Colvin and Heide yikes

[BoilerDaddy]

Remember Myles last year? He was lost on defense and appeared to be completely focused on scoring.

Yesterday, we saw Myles doing all of the little things to help the team win. It may not show up in the box score, but he has bought in to his role and is playing winning basketball. The scoring will eventually come, but even with 1 point, Myles was a key contributor to Purdue’s win yesterday.

 

[purduedavie]

Care to make a gentlemen's bet on how many we lose to the portal this off-season?

I don’t think any of the Big 3 leave, I do think Purdue loses a few players, my guess would be two, Berg needs to move down a level to say a Loyola, he’s a decent player just in my opinion not one that plays a lot of minutes on a contending one, think Waddell with 1 more year likely with degree in hand goes elsewhere for an opportunity to play. That’s just a guess, might even see another leave, who knows? As for the portal, hope 1 frontcourt player is brought in.

 

[Boiler Buck]

This thread just won't die. LOL

 

[Gman544]

Remember Myles last year? He was lost on defense and appeared to be completely focused on scoring.

Yesterday, we saw Myles doing all of the little things to help the team win. It may not show up in the box score, but he has bought in to his role and is playing winning basketball. The scoring will eventually come, but even with 1 point, Myles was a key contributor to Purdue’s win yesterday.

He has matured and now he gets it on defense:

“The more you talk, the more you're engaged, so it's easier to be more connected on the defensive end,” Myles Colvin said. “It's also just having that mindset of playing defense. You're not going to be able to be a good defender if you're not willing to play defense, or be connected and run a string through your team."

 

[SKYDOG]

He has matured and now he gets it on defense:

“The more you talk, the more you're engaged, so it's easier to be more connected on the defensive end,” Myles Colvin said. “It's also just having that mindset of playing defense. You're not going to be able to be a good defender if you're not willing to play defense, or be connected and run a string through your team."

What the heck does that word salad mean?

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

What the heck does that word salad mean?

He has bought in to the defensive side after he understood he is not one of the 3 players that will be featured on offense. He understands this is how he gets to play more mins.

 

[urbanhack]

Listen myles will be fine he just needs to work on his shot and do the little things he did good on defense

Was at the game yesterday and he was making everything in warmups and looked great. I think it’s just matter of continuing to mature and get into the flow of games better. Both he and Heide played important minutes down the stretch because of defense and rebounding. It was great to see them be involved down the stretch of a big game on the road. This should be a great confidence builder for both of them.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Was at the game yesterday and he was making everything in warmups and looked great. I think it’s just matter of continuing to mature and get into the flow of games better. Both he and Heide played important minutes down the stretch because of defense and rebounding. It was great to see them be involved down the stretch of a big game on the road. This should be a great confidence builder for both of them.

He missed the first 3 at the 14.5 min mark first half and didnt shoot and didnt shoot again until 7 min left in second half (besides the flagrant foul that wasn’t called on bittle where he missed his dunk). It’s hard to get it going when you don’t get manufactured shots for you in the offense.

But I keep saying, as long as they ay their roles well, Purdue will be put in a very good position to win the game.

 

[proudopete]

He missed the first 3 at the 14.5 min mark first half and didnt shoot and didnt shoot again until 7 min left in second half (besides the flagrant foul that wasn’t called on bittle where he missed his dunk). It’s hard to get it going when you don’t get manufactured shots for you in the offense.

But I keep saying, as long as they ay their roles well, Purdue will be put in a very good position to win the game.

I wonder why Painter doesn’t run any plays for them. He ran two plays in a row yesterday for non big 3 players. Both were open looks from 3 for Burgess and Harris. I wish we ran more of that stuff for Loyer too.

 

[northside100]

I don’t think any of the Big 3 leave, I do think Purdue loses a few players, my guess would be two, Berg needs to move down a level to say a Loyola, he’s a decent player just in my opinion not one that plays a lot of minutes on a contending one, think Waddell with 1 more year likely with degree in hand goes elsewhere for an opportunity to play. That’s just a guess, might even see another leave, who knows? As for the portal, hope 1 frontcourt player is brought in.

I actually think Berg can play at a high major level but he needs game experience. It would probably help him to go down a level and then try to get a high major NIL deal his last year. Or just ride it out at Purdue.

 

[Lineman1968]

I actually think Berg can play at a high major level but he needs game experience. It would probably help him to go down a level and then try to get a high major NIL deal his last year. Or just ride it out at Purdue.

Not saying that are teams that he couldn’t help but he is too slow footed to fit into most Division 1 schemes. I think he fit better at a lower level.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

I wonder why Painter doesn’t run any plays for them. He ran two plays in a row yesterday for non big 3 players. Both were open looks from 3 for Burgess and Harris. I wish we ran more of that stuff for Loyer too.

They didn’t run plays specifically for those 2. Burgess was open off a pick and pop but he as def not the first or 2nd option. Same with Harris.

 

[proudopete]

They didn’t run plays specifically for those 2. Burgess was open off a pick and pop but he as def not the first or 2nd option. Same with Harris.

I’ll watch the game again and let you know but I’m pretty sure they ran those two plays for the benefactor on each one.

 

[bonefish1]

Remember Myles last year? He was lost on defense and appeared to be completely focused on scoring.

Yesterday, we saw Myles doing all of the little things to help the team win. It may not show up in the box score, but he has bought in to his role and is playing winning basketball. The scoring will eventually come, but even with 1 point, Myles was a key contributor to Purdue’s win yesterday.

I think it would help Myles to get an easy bucket to start his shift instead of coming in and jacking up the first 3 look he gets. Get a sweat going, get warm, get some flow. it's probably psychological but getting a bucket, any bucket, takes the pressure off.

 

[bonefish1]

I actually think Berg can play at a high major level but he needs game experience. It would probably help him to go down a level and then try to get a high major NIL deal his last year. Or just ride it out at Purdue.

I was expecting to see a lot more of a Euro style game from Berg based on his early videos.

It also looks to me like he's put on a lot of bulk (not confirmed) and I'm wondering if that impacted his mobility.

 

[bonefish1]

They didn’t run plays specifically for those 2. Burgess was open off a pick and pop but he as def not the first or 2nd option. Same with Harris.

Did either of those 3's by Burgess get tipped or where they both just way way off?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I was expecting to see a lot more of a Euro style game from Berg based on his early videos.

It also looks to me like he's put on a lot of bulk (not confirmed) and I'm wondering if that impacted his mobility.

He’s definitely slower than I remember him being in those workout videos. Maybe the foot injury contributed to that ?

 

[northside100]

I was expecting to see a lot more of a Euro style game from Berg based on his early videos.

It also looks to me like he's put on a lot of bulk (not confirmed) and I'm wondering if that impacted his mobility.

Yeah, it looks like he has some skills but it doesn't seem to be translating into a game environment. Maybe he just doesn't have 'it', but I think getting some real playing time would help. He's certainly doesn't have elite mobility, even for his size, but IMO he looks more mobile than Haas and some other functional bigs we've seen in the Big Ten. The problem is he's not providing any of the upside benefits you need from those bigs to offset the lack of mobility relative to smaller fives.

 

[urbanhack]

I’ll watch the game again and let you know but I’m pretty sure they ran those two plays for the benefactor on each one.

No...not for Burgess. OR purposefully didn't guard him. He just shot because he was wide open.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

Did either of those 3's by Burgess get tipped or where they both just way way off?

Way off. PJ was LIVID after he took the second one….but tbh I love the kid’s confidence to shoot another 3, on the road.

 

[bonefish1]

Yeah, it looks like he has some skills but it doesn't seem to be translating into a game environment. Maybe he just doesn't have 'it', but I think getting some real playing time would help. He's certainly doesn't have elite mobility, even for his size, but IMO he looks more mobile than Haas and some other functional bigs we've seen in the Big Ten. The problem is he's not providing any of the upside benefits you need from those bigs to offset the lack of mobility relative to smaller fives.

I agree. He's not a stiff. This level of competition still seems fast for him, It's hard to find 7'2 guys who can move. Would love to know if Brantly thinks he can build him into a solid player.

 

[bonefish1]

Way off. PJ was LIVID after he took the second one….but tbh I love the kid’s confidence to shoot another 3, on the road.

it's hard to completely airball 2 wide open looks like that.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

it's hard to completely airball 2 wide open looks like that.

Haha he was excited I guess

 

[northside100]

it's hard to completely airball 2 wide open looks like that.

I mean, I could do it pretty easily, but was surprised to see RB do it.

 

[SKYDOG]

Got to start getting some production from these two. Tonight in 22 minutes combined no points and 3 rebounds. They have got to find a way to score. I know they are better than this.

 

[Poprudy]

Got to start getting some production from these two. Tonight in 22 minutes combined no points and 3 rebounds. They have got to find a way to score. I know they are better than this.

100% agree. This needs to be a collective group effort. We don't have ZE to bail us out anymore or put us in great spots. Everyone needs to step up for this team to be great.

 

[krazychicagod]

Got to start getting some production from these two. Tonight in 22 minutes combined no points and 3 rebounds. They have got to find a way to score. I know they are better than this.

You are wrong. They arent. Neither can dribble. They can not get past their man. They are 100% spot up guys only and not very good ones at that. Their wide open % is higher than most with all that smith does for them and they still are invisible

 

[jdbrees922]

Tell that to Painter who didn’t play Colvin at all and Heide a brief stint in the second half. And instead tried forcing it inside all game

 

[Gman544]

Purdue came off a long road trip. They faced an athletic team with some big guards that made 11 3’s shooting 47% from three. They were hitting crazy shots at the buzzer at a high percentage. Purdue did not play well in the second half and were bothered by their athleticism and physical play. All the critiques here have good points. In the end Ohio State got red hot and beat a tired Purdue team in the second half.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Tell that to Painter who didn’t play Colvin at all and Heide a brief stint in the second half. And instead tried forcing it inside all game

Maybe he had a reason not to play them. Maybe.

 

[qazplm]

Purdue came off a long road trip. They faced an athletic team with some big guards that made 11 3’s shooting 47% from three. They were hitting crazy shots at the buzzer at a high percentage. Purdue did not play well in the second half and were bothered by their athleticism and physical play. All the critiques here have good points. In the end Ohio State got red hot and beat a tired Purdue team in the second half.

I mean Colvin and Heide haven't been playing forty minutes a game. This was a great time for them to step in and pick up their games and the slack.

Right now both of them are simply too passive. Heide won't take shots, and Colvin let's it get to him too much when he misses one.

We are effectively playing 8 deep with Burgess getting token minutes and our top two bench guys are giving us next to nothing too many games.

Tonight 23 minutes, 2 shots, 0 points, 3 rebounds and 2 assists.
That's just not going to work.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Don’t use tiredness as an excuse for a loss…good teams find a way to beat a team at home who is only 2 games over .500 coming in. We sucked tonight….and have major issues playing 3 (Smith, Loyer, Kaufman-Renn) on 5. If one of those three is off …then it is very, very difficult to win. Painter isn’t helping the confidence of Colvin and Heidi by not running plays for those two. If Colvin and Heidi bolt after this season for a new start and are very productive elsewhere…that would not surprise me at all. Colvin and Heidi are talented…but Painter is not making use of that talent or does not know how , which frankly is very bad coaching!

 

[qazplm]

Tell that to Painter who didn’t play Colvin at all and Heide a brief stint in the second half. And instead tried forcing it inside all game

I mean what have either of them done while in there?

I get it, they can't shake out of this without opportunities but they are almost invisible when they get them.

They got 23 minutes of playing time between them tonight and they scored as many pts as I did and only got 3 more rebounds then I did.

 

[pubill]

Maybe he had a reason not to play them. Maybe.

Because they did zero in 1st half.

 

[pubill]

I mean what have either of them done while in there?

I get it, they can't shake out of this without opportunities but they are almost invisible when they get them.

They got 23 minutes of playing time between them tonight and they scored as many pts as I did and only got 3 more rebounds then I did.

Your D was good though

 

[pubill]

Don’t use tiredness as an excuse for a loss…good teams find a way to beat a team at home who is only 2 games over .500 coming in. We sucked tonight….and have major issues playing 3 (Smith, Loyer, Kaufman-Renn) on 5. If one of those three is off …then it is very, very difficult to win. Painter isn’t helping the confidence of Colvin and Heidi by not running plays for those two. If Colvin and Heidi bolt after this season for a new start and are very productive elsewhere…that would not surprise me at all. Colvin and Heidi are talented…but Painter is not making use of that talent or does not know how , which frankly is very bad coaching!

You just don’t understand.

 

[seminolesboilers]

Pubill…
You are a dolt when it comes to basketball IQ.

 

[qazplm]

Your D was good though

My D has been strong for a long time

 

[Gman544]

Don’t use tiredness as an excuse for a loss…good teams find a way to beat a team at home who is only 2 games over .500 coming in. We sucked tonight….and have major issues playing 3 (Smith, Loyer, Kaufman-Renn) on 5. If one of those three is off …then it is very, very difficult to win. Painter isn’t helping the confidence of Colvin and Heidi by not running plays for those two. If Colvin and Heidi bolt after this season for a new start and are very productive elsewhere…that would not surprise me at all. Colvin and Heidi are talented…but Painter is not making use of that talent or does not know how , which frankly is very bad coaching!

Put Newman in, same thing. He bolted and was a superstar and now in the NBA. Oh wait, he went to a lower tier program , got more minutes and had a mediocre career after Purdue. You have to make the most of your minutes in the game and show some consistency from game to game. Heide and Colvin have not. The fact is neither have good handles, the same thing that doomed Newman.

 

[jdbrees922]

Ever watch Loyer’s D . Don’t talk about not taking advantage of playing time . When they are in all we do is high ball screen and Smith dump it to Renn. Ever see that double screen we used to run for Dakota ?