They appear to have a good leader in Nojel who, from what I have heard, lives in the gym and is consistently an incredibly hard worker in practice. Couple that with Carsen's drive and intensity and I think the future will be very bright.
Courtney Ramey
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Question for you now, Treed. This thread is supposed to be about Courtney Ramey. Posters have indicated that Purdue has contacted him about joining their team after he decommitted from L'ville. Would a commitment from him to Purdue dampen the chemistry already in place at Purdue? Could the remaining players and committed recruits maintain that chemistry with him on the team?
your post begs the question: you have two scholarships left to give out. Do you give those scholarships out to 1-2 star athletes so you can keep your current players and projected starters happy?
Do you go after building team chemistry as your priority verses creating a more talented team?
Do players worry when a coach is pursuing a player who plays their position?
We were very close to signing JJJ. Most people on this board have projected him as a one and done player with the ability and talent to start. if we did sign him, would he start? if so, who would be benched? Haas? Would V Edwards shift to SF and Mathais, PJ, and C Edwards share the remaining two guard slots?
At one point we were recruiting Langford. The same questions could be asked.
And now after receiving a commitment from Hunter, Painter is going after Tyger and Ramey. I have to wonder what is going through Tyger's mind as well as Eastern and C Edwards and Cline's mind.
That's a tough question. What's more important? Talent? or team Chemistry?
from my observations, the more talented players are also the more team oriented ones. Talented players are usually very unselfish however, there are always a few exceptions where a player places his individual future ahead of the team, or wants to be "the hero". but for the most part, from my observations, those are exceptions.
I grew up watching Ray Allen, Moncreif, Lebron, Wilt, Iverson, D Robinson and Duncan, Melo, Big Dog, Karem, Magic, Bird and MJ. of that bunch, MJ, Melo and Iverson were probably the most selfish players. however, both MJ and Lebron changed their style to become team players. and became legends. Melo and Iverson never changed.
That's why I believe with the right coach, you can have an abundance of talented players and they will either be team oriented, or they will learn how to be team oriented players. I'm not a big Calipari fan. he always seems to have an overabundance of talent on his teams. But in the past 10 years, I've never seen a UK player really stand out as being a selfish - me first - player. the players have their own chemistry.
I believe our current team members would welcome a Langford, or Ramey or Tiger to the mix even if it meant reduced playing time and lowered personal stats. A quick look at the past 3 NBA drafts, and you will see a lot of first round picks with mediocre personal stats. . The days of being Pete Maravich are over. Look at the NCAA elite teams last year. their star player didn't score many points.
and as I read my post, I contradict myself and ask, well if all of this is true, then why didn't our U.S. under 19 team win the world championship? I can't believe any other team was more talented. We had great and experienced coaches. and those players should have been team oriented.
Sometimes reality doesn't match my speculative theories/opinions.
Has JJ played a college game yet how do you no he will contribute at mich st he has not played one single game at the college level yet at least these freshman had an opportunity to play 11 games of college level basketball against 24 year old pros and division players they played in world games. JJ hasn't proved anything yet sir and if you think he is a
Program changer bcuz he is ranked high or played in a McDonald's all American game or projected a 1st round pick bcuz draft express say so than 4 weeks from now we'll see if he changed mich st program bcuz he will help them win a big 10 title. I no the kid and I've was a USA camp were he got murdered by guys big like him and when they play Duke a kid on that team a Freshman made him look little. Read all the scouts report and believe what they write my son played against him and he could not even score on him and that was at the time my son was 20 pounds lighter. In due time well no what JJ is made of one month from now
perhaps the question was not about talent relative to chemistry, but the things outside talent like the locker room, off the court relationships that could also affect chemistry. That question does not have to be only about physical abilities and that is not to say it couldn't...
He's a good player some of you on here making it seem he will come in and start right away and I don't see that happening and over who. I don't think it will dampen anything painter not gonna promise that kid anything he will have to work to get playing role like every other player will. No I don't think it will as long he buy into what painter is selling than it could definitely work but if he thinks he's bigger than purdue bcuz he de committed from Louisville bcuz of their status than no it won't work. Painter will not put 1 player over a team not how he works. I will say this tho Ramey and hunter are very similar players same size ,build and both can play both guard. Positions even tho both players likes to score more but can pass as well. I'll say this again no kid in the 2018 has played 1 college game against college age kids and until they do so not think they will just come in and dominate college age players no the won't. I say that bcuz I watched my own son who was 210 pounds when he walked on campus and thought he had good size for the position of PG but even at that weight he got pushed around a bit now tho he 225 pounds 6"7 now as I watched him in practice yesterday he guarded Vince, ewing, Mathis and carsen and wasn't get pushed around but pushing some of them around. They all still in HS playing against HS players no matter if they at prep schools or not it's still HS basketball and not college and it will be different when they go up against more players who are physically stronger and faster than them despite they talents
sorry, you posted your question on a public forum. Were you expecting only one answer and reply? rather than a reply to your question, think of my post as a continuation of your question, as I have the same question in my mind as to what goes through a player's mind. I'm taking your question and adding to it. I want to know what goes through a players' mind. Both the player on the team, and the recruit. is the player concerned the coach is going after another player at his position? and how does that player feel about going to a team that already has a starter at his position? Does he shy away from the challenge of competition or welcome it?
I posted I n the hope that Treed could provide one post that might answer both of our related questions / mind sets. basically, I'm not answering your question, but agreeing to it. I have the same question.
My son has no worries who painter is recruiting at the guard positions if you confident in your game than That doesn't concerns you it only concerns you if you let it. All 3 of those players are good but hasn't played a college game yet to hard to predict how they will do until they get to college and start practicing will guys who now got a year of college under their belt. I believe they all would be welcome and treated the same
In so many words...over and over you say (and I agree) that the physicality of college may be greater for some than others. The ground that can be covered in college is much longer and the physical aspects are much different than prior to college. Some of the kids will be fine and others will need to grow into the new level as you have stated over and over.
Thanks Treed. Just the sort of response I was after. I think it interesting to see how it turns out.
Now Wolegib. It is your turn. Spout away.
Great answer. My son received a call from Arkansas the year after they had won the National Title and found out that the two guards they had at Chippola Jr College had got caught cheating. They told him straight up, you're the only player left with a body that can play D1. You might play next year if we need you, but we'll recuit better players, but we'll honor your scholarship. Weight and strength is a factor that is often not understood. It's a rough life on that floor.,
Well, if you had the same question, the least you could have done was to "like" my question and wait for the reply from the other poster.
thanks.
that's the answer to my ultimate question, although, I'm admittedly wordy.
Does a player fear competition for his position?
if the answer is no, then a coach should not worry about who he recruits and chemistry will develop.
If a player at the D1 level fears being recruited over him, he needs to go to D2. The coach has a couple million $$ riding on having the best team on the floor.
Sure, team chemistry is important, but a player that is afraid of being bested doesn't make great chem, does he? Great players want to play against great players, even in practice. Earn it or lose it.
no problem, but it appears that some may not consider those words important. I agreed with you, but you repeat those sentiments because some want to translate high school to college without any growing pains and some players will have growing pains. It is not I that never understood what you were stating.
Knowing a little bit about human nature, I disagree with this part. Notice that Treed said that the chemistry thing is on the player. But the coach has to be able to predict that. He uses the official and unofficial visits to determine if the entire team can "get along" and then makes a decision to continue recruiting or to let it die. At least that is how I would do it. I believe that is the reason CMP has stopped recruiting some of the top notch talent that he looks at before making an offer. And there are other factors that fall into this category as well. But I think that CMP does worry about who he recruits and does not take it for granted that chemistry will develop. It is critically important to him.
maybe. But, I don't provide a lot of likes to begin with. that begs the question, what would you rather have from me? a reply inspired by your post, a like or no reply? Your post inspired me to post a reply.. if I didn't like your post, I would not have responded with my own post and my own questions and comments. your post triggered a thought in me. That's more than just a like or a thumbs up. you motivated me to think.
I agree. To clarify my above post, chemistry is different from good competition. Chemistry has to do with respect and honoring ... not skill. If a player doens't want another player who can help the team win ... that's a problem.
Some probably do why some de committ or transfer if there are more than 2/3 guards at position. As a freshman if my son don't perform in a way we thought he should some coaches will recruit over you. Marquese bolden comes to mind from Duke Marvin bagley will play over him bcuz he may be a little more skilled than him and he was recruited over when they brought in Wendal carter. Coaches don't worry about that they just trying to find the right player to fit there program. I can tell you this I've taught my son no position is guaranteed so keep working somebody will try to take your spot.
You are on point with this post. The players will determine if they feel you someday they feel is a team player or a player that fit their culture. The coach called me right after my son official visit at purdue and said the team loved my son and thought he'll be a great player and teammate for the team. The team stayed in constant contact with my son to let him no that we want you here and showed him mad love and made him feel apart of the team even tho he was still in HS and it worked
I appreciate this post and take some of it as a compliment. And to clarify earlier some additional things, you can use the "like" as a means to communicate in another way than a lengthy post. My opinion puts the "like" into the following. It means you agree with the poster on their post. It does that without going to lengths that sometimes gets too in depth. It lets the poster know that someone has read their post and agrees with the content. This is a great confidence builder with the poster that lets him know he is communicating in a way that the readers understand and maybe can relate. So it is a powerful way to confirm the post as legitimate.
The senior class brought in great culture because the are GREAT people. Them being sold on recruits help keep the continuity of THAT culture and so your words re-enforce what I wished were the case and so it is great to know that the players and coaches are trying to keep the winning culture with good kids that are good players...
I can agree with your thoughts. Last year, Painter never offered Bowen. there's a lot of players Painter doesn't pursue. there's obviously many reasons not made public.
However, Painter has made offers to Tyger, Ramey and Langford. All three are very talented players that don't seem to fit a current need. I would welcome any of the three, and I'm confident if Painter likes them, the rest of our team would welcome them. We'd have some exciting practices.
Someone once said that their practices were harder than their games .... can't remember who. But, can you imagine if you played against better players three days a week than you played against the other two?
Hmmm seems O$U is making a big push for CR......they have the biggest need for sure.
We have Eastern to take over at PG after PJ and Boogie could slide over from SG if needed. Plus Hunter and Sasha could fill in as well from the SG spot.......
Would be nice to land another true PG but may be best to get I. Thompson next year to put some space between Eastern and Thompson.
I am sure Coach Painter do what is best for the team.
We have Eastern to take over at PG after PJ and Boogie could slide over from SG if needed. Plus Hunter and Sasha could fill in as well from the SG spot.......
Would be nice to land another true PG but may be best to get I. Thompson next year to put some space between Eastern and Thompson.
I am sure Coach Painter do what is best for the team.
THAT was always the intent of Knight and the IU players made it public. No doubt that was very true for Gene and Matt as well
OSU needs to go after a center, they have no one taller than 6 ft 9 on the team, and no PF's in that class either. Already have two 4 star guards,and a 6ft 5 shooting gaurd/sf which is what probably helped us with Eric Hunter. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for him to go there, but who knows. That's three quality guys there, Purdue has 1 combo guard.
Those are pretty good starting points and there isn't a poster on here that wouldn't have been thrilled for him to sign with PU.
It's good to know that our freshmen are prepared for the college game and ahead of all the other freshmen. I look forward to seeing them out perform their competition. Boiler Up!
And there you go. The stronger the entire team is, the better the product on the floor. All the players will be pushing to get PT and the competition has just gotten higher. And the more players able to play at that high level, the more consistent the offense and defense. CMP is already distributing playing time, so that will not change very much, but the chance of a Kansas game where we went in the tank once VE got his 3rd foul will be much less likely. That results in a better chance to advance to later rounds of the tournaments.
It's not just about competition. As Treed pointed out, chemistry is about buying into what the coach wants. Painter has had to release key players who were strong leaders because they were screwing up team chemistry.
Talented players should lead. They can chose to lead in the right direction, or they can chose to lead in the wrong direction.
I don't get the chemistry question. This kid is a recruit for next year right. So how would that mess up the team's chemistry we got other kids coming in next year too. Are they going to mess up the team's chemistry just asking.
I think chemistry is always a question. When kids visit, they want to hang out with the players to see how they fit. You often hear recruits talk about the school they chose because it "feels like a family". There needs to be a personality match between the coach and the player. Every school and every team has it's own "culture", and most kids want to feel like they fit into that culture.
This is true for every player. I'm not sure that it is more important for the 5-stars than it is for the 3-stars. Overall, the more team-oriented and the more adaptable players are probably the most successful.
Regarding the very end paragraph: I think Canada had one big time superstar wing that dominated and USA’s poor team D let it happen. That’s my vague memory.
R.J. Barrett, top player in the 2018 class. Scored 38.
