Courtney Ramey
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That is really strange that we are in the running. I didn't think he was even from the midwest.
St Louis. I think thats part of the Midwest.
He was previously interested in UofL with it's ACC schedule (of which all away games except ND at ~6 hrs are more than a day's drive away). At least some of a typical B1G schedule would be within a reasonable drive and YUM center is only about a 1/2 hour closer to St. Louis than Mackey. Doubt if "closer to home" is one of his top decision criteria, but it probably can't hurt. .
Hes not in a hurry, neither is purdue. They are in a good position to sit back and be picky at this point. anything else at this point is icing on the cake. Ramey reminds me of a slightly smaller, but faster jon octeus. I would love to land this guy.
His rankings are in the same ballpark as E’Twaun Moore’s were, which leads me to believe that he’s a potential high impact recruit.
MO has 3 PG's and is over their scholarship limit by one. Many of the schools on his original list have either filled up, have a Fr PG or are a long way from St Louis.
From a Scout article:
“Some of the people who were there in the beginning, even outside of Louisville, like Texas has made it a point that he’s still option number one and they’re ramping it up.” the elder Ramey said. “The new staff at Ohio State, they’re coming deep and calling like crazy saying he’s option number one and Marquette, Purdue, of course Missouri as well. Those have shown the strongest and then you got new schools like Texas A&M, Wichita State and Clemson"
I hope we can land him as well. IMO starters would be:
Ramey
Edwards
Eastern
Wheeler
Taylor/(Haarms if Taylor isn't healthy)
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I like that line-up. but I'm not going to discount the possibilities that Cline, Ewing, Hunter Dow and Williams find their way into that line-up. We will have a lot of talent next year and a lot of possibilities.
Think about it. We're taking a 25+ win team and making it even better.
You realize we are losing four seniors who start, right?
True, but that lineup will be a Jr, two sophs with a lot of playing time under their belt, a super good freshman and perhaps Taylor who has kids at PU by then. I agree that losing senior starters is a hit, but it's not like their replacements have no experience. PJ and Dakota will be replaced by more athletic players with good to great playiing time. Haas maybe not so much so.
PJ and Dakota will not be easily replaced at all. And V Edwards, our best player ... What about him?
I wasn't disagreeing (I even said I agreed) ... just stating some supportive evidence for the other poster ... don't start a fight to boost your ego.DO you dispute that PJ's and Dakota's replacements will be more athletic? I suspect Eastern will step into the quality of player that Vince is. Let's be honest about Vince, he is not a whole lot better than he was when he was a soph.
Wheeler is very much like Vince, and honestly Wheeler has a higher ceiling but lower floor. PJ will be tough to replace, but Eastern is better. Haas will be difficult to replace, but between Taylor/Williams/Ewing/Haarms/Dowuana somebody should be able to fill in nicely. Dakota will be the hardest to replace because of his defense, but maybe Sasha is developed by then to step up. Maybe Cline focuses on his defense and steps it up as well. Not to mention Hunter could have an impact as a freshman. We will miss the chemistry of 4 starting seniors, but the talent won't drop off. I still think the roster has enough talent to stay a top 25 team. Ramey would be awesome because it adds another threat on offense. There is so much versatility that the lineup could go many different ways. Lots to like there.
I said earlier that Purdue could possibly get Tyger as a consolation prize. He may end up recommitting to DePaul, but he would REALLY help Purdue land Jackson-Davis and KBJ. But before I touched Tyger, I would make sure that it doesn't affect Isaiah Thompson. I will be very unhappy if he isn't a Boiler.
I'm not starting a fight lol. All I'm saying is it's crazy to diminish our four seniors, which is what the poster essentially did. Will PJ's and Dakota's replacements be more athletic? Yeah, probably. Better basketball players? I'm no so sure. Agree to disagree on Vince. Hard to really improve much statistically when the whole team revolves around an All American. I think he's going to have a big year.
Wheeler looks to have great potential, no doubt about that. But it's ridiculous for anyone to compare him to Vince right now.
Wheeler will have a whole year under his belt. They don't have a similar play style, but Wheeler has the size and athletic ability to easily play the 3/4. Purdue got away with theft when they got Wheeler so late in the game. The kid should be a star.
Right, Vince came out as a freshman and played huge minutes, Wheeler has been thrown around on here as a red shirt candidate. Losing VE will hurt, and Purdue should will be fairly young 7 to 9 freshman to sophomores. I think they will be competitive, make the tournament, but a step back from the previous few years.
If I were to guess our NCAAT seed for next season right now, I'd say a nine. This season I think we are a 5-6. But we have a tough nonconference schedule to get through.
Nobody is going to be "replaced". Our seniors will always be fondly considered a part of Boiler history. I'm excited that we're nearing the point that our records are no longer cyclical but consistent due to continuous quality recruiting and increasing depth. We're near the point of saying we reload instead of rebuild.
I'm not looking at any one individual player. That's a job for fantasy basketball geeks. I'm looking at last year's team, this year's team and next year's team as an entity - an entire team. last year with biggie, we were a 25+ win team with a sweet 16 finish. I believe this year's team may be as good or better than last year's team. And as I look at this year's new players, and next year's commitments , we could be an even better team next year than this year. and please don't get me started about an experienced team is better than a talented younger team. This board has already seen my response to that. give Eastern this year to team with Edwards, and they will be dynamite next year.
next year, we could have a backcourt of Edwards, Eastern and Hunter/Ramey . that has the potential to be Painter's best backcourt ever. and we could have a frontcourt of Dow, Williams, Haarms, Wheeler and Ewing. and maybe a healthy Taylor That looks like the best depth we've ever had in the frontcourt.
So when I look at this team, I saw a great team last year, an even greater team this year, and potentially an even greater team next year.
Forget all this personal All American junk. if we are a great TEAM, the individual awards will come. Look at MJ's college stats. he was a TEAM player. His personal awards were secondary.
So much hyperbole and so many hypotheticals. Wow. Of the four players you mentioned in the backcourt, only one has even played a college basketball game, and that player was up and down in his freshman season. Doubt we get Ramey (he didn't even list us in his top 13 the first time around), so it's silly to even bring that up.
As for the frontcourt comment, wow, that is a massive stretch. Not a single one of those guys has ever played a college game, not one (except for JT, whose whole body might evaporate by this time next season), and you are saying it looks like better depth than Haas, Swanigan, Hammons, Edwards. I'm laughing almost hysterically at this point. I'm not even sure what your point is in the last paragraph.
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That’s like, 90% of this board.
Replacing 4 seniors will be tough no doubt but at one time they were freshman and had to learn and grow as players at the college level and i to believe this group will be put in position to learn and grow as a team and as players at the college level just like that group of seniors did. Biggest difference I see in the seniors and this year and next years class is the athleticism and size each player brings. Nope can't replace Haas inside presence but harms is 7"3 but more mobile to guard more outside the 3 point line that Haas cannot do. The great thing in all of this all of them have had a chance to practice and play early with those seniors and that is gonna help them tremendously this season that will carry over to the next season. Playing 11 games b4 season starts are 11 games at the college level that do count for something when most other freshman hasn't even done that yet at all. I see what the other poster is saying however that this team as a whole this season willl be vastly improved and bcuz of the mix of experience and youth which is why so many teams that made it to the sweet 16 and on bcu they had a mixture of both and that is what purdue has now but athleticism to match now. Let's see how season play out than well no what this season will bring and just how good this 17 class will be
Perhaps you're correct, but you couldn't have been more of a dbag saying it.
you are obviously of the Experience is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talent crowd.
I understand where you are coming from. I just don't agree with your point of view.
Every year experienced players leave and are replaced by younger players. of our current seniors, only one is projected to be drafted. V Edwards is projected as a late second round pick. if you want to argue, argue with the national draft experts and scouts. Take your experience is better than talent opinions to the experts rather than wasting your time with me. What I'm saying is our younger players like Eastern, Haarms, Wheeler, and C Edwards and the players we're recruiting like Dow, Williams, Hunter and maybe Ramey have a talent base and ceiling that may be even higher and better than the players we currently have.
is that so far fetched to believe ?
You accuse me of belittling our current starters. I'll throw the gauntlet back at you of belittling the talent level of our newcomers and our expected commitments. I see an even better future than what we currently have.
At one time somebody said Etwann Moore is only a freshman and will never be as great as the guy he replaced.
At one time somebody said JJ was a guy who'd never played a college game.
At one time somebody called PJ a plan D after 3 other PGs we were recruiting signed elsewhere.
I believe the future looks even brighter than today. Is that so bad?
The 4 seniors are not only more experienced, but also more talented (currently) than their replacements. Haas is more talented than Haarms. Vince is more talented than Wheeler. Dakota is a more talented shooter/defender than Eastern. Carsen is the only one more talented than the player he is replacing (PJ).
I'm not sure why you are talking about only one of our seniors being in mock drafts. None of our underclassmen are in mock drafts either. So the national draft "experts" actually believe our senior is more talented than anyone on the team.
Our underclassmen could certainly blow up this year and in the off season, and keep Purdue competitive.
They could also turn out very raw and Purdue could struggle next year.
It's too early to tell. My guess would be we finish 2nd in the Big Ten this year and a sweet 16 exit.
Next year I predict we finish 5th or 6th in the Big Ten with a 1st round exit.
This group of seniors have performed well above my expectations as a group. Saying that, each class coming in has to reach for their own accomplishments. I read treed' s posts a I hope she is right about this group. I am always optimistic about each group that comes in , but they're gonna have to work and fight for every thing they get.
. Fans will be fans I tell you this opinions are opinions but not facts and until season begins and those replacements you want to call them and saying there less talented then the senior group is purely your opinions not facts and plz don't base your actual facts on some games they played in the world games bcuz those replacements didn't play much so it's kinda unfair to say what you saying about those replacements until they actually play a full season and only than well no if those replacements are who they are or not. But your opinions are welcomed doesn't mean we or I have to agree to them hope that's fair to say. As for Nojel nope not on any mock drafts and plz don't get to caught up in that that will change week to week all season and those who might be at the top of that mwah to early mock draft will look a lot different by time season. What I no is this that are facts as a player you can put your name in the draft and not hire a agent and test the waters and get feedback. What I also no is this eye test says a lot and at 6"7 that can play 4 positions and defend 3 positions has guard skills, can pass , rebound and defend will be heavily looked in a weaker PG draft class so this replacement guard that isn't a better defender so you say and yes not a better shooter I'll give you that but he will test the waters and we'll see how that goes when he is working out for GMs. I will also agree that is to early to tell what these replacements will turn out to be but 30 something games that some or all we play well no more as season goes on. Can't wait for season to get here and watch this incredible versatile athletic skilled experienced team prove so many wrong.
I think Nojel will be very good. To say that a senior is more talented at this point is in no way a knock on Nojel. It just is what it is at this point. CMP will give the most minutes to the guys he feels gives Purdue the best chance to win (most talented). I would bet that of the top 5 in minutes played at the end of the season, 4 of the 5 will be seniors.
I think you are equating talent with athleticism. The 2014, 2017 and 2018 classes all ranked about the same (per 247 Sports) as incoming classes. Obviously, each class has very different strengths and weaknesses but generally comparable overall talent. It is certainly understandable to expect a small step back with as young as we will be in 2018. It is also logical to expect that core will be very formidable as upperclassmen.
