Dino Babers

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

He did too bail. He was offered a position on Sark's staff, and he turned it down. Orgeron is dirty. Not even close to being on Purdue's radar and he never will be.

Babers is a guy with strong Midwest ties and he runs a very attractive style of offense - an aerial attack that fits with Purdue's traditional strengths. He is a good recruiter and he's won every place he's been. He's also beaten 3 BIG schools in 2 years, including Purdue. Purdue could do much worse.

I wouldn't consider that bailing. No way was he going to be a DC or associate head coach on his staff. More than likely it was done due to his success and wanting to keep some continuity with what appeared to be a loved coach by the players.

If you were the stand in CEO of a company and the board decided to bring in a new CEO and they offered you a job in a lower level than what you had before being the temporary CEO, I'm sure you would tell them to shove it.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I wouldn't consider that bailing. No way was he going to be a DC or associate head coach on his staff. More than likely it was done due to his success and wanting to keep some continuity with what appeared to be a loved coach by the players.

If you were the stand in CEO of a company and the board decided to bring in a new CEO and they offered you a job in a lower level than what you had before being the temporary CEO, I'm sure you would tell them to shove it.

Ed Orgeron was the HC for four seasons, three at Ole Miss. Do you even know his record?

Try this on for size -
Ole Miss 10-25/3-21 (3 seasons) - ranked 108/117 or worse in scoring offense for 2 seasons
USC 6-2/6-1 (1 season)
Total 16-27/9-22

This is the guy you want to hire? Why didn't some other school hire him after USC? Maybe it's because they know he's dirty as hell and he's likely to get their school put on probation, in addition to having a poor record as HC overall.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Ed Orgeron was the HC for four seasons, three at Ole Miss. Do you even know his record?

Try this on for size -
Ole Miss 10-25/3-21 (3 seasons) - ranked 108/117 or worse in scoring offense for 2 seasons
USC 6-2/6-1 (1 season)
Total 16-27/9-22

This is the guy you want to hire? Why didn't some other school hire him after USC? Maybe it's because they know he's dirty as hell and he's likely to get their school put on probation, in addition to having a poor record as HC overall.

He is currently a coach st LSU and has been tabbed as one of the reasons their defense has been vastly improved this season.

Also, as I have stated before (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), If you hire Oregeron and get him an OC that is given free reign of the offense, he would be successful. Bon Stitt has openly said he would love to run his offense at the P5 level if he was given that much freedom. It would be a great fit....also, Hoke would be the same type of fit but cleaner (I'm still not sure what issues Oregeron has though).

 

[SDBoiler1]

He is currently a coach st LSU and has been tabbed as one of the reasons their defense has been vastly improved this season.

Also, as I have stated before (can't remember if it was in this thread or not), If you hire Oregeron and get him an OC that is given free reign of the offense, he would be successful. Bon Stitt has openly said he would love to run his offense at the P5 level if he was given that much freedom. It would be a great fit....also, Hoke would be the same type of fit but cleaner (I'm still not sure what issues Oregeron has though).

Nice backtrack.
Orgeron is from LA. I suspect he likes being back in Cajun country. He is a good position coach - not permanent HC material. The idea that Purdue would even think of hiring Ed Orgeron is so ridiculous...

 

[SIBoiler2]

Might as well put this thread to bed. One more win and we'll have the same braintrust in place next year. The only upside is it SHOULD take the next FB hiring our of Borgan Murke's hands.

 

[lbodel]

Might as well put this thread to bed. One more win and we'll have the same braintrust in place next year. The only upside is it SHOULD take the next FB hiring our of Borgan Murke's hands.

I don't know if I'd say it should take the next FB hire off Burke's hands. If Hazell returns, he will have to go to a bowl game next year to justify keeping him again. Purdue's revenues are a big problem and a 3-5 win season is not going to change that.

If he's fired next fall, Burke will not be gone (as of right now).

 

[pboiler18]

I don't know if I'd say it should take the next FB hire off Burke's hands. If Hazell returns, he will have to go to a bowl game next year to justify keeping him again. Purdue's revenues are a big problem and a 3-5 win season is not going to change that.

If he's fired next fall, Burke will not be gone (as of right now).

Except Purdue's revenues ARENT THAT big of a problem. We get the BTN TV money no matter where or how we finish. We are missing out on a lot of gate cash....but have been for 6 years now. That hasn't seemed to temper our spending. We are still building a 60M football facility if we pay a buyout or don't. We are still building that, no matter who the coach is.

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Good young coach, less proven.

I went to school with Les Proven.

Dino Babers 33-15 in 4 seasons as a head coach.
Matt Campbell 33-13 in 4 seasons as a head coach.

Looks as proven.

 

[pboiler18]

I'm good with either^

Lots of good jobs open...

 

[lbodel]

Except Purdue's revenues ARENT THAT big of a problem. We get the BTN TV money no matter where or how we finish. We are missing out on a lot of gate cash....but have been for 6 years now. That hasn't seemed to temper our spending. We are still building a 60M football facility if we pay a buyout or don't. We are still building that, no matter who the coach is.

It's not a black and white issue.

First off, Purdue's revenues ARE a problem. Purdue is not operating in the black and hasn't for the last few years. Yes, Purdue gets BTN money and the overall conference payout. But that only covers so much - although it's certainly saving our butts.

Purdue's expenses have gone up nearly $25 million in the last 10 years. Our ticket revenues are stagnant. Purdue's ticket revenue is at the bottom of the Big Ten. Even a school like Illinois, which hasn't had great football or basketball, has ticket revenue nearly $3 million higher than us. IU's is nearly $3 million higher.

Our football attendance is at the lowest points in 20-30 years. I mean we played Nebraska on Saturday and barely 30,000 people showed up - and you know those weren't all Purdue fans. If that was a game against Rutgers, it would have been one of the lowest attended games ever in the modern era (if not the lowest). If you don't think this is hurting our bottom line, you're crazy.

The football facility is not going to be paid a big lump sum of cash. They'll solicit donations and use money from the new BTN contract coming up. It's like buying a house. They'll pay it off over a decent number of years.

 

[SDBoiler1]

I went to school with Les Proven.

Dino Babers 33-15 in 4 seasons as a head coach.
Matt Campbell 33-13 in 4 seasons as a head coach.

Looks as proven.

They are both good coaches. Babers is older and has more experience coaching. He is from the Art Broyles (Baylor) coaching tree. Campbell is from the Larry Kehres (Mount Union) tree.
One thing I like about Campbell is that he has a good defensive system. Babers is all about passing offense, which plays well at Purdue. Campbell played for a coach who won 11 Div. III Championships, and Campbell himself played on 3 NC teams.

Truth is, Purdue will likely not go after either guy unless Hazell loses out or loses for a third straight time to IU. If he finished 3-9 and loses to IU again, that would likely mean he's gone.

 

[PaBoiler78]

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They are both good coaches. Babers is older and has more experience coaching. He is from the Art Broyles (Baylor) coaching tree. Campbell is from the Larry Kehres (Mount Union) tree.
One thing I like about Campbell is that he has a good defensive system. Babers is all about passing offense, which plays well at Purdue. Campbell played for a coach who won 11 Div. III Championships, and Campbell himself played on 3 NC teams.

Truth is, Purdue will likely not go after either guy unless Hazell loses out or loses for a third straight time to IU. If he finished 3-9 and loses to IU again, that would likely mean he's gone.

like I said earlier in this thread, I prefer Campbell because his team plays D too. They are currently giving up 16.3 pt/gm. I like that a lot .

 

[RegionWarrior101]

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like I said earlier in this thread, I prefer Campbell because his team plays D too. They are currently giving up 16.3 pt/gm. I like that a lot .

Toledo is #1 in scoring defense, #2 in scoring offense in the MAC. Averages 257 per game through the air, 213 on the ground. Toledo is more of a spread run, which I kind of like over Purdue's power run without power run personnel.

Purdue is at 140 rush, 213 in the air and that is HAVING to pass a lot because of deficits.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Toledo is #1 in scoring defense, #2 in scoring offense in the MAC. Averages 257 per game through the air, 213 on the ground. Toledo is more of a spread run, which I kind of like over Purdue's power run without power run personnel.

Purdue is at 140 rush, 213 in the air and that is HAVING to pass a lot because of deficits.

Shoop-ball for you. He says he's not a "stats guy". I know why - the teams he's OC for tend to be mediocre to bad stats-wise. When Tiller was the coach we put up some gaudy offensive stats, especially when Cheney was OC.

 

[MidyearVette]

Purdue is looked at as a dead-end head coaching job. If his desire is to get a big time coaching gig someday, a few years in West Lafayette will ruin that dream.


NOBODY looks at Purdue as a "dead end" job in any sport! Especially coaches at lower level schools. Coach Tiller was in the top 5 throughout his tenure at Purdue in turning out NFL players. Purdue can be successful by hiring a coaching staff that can sell prospects they will be learning the skills necessary to play in the NFL by running a "Pro Style" offense and defense.

 

[uncleboiler]

How many Purdue coaches have ever moved on to a better position?....how many have even been mentioned as a possible hire at a top tier football school or the NFL?....None.
A young coach doesn't see Purdue as an opportunity. Yeah, they can get a "payday" for 4-5 years, but in the end, they'll either retire or go back to being an assistant somewhere after they're fired. That, by definition, is a dead-end head coaching job.

 

[pboiler18]

How many Purdue coaches have ever moved on to a better position?....how many have even been mentioned as a possible hire at a top tier football school or the NFL?....None.
A young coach doesn't see Purdue as an opportunity. Yeah, they can get a "payday" for 4-5 years, but in the end, they'll either retire or go back to being an assistant somewhere after they're fired. That, by definition, is a dead-end head coaching job.

We were also lucky to avoid the coaching carousel when Tiller was here. Obviously Hope and Hazell have us in a different position than that but it's truly hard to compare this era in football/college football to previous eras.

If Tiller weren't sunsetting when he got here I think he'd have definitely garnered big time interest. Didn't he make it clear that Purdue was his final landing spot, and wasn't he like 67 when he retired?

Don't know how many teams are out there hiring 67 year old head coaches but it can't be many. But yes, early on Tiller was a Target for poaching. He was a guy who loved Purdue first and foremost. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last!

 

[AZboiler]

We were also lucky to avoid the coaching carousel when Tiller was here. Obviously Hope and Hazell have us in a different position than that but it's truly hard to compare this era in football/college football to previous eras.

If Tiller weren't sunsetting when he got here I think he'd have definitely garnered big time interest. Didn't he make it clear that Purdue was his final landing spot, and wasn't he like 67 when he retired?

Don't know how many teams are out there hiring 67 year old head coaches but it can't be many. But yes, early on Tiller was a Target for poaching. He was a guy who loved Purdue first and foremost. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last!

I am a bit foggy on these issues, but as I recall Tiller was pushed out by our Burke and his use of Mandatory retirement age. Having said that, it seemed that Burke did not get much of an argument from Tiller. Because of that Tillers last 2 or 3 recruiting classes were a lagging, but nothing like it was lagging the last 5 -6 years. Tillers arrival was not hailed as the "last stop" on his trail and he got commitments from his hires for a 3 year period. At least that is how my foggy memory recalled it.

 

[loftygoal]

I am a bit foggy on these issues, but as I recall Tiller was pushed out by our Burke and his use of Mandatory retirement age. Having said that, it seemed that Burke did not get much of an argument from Tiller. Because of that Tillers last 2 or 3 recruiting classes were a lagging, but nothing like it was lagging the last 5 -6 years. Tillers arrival was not hailed as the "last stop" on his trail and he got commitments from his hires for a 3 year period. At least that is how my foggy memory recalled it.

I don't think there was any love lost between those guys. It's clear now that Tiller felt he was underpaid and underappreciated while he was here and had no support to take the program to the next level. He threw in the towel as a result.