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Democrat Hypocrisy - No ID to vote, but a vaccine passport to enter a restaurant
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Yep and a lower percentage of African Americans in New York City are vaccinated....compared to white people.
New York City is banning unvaccinated African Americans from many indoor places. By democrat racist logic....how is that not a racist policy? Jim Crow on Steroids.
Voting is a right. If ID aren't accessible or free they are a poll tax.
It's private restaurant's right to refuse you service without evidence of a vaccination to protect their other patrons and employees. Far more of a reasonable argument than not baking someone a cake because they are gay.
It's private restaurant's right to refuse you service without evidence of a vaccination to protect their other patrons and employees. Far more of a reasonable argument than not baking someone a cake because they are gay.
Actually, voting is a right for US Citizens. Shouldn’t you show proof to vote? Passport, govt ID, drivers license.
RE Restaurants. I thought wearing a mask and social distancing was the accept method for preventing virus transmission while in public. That’s what was done pre-vaccine, correct?
A science based approach.
If you prove your ID through other means why isn't that enough to vote? It's worked successfully for years. Poll taxes are illegal.
People refusing the vaccine are pretending to be vaccinated and spreading the virus all over right now (have you not paid attention to the infection trends for the last several weeks?). Not being vaccinated increases the likelihood of the spread and the severity of the outcomes.
Several GOP "lead" states are making the requirements of masks against the law. If you don't like the policy, don't go to the restaurant. Hey! you can even boycott or "cancel" it. It's clear that they've already made the business decision and didn't want to deal with you being there anyway if you don't have the vaccine.
I guess you should try to explain your position to the mayor of one of the most liberal cities.
vaccine hesitancy…it’s just not Republicans doing it (contrary to MSNBC and the liberal media like The View)
"When it comes to what businesses may choose to do, we know that those types of things are difficult to enforce when it comes to vaccine," the mayor continued. "There's a long history in this country of people needing to show their papers, whether we're talking about this from the standpoint, you know, of ... after, during slavery, post-slavery. As recent as, you know, what immigrant population has to go through here."
Boston mayor compares Covid vaccine passport to slavery freedom papers
Mayor Kim Janey, who made the comments after being asked about New York City's proof of vaccination requirements, said Thursday she regretted invoking slavery and birtherism.
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Being vaccinated doesn’t prevent or minimize the likelihood of transmission to others, it only minimizes ones own symptom severity.
But it does dramatically reduce the likelihood one can become infected in the first place, thus, in the aggregate, reducing the likelihood that vaccinated people will become transmitters. People who are infected, vaccinated or otherwise, seem to be about equally as able to spread it, according to the most recent CDC data. But you can’t spread it if you don’t get it. So, when viewing the community as a whole, not specific individual interactions, being vaccinated DOES reduce the likelihood of transmission.
Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots
apnews.com
Yes, this is about people with breakthrough infections and is exactly what I was saying. If you don’t get infected, you can’t spread it. If you’re vaccinated, you’re much less likely to get it, therefore, vaccinated people are less likely to spread it.Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others
In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots
Your article says, essentially, “infected people, vaccinated or not, can spread equally,” which I actually said in my previous post, so I’m not sure what you think you’re refuting. A population of vaccinated people would spread less than a population of unvaccinated people because many fewer of them would get infected in the first place.
African Americans have shown hesitancy in general because of general mistrust of the government (I can't blame them after the Tuskegee experiments). Showing papers is a sensitive subject as well as it would appear to this individual. One anecdote doesn't make the general trends untrue.I guess you should try to explain your position to the mayor of one of the most liberal cities.
vaccine hesitancy…it’s just not Republicans doing it (contrary to MSNBC and the liberal media like The View)
"When it comes to what businesses may choose to do, we know that those types of things are difficult to enforce when it comes to vaccine," the mayor continued. "There's a long history in this country of people needing to show their papers, whether we're talking about this from the standpoint, you know, of ... after, during slavery, post-slavery. As recent as, you know, what immigrant population has to go through here."
Boston mayor compares Covid vaccine passport to slavery freedom papers
Mayor Kim Janey, who made the comments after being asked about New York City's proof of vaccination requirements, said Thursday she regretted invoking slavery and birtherism.www.nbcnews.com
Mask Mandates Now Banned For Local Governments And Schools In Growing Number Of GOP States
Iowa is the latest state to impose new restrictions on local leaders.
www.forbes.com
I would bet 98% of blacks don’t even know anything about the Tuskegee experiments. In fact I would bet 98% of any race knows anything about it before looking it up.African Americans have shown hesitancy in general because of general mistrust of the government (I can't blame them after the Tuskegee experiments). Showing papers is a sensitive subject as well as it would appear to this individual. One anecdote doesn't make the general trends untrue.
Mask Mandates Now Banned For Local Governments And Schools In Growing Number Of GOP States
Iowa is the latest state to impose new restrictions on local leaders.
African Americans have shown hesitancy in general because of general mistrust of the government (I can't blame them after the Tuskegee experiments). Showing papers is a sensitive subject as well as it would appear to this individual. One anecdote doesn't make the general trends untrue.
Mask Mandates Now Banned For Local Governments And Schools In Growing Number Of GOP States
Iowa is the latest state to impose new restrictions on local leaders.
Biden’s Top COVID Adviser: Many Cloth Face Coverings ‘Are Not Very Effective’
Dr. Michael Osterholm, a member of Biden's COVID-19 Advisory Board, said on CNN Monday that many face masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus.
dailycaller.com
Imagine that, someone actually coming out and telling the truth, that cloth masks are roughly 50-60% effective in stopping COVID transmission. Liberals will quickly try to make this “misinformation” probably have to delete the CNN segment from all video records.Biden’s Top COVID Adviser: Many Cloth Face Coverings ‘Are Not Very Effective’
Dr. Michael Osterholm, a member of Biden's COVID-19 Advisory Board, said on CNN Monday that many face masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus.
After that, they can return to worshiping Fauci
I wonder what Joe has to say….it’s all about the Mask….it’s science.
or is it really science?? Not today.
Should private country clubs exist? Should they have the right to refuse entry to anyone?
Were you in a fraternity at Purdue?
You do realize there's no database being maintained that can tell you who's been vaccinated, right?
The govt is relying on people showing a 3x4 postcard with hand-written information that is easily duplicated on any home PC. (that must be why my buddy asked me to send him pictures of my vax card......hmmmm).
From the article you posted:Biden’s Top COVID Adviser: Many Cloth Face Coverings ‘Are Not Very Effective’
Dr. Michael Osterholm, a member of Biden's COVID-19 Advisory Board, said on CNN Monday that many face masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of the virus.
"Osterholm has made similar comments about cloth face coverings since the beginning of the pandemic but has called for people to stop citing him as a reason to not wear a mask. He emphasized that cloth face coverings should not be used as a substitute for more effective ways to prevent spreading the virus, like social distancing, and clarified that wearing a cloth mask is better than nothing, according to the Minnesota-based outlet Bring Me The News."
As disingenuous as the daily caller is, it's surprising they actually added this paragraph. So what was your point exactly?
What are you talking about? Cloth masks aren't as effective as N95 masks, but both are better than no mask at all. I'm not sure what point you or BF is trying to make.
It's science! Who is disputing otherwise? You guys are going to have to find a better strawman.
Absolutely not. You have to show competence, ability to show you have insurance coverage in case of accidents, that your vehicle is road safe, register your vehicle, and you even have to show you are able to see well enough to operate a vehicle safely before you are given the PRIVILAGE to drive.
So just having the ability to get to a polling place, without any proof of who you are or whether you're an American citizen, is enough to give you the right to vote?
Yeah, it's similar to people who counterfeit money. It's wrong but it still happens. Maybe we shouldn't have cash anymore either since it can be counterfeited.
There's actually mechanisms in place to protect against counterfitting (ever been to a casino and put cash on the table?). There's no such mechanism in place to prove whether a vax card is real or counterfeit.Yeah, it's similar to people who counterfeit money. It's wrong but it still happens. Maybe we shouldn't have cash anymore either since it can be counterfeited.
Absolutely not. To vote you have to register and when you vote you have to prove your identity through signature matches and voter rolls.
Between those systems and the high penalty with little return for the risk for being caught, the in person voting fraud has always been an extreme rarity.
Not in most (non casino) cases. But maybe I wasn't understanding your point. Because some people cheat the system the whole system should be scrapped?
The point is the focus should be on things that work (i.e vaccinations) not emotion based theater (cloth masks).
Osterholm said the quiet part out load just this week...."cloth masks aren’t very effective" at stopping spread of covid.
If you say so. It's more effective than 0% effective which is showing everyone your pearly whites.
Both should be a focus. If masks stop some percentage of transmission in a time that infections are increasing quickly and hospitals capacity is becoming more scarce, it's a tool that should be utilized for public health. That doesn't diminish (and I haven't hear the argument that it is) the push for vaccinations. I know we aren't used to it from the last, but this administration can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Lol. Joe Biden - "Maybe by the 4th of July you can have small gatherings with friends outside."
That isn't a quote of someone that understood the reality of what was already going on in the country at the time. We are just lucky governors had the authority to make these decisions, and not a "small outdoor gatherings on 4th of July" leader.
Things that work should be a focus. Not things that "aren't very effective".
If masking is going to be used, tell people to wear masks that work (N95)
Well, considering the number of “opportunities” for a failure, having something that is 50% effective is worthless. IMO.
If I have to take a flight once that has a 50% chance of success versus 0%….yes, I would take 50%.
But if I have to fly everyday for 4 weeks, the odds of dying with the 0% flight success (0% chance of living) almost is the same as the 50% flight success (1 in 268MM).
Conclusion, I wouldn’t wear a mask because it provides essentially zero protection over an extended period of exposure.
The solution is BoilerBFs post above….wear an n95 mask. But I’m vaccinated, so I really don’t care, my vaccination is better than the N95 mask over an extended period of exposure.
oh, and take Vitamin D like Fauci (see, I’m not completely anti-Fauci)
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You can't tell the RWNJ's to do anything that would help protect themselves and their families. They won't wear a mask and don't want the vaccine because. FREEDOM!!!!
If everyone has access to N95's then great. There is a reason they are used in the hospitals. But if you don't have that style, a cloth mask is still better than nothing.
The mandated masking of vaccinated people is beyond idiotic. But the CDC should educate people that N95 masks work, and cloth masks aren't very effective.....if they are going to recommend masking for unvaccinated.
Well, a year and a half later, if Biden wants people to wear a mask then he should have been smart enough to start having N95 masks mass manufacturered (just like Trump had the vaccine manufactured) and send them to every house (they’re cheaper than his $300 checks)…and N95 masks are easier to make than a vaccine.
Better solution…get the vaccine. let Darwin sort out the idiots.
Democrats and the CDC, “let’s all wear masks to protect the idiots.” (Yeah, that’s not for me.). My mask wearing days are over.
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N95 masks are available now to general public. Osterholm and others have been recommending them.
Fauci/CDC don't want to have to admit the truth about cloth masks (they aren't very effective).
Imagine the freak out that would occur by the Democrats if they learned cloth masks are worthless.
it would be like the emperor doesn’t have on clothes.
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