be a bad rule today, but I'm sure somebody would sue because of perceived loss of potential income.
 
Agree to disagree on pretty much all of this.
I completely respect your right to be ill-informed and wrong on this one ;)

All kidding aside, if Painter decided to go a different direction where he doesn't make shooting a priority you're right, they could go a different direction. Fletch is an elite shooter and I don't think fans realize how much the focus that defenses put on keeping him from getting open looks creates opportunities for other players.
 
Agree to disagree on pretty much all of this.
I'm really torn about Fletch, at the start of the year he started strong but it's back to the same being a Dow Jones type player and being a defensive liability. I do think he' s hampered a bit by the O. I always thought he'd be like a Goode type player. Last week I watched the iu - UCLA game, Goode shot like 1 - 7 in 1st half but started the 2nd half w/ like 6 makes in a row.
 
TKR has 1-year left at the 4. Other than Burgess….Purdue needs to address the 4 either via portal or through recruitment of a high school player. It’s too bad the one player we were recruiting who is a 4….chose Auburn. That could be a huge miss.
 
Agree on prioritizing Braden and Trey first, but Fletcher isn't replaceable if you want to make a run at a FF/NC next year. He needs to keep progressing physically but I maintain that he's better than Cam Spencer was at Rutgers and Cam played a key role in UConn's run. I also strongly believe that Fletch would be much more productive if other guys were hitting open shots and defenses couldn't key on him.
Of those 3, Fletch is the most replaceable. Fletch is best as a spot up shooter, but you only have 1 guy trying to create and get him open for looks. What we need are guys who can handle the ball, dribble drive and get the other team into rotations.
 
Coleman Hawkins received $2M at Kstate. They do not know how to use him.

Great Osobor got $2M…he’s not worth that.

Teams will be absolutely willing to pay and it doesn’t matter if they know how to use the players.

Braden would be good anywhere, yes, but would he excel as well as he can at Purdue?
"worth" is all relative.
What's the price of a FF or NC?
If the top 5 teams who spend the most money in NIL don't make the FF or NC, are all the players the paid to bring in deemed "not worth it"?
 
It ultimately doesn’t really matter how well they are used… if someone else offers a million more than we can, how does a 21 year old kid turn that down?

I’m a 3rd generation Purdue grad and I would have been GONE.

I may be wrong, and REALLY hope I am.

To quote the late great Thomas Petty:
“most of the things I worry about, never happen anyway”…
It seems to me painter recruits different types of kids that aren’t in it for the money. I would think TKR and Braden would think long and hard about if they want insta t money now or be better prepared for the future. They could be featured at Purdue and compete for a national championship and another B1G title or risk going somewhere where they aren’t on a very good team. Granted, they could go to a Duke or Auburn and maybe they are super successful, but they may not be.

I have to believe TKR and Braden and all others have good ppl around them.

And not sure why elsewhere is able to offer more due to the cap and still have better players?
 
"worth" is all relative.
What's the price of a FF or NC?
If the top 5 teams who spend the most money in NIL don't make the FF or NC, are all the players the paid to bring in deemed "not worth it"?
Was it worth it for Washington to pay a player $2M when they aren’t goin to make their conference tourney?

Was it worth Kstate to pay Coleman Hawkins $2M to be on the bubble of getting to the NCAAT?

Was it worth it for Rutgers to pay 2 top 3 lotto picks all that money to not make the NCAAT?

If IU paid $6M for their team and they dont make the NCAAT is it worth it?
 
How does Fletch compare to the IN kid who went to UVA about 6 years ago when they beat us in the E8?
Kyle Guy? Guy was a couple of inches shorter but a much better athlete. Shooting percentages were in the same ballpark. UVA had a bunch of NBA guys on that roster so I think Guy got more open looks than Fletch is getting.
 
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