Commitment and what it would mean now

[BCfanatic2020]

Jenkins likely cost the same 400k they were set to pay Scourton to stay. According to stuff I read on on3, Scourton left for 825 and at least access to a house and car.

Even with everything that’s gone on, imagine we went into yesterdays game with Scourton retained and the money spent on Jenkins also spent on a corner and MLB who had proven they could play?

Even with as crappy as this staff has been. I’d still be in favor of letting Walters go.

But we’d have won on Saturday rather easily, and like Joe tiller said “I said to Jim on the headset, ‘boys we got ourselves a QB,’ because without that, you might as well be playing tiddlywinks.” So Purdue would have a QB and a much better defense.

What does it mean? That this team was about a 1.5 million dollar commitment away from still having a good shot at 5-7 even with a train wreck of a staff. Commitment matters and will matter when the next coach comes here.

In fact, many good coaches will ask for guarantees on that front before taking the job

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Jenkins likely cost the same 400k they were set to pay Scourton to stay. According to stuff I read on on3, Scourton left for 825 and at least access to a house and car.

Even with everything that’s gone on, imagine we went into yesterdays game with Scourton retained and the money spent on Jenkins also spent on a corner and MLB who had proven they could play?

Even with as crappy as this staff has been. I’d still be in favor of letting Walters go.

But we’d have won on Saturday rather easily, and like Joe tiller said “I said to Jim on the headset, ‘boys we got ourselves a QB,’ because without that, you might as well be playing tiddlywinks.” So Purdue would have a QB and a much better defense.

What does it mean? That this team was about a 1.5 million dollar commitment away from still having a good shot at 5-7 even with a train wreck of a staff. Commitment matters and will matter when the next coach comes here.

In fact, many good coaches will ask for guarantees on that front before taking the job

I would be OK with hiring a VP of Football Operations (aka an executive with total control of player personnel, coaching staff, salary cap, etc) BEFORE hiring a coach.

This executive would report directly to the University President and the BOT. The AD would be in charge of the rest of the sports.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I would be OK with hiring a VP of Football Operations (aka an executive with total control of player personnel, coaching staff, salary cap, etc) BEFORE hiring a coach.

This executive would report directly to the University President and the BOT. The AD would be in charge of the rest of the sports.

Point is, Purdue needs more commitment from big money donors or don’t expect to acquire or retain the needed talent. I don’t donate so I’m happy with 5-7 and a pulse. Neither of which we have seen enough of this year.

But I think watching on Saturday it’s obvious we are only a few players from being competitive even with this staff. So imagine with a better staff.

By the way, how many would be okay with Simmons being interim for the remainder of the year.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Point is, Purdue needs more commitment from big money donors or don’t expect to acquire or retain the needed talent. I don’t donate so I’m happy with 5-7 and a pulse. Neither of which we have seen enough of this year.

But I think watching on Saturday it’s obvious we are only a few players from being competitive even with this staff. So imagine with a better staff.

By the way, how many would be okay with Simmons being interim for the remainder of the year.

I think we need a real deal Football Guy (think NFL GM) overseeing the entire operation.

It’s too big of a business now to be reporting to a former college baseball player, no offense to MBob…

 

[pboiler18]

We will always have less fan support and therefore less money than other programs. I disagree with the notion that money is needed to get to 5-7. I think money is needed to get to 8+.

The issue there is 2 fold:
1. The fan base won’t invest pre emptively in a loser
2. The fan base won’t invest enough for it to be worth it results wise in the long run.


Get the best coach you can. Scheme to get the most out of your talent. Buy when you have the $. That’s what we can and need to do.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

We will always have less fan support and therefore less money than other programs. I disagree with the notion that money is needed to get to 5-7. I think money is needed to get to 8+.

The issue there is 2 fold:
1. The fan base won’t invest pre emptively in a loser
2. The fan base won’t invest enough for it to be worth it results wise in the long run.


Get the best coach you can. Scheme to get the most out of your talent. Buy when you have the $. That’s what we can and need to do.

I agree with most of what you said. But, when I say 5-7, let’s examine this 8-4 season by Joe tiller, in 1998:

Wins
Northwestern 3-9
Iowa 3-8
Illinois 3-8
Indiana 4-7
Rice 5-6
Minnesota 5-6
Michigan state 6-6
UCF 9-2

Losses
USC 8-5
Notre Dame 9-3
Penn state 9-3
Wisconsin 11-1

Purdue is never playing that easy of a conference schedule again. A team that would go 8-4 against that schedule might be as bad as 5-7 against these schedules.

Danny hope had bowl teams that wouldn’t have won 6 games this year.

 

[Bippus33]

Jenkins likely cost the same 400k they were set to pay Scourton to stay. According to stuff I read on on3, Scourton left for 825 and at least access to a house and car.

Even with everything that’s gone on, imagine we went into yesterdays game with Scourton retained and the money spent on Jenkins also spent on a corner and MLB who had proven they could play?

Even with as crappy as this staff has been. I’d still be in favor of letting Walters go.

But we’d have won on Saturday rather easily, and like Joe tiller said “I said to Jim on the headset, ‘boys we got ourselves a QB,’ because without that, you might as well be playing tiddlywinks.” So Purdue would have a QB and a much better defense.

What does it mean? That this team was about a 1.5 million dollar commitment away from still having a good shot at 5-7 even with a train wreck of a staff. Commitment matters and will matter when the next coach comes here.

In fact, many good coaches will ask for guarantees on that front before taking the job

The bottom line is that CRW had Scourton last year and he and other players were wasted on a 2023 season that was squandered away by poor coaching. In addition, many of the starters that we did retain
have shown no signs of improvement with there on field performances.
Dare we throw more money at a program that has shown us poor player acquisitions, bad coaching and undisciplined play? I would say not. Multiple facts are indictments on why CRW should not return for a third year......

 

[BCfanatic2020]

The bottom line is that CRW had Scourton last year and he and other players were wasted on a 2023 season that was squandered away by poor coaching. In addition, many of the starters that we did retain
have shown no signs of improvement with there on field performances.
Dare we throw more money at a program that has shown us poor player acquisitions, bad coaching and undisciplined play? I would say not. Multiple facts are indictments on why CRW should not return for a third year......

I’m not saying Walters should get more time. We have seen enough. Just saying that more commitment would have led to an easy win on Saturday. Imagine what coupling that commitment with a better coach would mean.

Walters, at best, was 3 years away from being ready. At worst, he never will be.

 

[BoilerN]

I think we need a real deal Football Guy (think NFL GM) overseeing the entire operation.

It’s too big of a business now to be reporting to a former college baseball player, no offense to MBob…

You mean this guy? https://purduesports.com/sports/football/roster/staff/noah-joseph/197

 

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You mean this guy? https://purduesports.com/sports/football/roster/staff/noah-joseph/197

LOL. No.

 

[Wolegib]

Basketball also has NIL. They seem to be handling it ok. The AD does have people on his staff besides coaches! Perhaps he needs a few that actually know what they are doing. This is not a one man show where bobo or Walters does everything!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Basketball also has NIL. They seem to be handling it ok. The AD does have people on his staff besides coaches! Perhaps he needs a few that actually know what they are doing. This is not a one man show where bobo or Walters does everything!

Basketball has a guy who can evaluate talent. Football doesn’t.

 

[BoilerN]

LOL. No.

Then what do you mean?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Then what do you mean?

Someone like these guys:

Ryan Grigson

Rick Smith - College of Liberal Arts - Purdue University

www.cla.purdue.edu

Guys who have run football organizations before… With total control of player personnel, coaching personnel, salary cap management, etc.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Basketball also has NIL. They seem to be handling it ok. The AD does have people on his staff besides coaches! Perhaps he needs a few that actually know what they are doing. This is not a one man show where bobo or Walters does everything!

Two things can be true

Walters doesn’t know what he’s doing

It’s pretty clear Walters had to take a little bit of Money and buy as many players as he could for small amounts. And what he got was a lot of bench guys at the p4 and definitely p2 level. Again, that doesn’t mean he’s good. He’s not

 

[BoilerN]

Someone like these guys:

Ryan Grigson

Rick Smith - College of Liberal Arts - Purdue University

www.cla.purdue.edu

Guys who have run football organizations before… With total control of player personnel, coaching personnel, salary cap management, etc.

Is Grigson a good GM? He over paid for bad talent consistently.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Is Grigson a good GM? He over paid for bad talent consistently.

Vikings look good this year. He’s a much better talent evaluator than what we currently have.

 

[BoilerN]

Vikings look good this year. He’s a much better talent evaluator than what we currently have.

Is our issue talent or coaching and scheme?

 

[TC4THREE]

Sorry. I just don't care enough about Purdue winning football games to give significant money to players who in many cases may make more than I do. If it is that important to others that they want to donate five or six figures in that pursuit that's cool but I wouldn't expect most people would set aside such money. Complete waste of time to complain about it.

Let's become the Tampa Bay Rays or the moneyball A's of college football and find a way to do it better and more efficiently than others where we can compete with and occasionally overcome the brand name money programs.

 

[BoilerN]

Sorry. I just don't care enough about Purdue winning football games to give significant money to players who in many cases may make more than I do. If it is that important to others that they want to donate five or six figures in that pursuit that's cool but I wouldn't expect most people would set aside such money. Complete waste of time to complain about it.

Let's become the Tampa Bay Rays or the moneyball A's of college football and find a way to do it better and more efficiently than others where we can compete with and occasionally overcome the brand name money programs.

Luckily. It seems like its going to change with revenue sharing and what not.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Is our issue talent or coaching and scheme?

Yes.

 

[BoilerN]

Yes.

I just saw our talent go head to head with Illinois, so I don't think talent is as big of an issue as thought. With a new coach and a few good portal additions, this is a bowl team next year.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I just saw our talent go head to head with Illinois, so I don't think talent is as big of an issue as thought. With a new coach and a few good portal additions, this is a bowl team next year.

Let’s revisit this in a month.

 

[BoilerN]

Let’s revisit this in a month.

Ok. Probably won't change my opinion. I thought the same prior to Illinois.

 

[pboiler18]

I just saw our talent go head to head with Illinois, so I don't think talent is as big of an issue as thought. With a new coach and a few good portal additions, this is a bowl team next year.

Somebody has finally seen the light!

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Ok. Probably won't change my opinion. I thought the same prior to Illinois.

Even if we lose by 60 a couple more times?

 

[Riveting]

I would be OK with hiring a VP of Football Operations (aka an executive with total control of player personnel, coaching staff, salary cap, etc) BEFORE hiring a coach.

This executive would report directly to the University President and the BOT. The AD would be in charge of the rest of the sports.

Someday archeologists will sift through the ruins and say to each other, can you believe they spent so much money to exploit and ruin the health of ignorant young men for their own entertainment?

 

[BoilerN]

Somebody has finally seen the light!

Saw it a few weeks ago. In other news, Walters might be a really good OC

 

[BoilerN]

Even if we lose by 60 a couple more times?

Yes. Talent isn't the issue

 

[pboiler18]

Yes. Talent isn't the issue

It’s almost as if people spent 6 months here telling you this…

 

[BoilerN]

It’s almost as if people spent 6 months here telling you this…

There was also reason to believe it wasn't. Plenty of people saw the same view as me.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

There was also reason to believe it wasn't. Plenty of people saw the same view as me.

And they were wildly wrong too.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Yes. Talent isn't the issue

Incorrect … bad coach, not enough big ten talent playing

 

[pboiler18]

Incorrect … bad coach, not enough big ten talent playing

There’s plenty of BIG talent playing…it’s just Lower end of the conference instead of higher end.

That’s generally been the case for 95% of Purdue’s seasons.

You can continue to sit in your room and beat off to 40,50,60 year old Purdue games tho. That’s all you seem to know anything about. You certainly don’t understand what you’re seeing week in and week out.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

There’s plenty of BIG talent playing…it’s just Lower end of the conference instead of higher end.

That’s generally been the case for 95% of Purdue’s seasons.

You can continue to sit in your room and beat off to 40,50,60 year old Purdue games tho. That’s all you seem to know anything about. You certainly don’t understand what you’re seeing week in and week out.

Exactly… sprinkled with g5 players like Moussa, Stevens, karlaftis etc

 

[pboiler18]

Exactly… sprinkled with g5 players like Moussa, Stevens, karlaftis etc

Moussa has been a 3 year starter. Those guys are supposed to develop…not be the best they ever have been as a freshman…but I’m sure that’s Brohms fault!

I think Katlaftis is an undersized DE and not a LB. He’s just a tweener. Another guy the staff is asking to do too much in a bad system.

It’s like you shitting on Cam Allen last year. Guy had been crazy productive for us and then this crazy system comes along and asks him to do something he can’t and shouldn’t. That’s not really his fault. He’d have never come to Purdue to play in this defense. He stuck it out because he loved Purdue and now he’s your poster child for failure even though he was a good defender for multiple years for us.

Are you starting to see it now? What good coaches do vs bad? Scheme and use the talent you have? Develop the guys who you do have into better players? The way you worship Purdue coaches you never watched and hate the ones who came here and did well while you (pa)trolled the message board with meaningless PFF stats is truly hilarious. It suggests you have no clue what you are seeing so you need a crutch!

I’ve been right about the past 3 coaches and why they would fail or succeed. My hit rate is great. Yours looks like ours trying to find a good coach! Lacking!

 

[z_one]

Moussa has been a 3 year starter. Those guys are supposed to develop…not be the best they ever have been as a freshman…but I’m sure that’s Brohms fault!

I think Katlaftis is an undersized DE and not a LB. He’s just a tweener. Another guy the staff is asking to do too much in a bad system.

It’s like you shitting on Cam Allen last year. Guy had been crazy productive for us and then this crazy system comes along and asks him to do something he can’t and shouldn’t. That’s not really his fault. He’d have never come to Purdue to play in this defense. He stuck it out because he loved Purdue and now he’s your poster child for failure even though he was a good defender for multiple years for us.

Are you starting to see it now? What good coaches do vs bad? Scheme and use the talent you have? Develop the guys who you do have into better players? The way you worship Purdue coaches you never watched and hate the ones who came here and did well while you (pa)trolled the message board with meaningless PFF stats is truly hilarious. It suggests you have no clue what you are seeing so you need a crutch!

I’ve been right about the past 3 coaches and why they would fail or succeed. My hit rate is great. Yours looks like ours trying to find a good coach! Lacking!

So since your "hit" rate is so good, who should we go after now? Use that vast knowledge to tell us all and the AD which direction we should go? For someone with your admittedly vast knowledge of the subject let's hear it. Maybe one of us could connect you with Bobinski and the Trustees so you could steer them in the right direction. In fact maybe we could get you on the steering committee! How about it?

 

[pboiler18]

So since your "hit" rate is so good, who should we go after now? Use that vast knowledge to tell us all and the AD which direction we should go? For someone with your admittedly vast knowledge of the subject let's hear it. Maybe one of us could connect you with Bobinski and the Trustees so you could steer them in the right direction. In fact maybe we could get you on the steering committee! How about it?

Sure. Have them reach out!

 

[z_one]

Sure. Have them reach out!

You just said in another thread that you wouldn't do it. So which is it?

 

[pboiler18]

It’s a crazy hypothetical. Of course I’d do it but it’s never going to happen