Compare ryan walters resume to chuck Martin's and tell me how we end up with walters. There's a long list of others but good grief. D2 head coach success....check, coordinator success at big time d1 program....check, goes to a d1 hc position and has success....check.
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I hate to be the one to say it but if Walters wasn't African American I don't this he gets hired.
Again, there weren’t a lot of options for us when Brohm left. The thought was at least we’d have a young HC with a hot defense & B1G experience…
There's a ton of options...there's a couple really good coaches with proven track records in the MAC. Walters wasn't the best candidate.
I don’t think he was the “best candidate” either. He was the quickest, easiest to get that fit the budget & clicked the boxes, however…
As many have stated, BOBO knew Brohm was going to leave. He just didn’t know the year. He should have been working the phones 2 years before Brohm left. He should have had a list of 5 potential candidates when Brohm left. I cannot believe Walters was on that list.
When Keady left there was a list of 3 coaches to replace him: Weber, Stallings and Painter. I have to believe Painter also has a list of replacements for when he retires.
Tiller had a list and Hope was on that list.
The decision to hire Walters was a hasty one and made basically because some other school had shown interest. It did not follow a logical selection process.
When Keady left there was a list of 3 coaches to replace him: Weber, Stallings and Painter. I have to believe Painter also has a list of replacements for when he retires.
Tiller had a list and Hope was on that list.
The decision to hire Walters was a hasty one and made basically because some other school had shown interest. It did not follow a logical selection process.
What proof is there that Purdue had no other viable options. That theory has been offered before with no proof or support....
Yeah, I remember Tiller doing what he could to make the Hope transition work, but he never seemed very excited about it, even in public commentary.
The formula that has worked at Purdue during the last 30 years or so is hiring a coach who has had experience running a program and has won consistently.
Colletto hadn't run a program in over a decade when he was hired, and at any rate he was something like 17-38 at Cal State-Fullerton. Hazell, through no fault of his own, didn't yet have the track record to warrant being hired.
Hope compiled a mediocre record at Purdue coming off of the Tiller years, but now looks like Bear Bryant compared to Hazell and Walters.
As others have suggested, if MBob was not walking around with a list of proven head coaches after the Brohm/Tennessee thing and Louisville constantly lurking, it was a dereliction of duty.
Any list with coaches who had demonstrated success running theory own programs would have had guys like Cignetti on it.
Bobinski went away from what works in West Lafayette and we are paying the price.
Colletto hadn't run a program in over a decade when he was hired, and at any rate he was something like 17-38 at Cal State-Fullerton. Hazell, through no fault of his own, didn't yet have the track record to warrant being hired.
Hope compiled a mediocre record at Purdue coming off of the Tiller years, but now looks like Bear Bryant compared to Hazell and Walters.
As others have suggested, if MBob was not walking around with a list of proven head coaches after the Brohm/Tennessee thing and Louisville constantly lurking, it was a dereliction of duty.
Any list with coaches who had demonstrated success running theory own programs would have had guys like Cignetti on it.
Bobinski went away from what works in West Lafayette and we are paying the price.
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There’s always going to be that elephant in the room as long as dei and any other hiring practices exist that choose less qualified people over others based on the color of their skin. Was that the case here? I don’t know but this was a pretty terrible hire when we could have gotten others with more experience. Also from what I understand, grimes, who had a big say in the hire, was some sort of diversity officer at Alabama.
I have actually been pondering which coaches that Bobinski has hired during his tenure have been successful. Brohm comes to mind. Are there others?
If there is a paramount responsibility for an A.D., I believe that it is to retain great coaches (doing reasonably well on this front), coach up good coaches (don’t know that we have any “tweener“ coaches — perhaps CKG), and replace poor coaches. The latter then leads to the need to understand the school’s program and an application of coaching talent evaluation/recruitment.
Unless I am missing some Bobinski coaching hires in our Olympic sports who are excelling, it seems to me that Bobinski continuously falls woefully short on the coaching evaluation/ recruitment front.
Perhaps we need both a new football coach, but before that, a new A.D. so we don’t keep repeating these mistakes and expecting different outcomes.
If there is a paramount responsibility for an A.D., I believe that it is to retain great coaches (doing reasonably well on this front), coach up good coaches (don’t know that we have any “tweener“ coaches — perhaps CKG), and replace poor coaches. The latter then leads to the need to understand the school’s program and an application of coaching talent evaluation/recruitment.
Unless I am missing some Bobinski coaching hires in our Olympic sports who are excelling, it seems to me that Bobinski continuously falls woefully short on the coaching evaluation/ recruitment front.
Perhaps we need both a new football coach, but before that, a new A.D. so we don’t keep repeating these mistakes and expecting different outcomes.
They aren’t moving on from this AD. Not yet.
I would look to the associate AD for blame for Walters before the AD. All of this is curious to me as just 4 weeks ago Walters was the second coming of Mike Tomlin if you asked this board…
If Hope was not on Tiller’s list, why was he allowed to be his assistant coach for a year before taking over?
Either way, it supports my claim that the AD had a list of candidates to replace Tiller and Hope was at the top of that list.
Morgan supposedly had a list of candidates to replace Hope in midseason. Hope was supposedly informed he would not return after his embarrassing to Minnesota. Hope was allowed to coach through the remainder of the season.
Morgan supposedly had an agreement with the Northern Illinois coach to replace Hope already in place during the season. However he ended his season strong and received a better deal to coach at NC ST, so he took it.
This makes me wonder Why the current AD did not have a plan or names to replace Brohm and he jumped on hiring Walters.
Either way, it supports my claim that the AD had a list of candidates to replace Tiller and Hope was at the top of that list.
Morgan supposedly had a list of candidates to replace Hope in midseason. Hope was supposedly informed he would not return after his embarrassing to Minnesota. Hope was allowed to coach through the remainder of the season.
Morgan supposedly had an agreement with the Northern Illinois coach to replace Hope already in place during the season. However he ended his season strong and received a better deal to coach at NC ST, so he took it.
This makes me wonder Why the current AD did not have a plan or names to replace Brohm and he jumped on hiring Walters.
The only one on Tiller's list was Brock.
Burke hired Hope. What was Tiller going to do that last year quit?
I remember a story Tiller told, in private, about how Hope use to come running in about a great diamond in the rough recruit he had uncovered. The coaches would all roll their eyes, look at some film, and then move on.
Then again, it’s no secret that Tiller got lazy in recruiting late in his career and Hope actually had a fair share that earned/ are still earning NFL paychecks…
I certainly understand that there is an associate A.D. for football. That said, one would expect the A.D. (together with the president and BoT chair?) to make the final hiring decision relative to the head coach that leads the athletic program that generates 95% of all athletic revenue.
It’s just common sense and the embrace of accountability.
There was at least one coach that tiller refused to co-coach with. I can’t remember who it was, but I want to say it was an assistant at wisconsin? Tiller acquiesced to Hope, who I don’t believe was at the top of the list.
The AD did have a plan, he’s even said they started the coaching search as soon as there were rumors Louisville may be looking for a new coach way before it was known Brohm was leaving. I don’t think Walters was near the top of the list but it’s hard to bring someone in with our NIL. Let’s just be honest we are a stepping stone as it’s challenging to have sustainable success here in the NIL/portal world. I just saw a quantitative analysis ranking football coaching jobs and Purdue was dead last in the B1G. We’ve even had wives of prospective coach’s thumb their noses at Purdue due to horrible quality of life in west Lafayette. Unfortunately the lottery ticket coaching hire might be the best strategy.
Where did IronChef say that he was?
Hope found some solid players. There is no denying that.
As opposed to the outstanding quality of life in Lincoln, NE. Or Fayetteville, AR. Or Manhattan, KS.
West Lafayette is only an hour away from Carmel, IN. And not much further to Chicago suburbs.
The location isn't the issue. The issue is historically, Purdue hasn't paid much for their coaches.
Agreed, the Purdue job requires a coaching staff that more times than not has a coaching philosophy that gives Purdue an advantage over it's opposition..Young,Tiller and Brohm each managed to fit that bill.
Football is simple in some respects, it's about out numbering your opponent at the point of attack and executing a well conceived play at the right time.
Defensively and on offense, we are seeing neither,so for those that are suggesting to fire Harrell, how do you fire him without firing the defensive coach/coaches?
Last season we were competitive in all of the games that we should have been with players not belonging to CRW and a new system.
CRW has driven his Maserati job into the ditch. With nine games left,let's see what he does and make a decision at the end of the season.
BoBo could give two $hits what any of us think, so it's all going to come down to the $$$.
Yes quality of life is significantly better in those three cities. Good restaurants, Fayetteville is in a pretty area, Manhattan even has a zoo and aquarium I think, etc. unless the coaches wives are attached at the hip with their husbands going to team events, and if they have kids, it’s not the most enjoyable way to spend millions. The wives spend a lot of time alone with their husbands our recruiting and doing events. I can hardly blame them for not wanting to be homebodies.
I do think West Lafayette has gotten better with the new provenance district, trails, and what they did to state street. We dodged a bullet with butch jones but his wife pretty much told him she would not live in Lafayette area.
Shortly after paint started coaching for us, I met his mom at a festival in Chicago she was working (she worked for an airlines). I asked her if paint lived in west Lafayette thinking if I was making millions I might get some land outside of town or even live up in the northwest burbs of Indy. She laughed at me and said of course you think he lives in New York or something? He got divorced shortly after. Brohms wife moved back down to Louisville.
I know of several Purdue professors who live in zionsville area and commute and even a couple higher ups that live in Chicago and drive down their super luxury cars and stay in a hotel 2-3 nights a week.
I just think it’s tough to be as successful and wealthy as a big ten coach and live in west lafayette
And yet you missed the point I made that West Lafayette is an hour from Carmel...
Brohm's wife lived in Louisville because it was only 3 hours away and they have family there.
I guess South Bend is so much different as well...
I didn’t miss your point because well that is factual. You can get there in 70 minutes on a good day I don’t know what you mean. Are you suggesting a coach could live in Carmel? There’s no way a coach can get away with that. He needs to be on campus all the time every coach we’ve ever had has lived in the West Lafayette area.
If your point is, they can drive the 70 minutes to get dinner in Carmel that’s just ridiculous.
FFS. A coach doesn't have time during the season to do much of anything outside of coaching. So whether it's an hour or 15 min to get somewhere, it doesn't matter. When the season is over, these guys can live anywhere they want and recruit from there. They have the money to have multiple houses and fly privately. If their wife wants to stay in Indy or Chicago part of the week, get her an apartment or a house in a great location. You're making location a much bigger deal than it really is.
Most college towns are pretty livable if your criteria are decent restaurants and some other amenities. Schools might be a factor for coaches with kids, but again, college professors are going to want good schools, so that's also not really an issue.Location doesn't matter that much. You can win anywhere with a good coach. A good coach strongly benefits from a robust NIL.
Walters so far hasn't proven to be a good coach, and he doesn't have a robust NIL.
Walters so far hasn't proven to be a good coach, and he doesn't have a robust NIL.
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