Indy Star article " Purdue football facilities upgrades designed to help Hazell win"!!!!!!!!!!!Really! Makes it sound like we are stuck with this dumpster fire of a program for a while! His name should not have been mentioned at all as any reason for the upgrades. God help us if this administration is putting the blame for a three year debacle on facilities. Will it help us moving forward? YES! But as long as Haz is running the show, wins and losses wont change. Sounds to me like HAZ will be staying and Shoop will be the escape goat in the off season..........
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Daniels was specifically given the opportunity to express confidence in Hazell and demurred. That may be significant. Or maybe not. Who knows.
What's an escape goat? The one that always gets out of the fence?
I was struck by both Daniels and Burke's lack of anything directly supportive of CDH. Burke said something to the effect of "Hazell's running the operation now...." I can't remember the exact wording.......but it seemed the window was wide open for him to say the CDH is going to be running things for a long time, or into the future, or whatever.......and he didn't say anything like that.
I've come to the conclusion that it seems like they are just going to ride out the season and likely make a change....unless there is some miraculous sign of progress. I honestly see a nearly zero chance of that in spite of CDH continuing to say "you don't see what I and the coaches see...." As infuriating as that is to hear week-after-week (because it's clearly untrue), I get why he keeps saying it......to keep a good public face.
Agree. Baring some magical turnaround, we just have to ride out the rest of the season and this embarrassment will be over.
Field is getting rushed vs. IU either way. Either we pull of a miraculous win, or we all join at midfield to celebrate that its over!
The thing Haze doesn't seem to get about his "you don't see what I see" rhetoric is that what we do see is plenty for an indictment midway through year three.
Overall record: 5-26
vs. B1G: 1-18
vs. P5/ND: 1-21
vs. FBS: 2-26
vs. MAC: 1-3
Scoring offense (2015): 11/14 in the B1G
total offense: 11/14
Scoring defense: 12/14
total defense: 10/14
There is simply nothing he can point to that suggests even modest incremental success. At best, the team has shown glimpses here and there for a quarter - sometimes a half - rarely more than that.
Overall record: 5-26
vs. B1G: 1-18
vs. P5/ND: 1-21
vs. FBS: 2-26
vs. MAC: 1-3
Scoring offense (2015): 11/14 in the B1G
total offense: 11/14
Scoring defense: 12/14
total defense: 10/14
There is simply nothing he can point to that suggests even modest incremental success. At best, the team has shown glimpses here and there for a quarter - sometimes a half - rarely more than that.
Not to stir the pot, but I seem to recall a lot of folks on here saying the same thing about 3 years ago, that the embarrassment would be over once DH1 was out. I'm not defending DH2, but I think the embarrassment may be continuing for several more years to come, regardless of who is HC.
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Purdue is quickly becoming a place where you cannot win. Someone had better get this turned around before there is no turning it around.
Finding the next coach is going to be a challenge. Burke has a lousy reputation in the football coaching world - he needs to be out of the equation or soon to be leaving if Purdue is to attract someone strong.
The new building appears as an act of desperation. If they had been properly feeding the program all along, we would not be in this troubling situation. The monies that went in to over the top facilities for non-revenue generating sports should have gone into football a long time ago. If this had been done, we would be rolling in dough.
Bad leadership gets you every time. Mitch should know this.
Finding the next coach is going to be a challenge. Burke has a lousy reputation in the football coaching world - he needs to be out of the equation or soon to be leaving if Purdue is to attract someone strong.
The new building appears as an act of desperation. If they had been properly feeding the program all along, we would not be in this troubling situation. The monies that went in to over the top facilities for non-revenue generating sports should have gone into football a long time ago. If this had been done, we would be rolling in dough.
Bad leadership gets you every time. Mitch should know this.
By reading it seems Daniels knows the football program is in trouble. He said he attends every home game. He would have to be an idiot if he didn't hear the boo's and realize this team sucks. I got a feeling he will tell Burke that a change needs to be made after the season is over.
While I don't think Hazell is the guy to turn this around, the program was in such a place depth wise coming into 2013 where it was going to take a monumental recruiting AND developmental effort to turn the ship around in any amount of time. I still think Hazell could eventually get us around to being acceptable AND recruiting better but he HAS to hire a good OC and step back from that side of things and let the adults (or people who know how to run a true and agressive air raid type offense) be in control.
Hazell was doomed from the start because of his OC hire and I truly wish it wasn't that way. He won in the MAC...a conference where you win because you're a superior coach....where nobody really has an inherent talent advantage over other conference teams (and especially not at Kent St.).
I'm not fully convinced that this offense is 1000% Hazell's brainchild. Hope will be that he can get a legit OC in here and score some points and at least make things exciting next year. If not, he'll be gone. Which....I think is potentially a shame because the pool of quality teams looking for new HCs is pretty shallow and the talent pool of coaches that would be good fits seems pretty deep.
I have a hard time believing that if we had hired Butch Jones this program would be much better than it is now. That said....its a lot harder to be WORSE....but he'd still be recruiting to Purdue, coaching a lot of Danny Hope's leftover (lack of) talent the past 2 years and would still be having a hard time attracting good assistants.
Purdue has a bad football culture. Thems the facts. From the lack of fan support, to the lack of University support historically (which seems to be changing) to the inherent disadvantages that come with football recruiting in Indiana...and the midwest in general.
Hazell was doomed from the start because of his OC hire and I truly wish it wasn't that way. He won in the MAC...a conference where you win because you're a superior coach....where nobody really has an inherent talent advantage over other conference teams (and especially not at Kent St.).
I'm not fully convinced that this offense is 1000% Hazell's brainchild. Hope will be that he can get a legit OC in here and score some points and at least make things exciting next year. If not, he'll be gone. Which....I think is potentially a shame because the pool of quality teams looking for new HCs is pretty shallow and the talent pool of coaches that would be good fits seems pretty deep.
I have a hard time believing that if we had hired Butch Jones this program would be much better than it is now. That said....its a lot harder to be WORSE....but he'd still be recruiting to Purdue, coaching a lot of Danny Hope's leftover (lack of) talent the past 2 years and would still be having a hard time attracting good assistants.
Purdue has a bad football culture. Thems the facts. From the lack of fan support, to the lack of University support historically (which seems to be changing) to the inherent disadvantages that come with football recruiting in Indiana...and the midwest in general.
Danny Hope said all the same things before he got canned too. Sad thing is, he had a lot more going for him than Hazell does.
Mitch is good with budgets and numbers and such. Seems like if he saw the numbers on the gigantic scoreboard that he would notice we are running a "deficit" while our opponents are running a large "surplus".
I agree that Hope left this team in a mess. There was no talent left on this team. I don't agree with your point about not firing Hazell though. Yes, some of the blame should be on the OC but if Hazell is too stubborn to make a change then it is on him. This team is a disaster right now. They probably won't win another game this season. Something has to be done quickly.
Also, Daniels can't be happy with all the empty seats in the stadium. He has to see money disappearing. This is part of the reason he will tell Burke to fire Hazell.
Just so I understand, you're claiming MD doesn't realize we are losing football games?
This is what practice will look like at the new facilities if Haz is here to run it;
http://ilovefootballseason.com/pee-wee-football-w-the-whip-nae-nae-enjoy/
http://ilovefootballseason.com/pee-wee-football-w-the-whip-nae-nae-enjoy/
I actually think things would be in a lot better shape with Butch Jones in place. I assume he would have brought many of his assistant coaches and a system with him. Hazell tried to put together an all star team of asst coaches and there clearly is no synergy and the "stars" that were hired were obviously available for a reason (as in they are not very good).
I continue to be shocked by Hazell's mediocre recruiting. Unless the facilities are grossly out of date, they should be able to attract normal Purdue talent which results in some wins each season. Hazell has 2 Div 1-A wins in 3 seasons. You would expect him to be able to beat MAC teams and he cannot.
Something wacky is going on with this program, and perhaps the athletic department as a whole. There is too much underperformance across the board.
I continue to be shocked by Hazell's mediocre recruiting. Unless the facilities are grossly out of date, they should be able to attract normal Purdue talent which results in some wins each season. Hazell has 2 Div 1-A wins in 3 seasons. You would expect him to be able to beat MAC teams and he cannot.
Something wacky is going on with this program, and perhaps the athletic department as a whole. There is too much underperformance across the board.
Would that be the same "wacky" AD that ran off Painter's key assistant about 5 years ago -- when he wouldn't even counter Clemson's offer -- which almost resulted in Painter leaving for Mizzo, and did result in putting our bball recruiting so far behind that Painter is just now catching up?
Matt Painter is getting ready to field an awesome basketball team, in spite of Captain Clueless.
Matt Painter is still our coach because Captain Clueless forked over the cash. He didn't have to...
Oh, so Burke should be given credit for the reemergence of our basketball program because he didn't double down on his own penny-pinching stupidity and run off Painter along with Rick Ray?
Yes. He paid Painter. Painter made a point; Morgan responded. Seriously if you hate everything about Purdue, maybe find a new hobby.
Are you goofy? I didn't say a word about hating anything about Purdue! I just hate what Burke and the BOT, along with Cordova, have done to the Purdue Athletic Dept. And be clear, Burke and the BOT are not Purdue!
Painter had to take it to the very edge and nearly depart to get the resources the program needed. And then Nancy Cross chided the membership of the JPC for not giving more. Let's not give Burke credit for this one.
This is pretty simple. If you love the non-revenue sports, Burke is your guy. If you favor the revenue sports and the long-term financial health of Purdue athletics, Burke's asset allocation decisions have to be a concern.
This is pretty simple. If you love the non-revenue sports, Burke is your guy. If you favor the revenue sports and the long-term financial health of Purdue athletics, Burke's asset allocation decisions have to be a concern.
The fact that Painter had to make the threat to leave that he did after his history and success at Purdue tells you all you need to know about the mentality of the Athletic Director, former President and Board of Trustees.
Goes back to Burke's penny pinching that coast Tiller most of his assistants. We lost a lot of good assistants that Tiller originally brought with him from Wyoming. By the time Tiller left, his staff was a shell of what it once was! Main reason recruiting suffered, hence the wins and loses suffered.
Nobody is arguing the fact that 10 years ago we were penny pinching. My claim is that since the Painter debacle the AD has been paying salaries for our revenue sports at a respectable level. We've also upgraded the BB facilities since then and just announced a major FB facilities project. We were cheap. I honestly don't think it's a major issue now.
So your point is what, that Morgan isn't stupid, he does learn, and react, eventually, even if it is way late?
Yes, I agree, Morgan is finally opening the purse to pay B1G coaching salaries, even if they're still in the lower tier. But previously he had the battleship going in the wrong direction with a full-head of steam, so yes, a lot of folks rightly blame Morgan (+BOT and Cordova) for the current debacle in football, and the recently ended basketball debacle, because the poor decisions of the past have negative consequences well into the future, even after you begin to correct for them. And Morgan and the BOT sure as heck don't deserve credit for fixing what they never would have if not for Painter having the guts to back 'em down!
I do give Painter lots of credit for calling the AD out. But the fact remains that since that time we can't really complain about what we are spending across the board. In fact, it looks like we paid our current FB way too much. And I don't see value in getting worked up over the fact we were cheap ten years ago.
I find it interesting that When Cordova was president, Athletic department was forced to share Big 10 TV Revenue with Academic side. When Cordova leaves the Burke slowly changes monetary policy regarding Coaches pay / additional facilities. I still have to cry that the WBB and FB programs are headed in the wrong direction, but to for Purdue to get the Captains in place to change directions, we have to pay the right wages.
Motel 6 doesn't cost the same as a Hyatt. Neither do coaches.
Imagine that! A foreign born Purdue President, from a socialist country, like Cordova having no clue about athletics programs and why they need to be properly managed?
