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Final Four, anybody?

NBA calibre front court (both Vince and Haas projected to go second round in mocks). Carsen and Mathias look like they might get an audition to make an NBA roster even if undrafted. PJ is solid, solid, solid. Eastern and Haarms probably have the best pro prospects out of the freshmen bunch. Cline, Ewing, Taylor as solid rotational players

Yeah, I may be drinking the cool-ade but looks like a minimum of 3 NBA players on this team, perhaps as many as 4-6

Floor I think is top 3 in the BIG + 2nd round NCAA
 
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Well you started the post with the Ceiling.....that would be FF that is about as high as this bunch could go.

Floor - well that would be 5/6th in B1G and on the bubble for NCAAT.

Truth - somewhere in middle.
 
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I agree the floor should be top 3 in the BIG 10 and Sweet 16. the ceiling will depend on the match-ups. Experience is good. But talent taken to another level and being able to win in hostile territory against an elite opponent is what gets you to a final 4. I can see Purdue getting a 3 or 4 seed. But, to make it to the final 4, Purdue would have to beat both a 1 and 2 seed on the same weekend away from Mackey. Rather than setting a ceiling, I think predicting the floor is more appropriate.

I think you need to lower your expectations. Purdue will be a top 20 team and garner another 20 win season. is the final 4 a possibility? yes, but not a given

I believe the key to the season will be the role V Edwards plays. Will he play at SF, and create a logjam in our backcourt? or will he play PF and Purdue will go with a small ball line-up? Which newcomer will emerge? Will it be Eastern creating a nice dilemma at guard? or will it be Taylor, Ewing, or Wheeler, allowing Purdue to have a bigger team?

I'm one of the few that believes our newcomers are a tad better than our current cast. Will they earn a chance to prove it? or will we go with experience over talent?
 
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boilerzz said:
So, then the ceiling?
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I see sweet 16 as the floor and the ceiling. Purdue struggles against tough and elite teams, especially in tournaments where they have little time to prepare. there were several games Purdue should have won last year, but laid an egg. and there were several games Purdue won that could have gone the other way.

As I look at Purdue, I see a top 20 team. but what has been Purdue's track record against other top 20 teams on the road? and when Purdue makes the sweet 16, making the assumption that all things go according to script, Purdue as a #3 or #4 seed will have to play two top 10 teams on the same weekend. And I don't see this current Purdue team being able to beat a top 10 team on the road. if Purdue receives a #4 seed - which is very possible - their first game would be against one of the top 5 teams in the NCAA, and I just don't see them winning a #4 vs #1 game on a neutral court.

and then there is the BIG 10 bias. Many fans outside the BIG 10 thought Purdue getting a #4 seed last year was a gift.

Purdue does not have a Dwayne Wade who can carry this team to the Final 4. How did UW make it? They were the recipients of some tourney upsets and had frank the tank. how did Butler make it? to this day, I have no clue. . So sweet 16 is my floor and ceiling.
 
I guess it all boils down to - do you honestly believe Purdue can beat a top 5 team on the road ? because that's what it's going to take to get past the sweet 16.
 
I re-watched the Villanova game. Swanigan started off hot with a made layup and a wide open 3, both off nice assist passes. You're thinking that will be hard to replace. But look what happened between that easy 3 and the next positive play he made: he threw a bad pass that Villanova stole and dunked, missed a layup, got dunked on, committed foul on a rebound attempt, missed another layup, scored on again, 2 missed free throws, not quick enough to bend down and catch a hard pass from Carsen, dunked on again when he helped off his man, jogged down court and Nova got an easy driving layup.

TEN straight negative plays from a "national POTY candidate." Efficiency is the #1 thing to winning a championship. Sophomore Swanigan wasn't efficient enough. This year's team will be much more efficient. The ceiling is much higher.
 
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I re-watched the Villanova game. Swanigan started off hot with a made layup and a wide open 3, both off nice assist passes. You're thinking that will be hard to replace. But look what happened between that easy 3 and the next positive play he made: he threw a bad pass that Villanova stole and dunked, missed a layup, got dunked on, committed foul on a rebound attempt, missed another layup, scored on again, 2 missed free throws, not quick enough to bend down and catch a hard pass from Carsen, dunked on again when he helped off his man, jogged down court and Nova got an easy driving layup.

TEN straight negative plays from a "national POTY candidate." Efficiency is the #1 thing to winning a championship. Sophomore Swanigan wasn't efficient enough. This year's team will be much more efficient. The ceiling is much higher.
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for all his plusses, Swanigan also had his faults. Butler has succeeded in the tourney based purely on player efficiency. that formula works. But my experience is that a team can also ride the coat tails of a player who elevates his game at the right time ala Michigan's Wilson. he took his game to an entirely new level. As I look at Purdue, I see the second coming of Butler next year. I see an experienced and efficient team. A lot of our turnovers were made by Swanigan. but a lot of our second efforts were also made by Swanigan.

Does Purdue have a guy like Michigan's Wilson that will turn his game up a notch during the tourney? C Edwards? V Edwards? I don't know. I have the belief if Purdue does make the Final 4 it will be because a player like C Edwards has refined and elevated his game to a higher level. the opportunity is there.
Can Purdue beat a Duke, UK, Louisville or MSU on a neutral court? those are all lofty teams and lofty expectations.
 
Duke lost 7 key players. Kentucky lost 8 of their top 9 scorers. Tournament seasoned Purdue would beat both of them.
 
I'm not saying this team will or won't be good enough to do either, but if they are good enough to get to the Final Four then they are good enough to win it all.
 
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SnowLeopard said:
Final Four, anybody?

NBA calibre front court (both Vince and Haas projected to go second round in mocks). Carsen and Mathias look like they might get an audition to make an NBA roster even if undrafted. PJ is solid, solid, solid. Eastern and Haarms probably have the best pro prospects out of the freshmen bunch. Cline, Ewing, Taylor as solid rotational players

Yeah, I may be drinking the cool-ade but looks like a minimum of 3 NBA players on this team, perhaps as many as 4-6

Floor I think is top 3 in the BIG + 2nd round NCAA
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The ceiling is CMP
 
icewind7 said:
As long as the ceiling doesn't have a hole and leaks water
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I believe 20 wins will be the floor. For the ceiling, they can win it all.
I believe this team wins 21-27 games, competes for a BIG title, in a much improved league and bows out before the final 4.
 
I would love to see a final 4 or win it all performance, but I think we would need a little luck to go quite that far. I think the ceiling is a Big Ten regular season title and an elite 8 appearance. The floor would be 4th in the Big (a #8 seed) and a loss in the round of 32 due to a bad matchup. If all goes well and I expect that it will, it should be a great season to watch unfold. According to my final countdown app, only 136 days until the regular season begins! Can't wait!
 
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I would love to see a final 4 or win it all performance, but I think we would need a little luck to go quite that far. I think the ceiling is a Big Ten regular season title and an elite 8 appearance. The floor would be 4th in the Big (a #8 seed) and a loss in the round of 32 due to a bad matchup. If all goes well and I expect that it will, it should be a great season to watch unfold. According to my final countdown app, only 136 days until the regular season begins! Can't wait!
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I'll say the final 8

 
WabashRiver said:
I re-watched the Villanova game. Swanigan started off hot with a made layup and a wide open 3, both off nice assist passes. You're thinking that will be hard to replace. But look what happened between that easy 3 and the next positive play he made: he threw a bad pass that Villanova stole and dunked, missed a layup, got dunked on, committed foul on a rebound attempt, missed another layup, scored on again, 2 missed free throws, not quick enough to bend down and catch a hard pass from Carsen, dunked on again when he helped off his man, jogged down court and Nova got an easy driving layup.

TEN straight negative plays from a "national POTY candidate." Efficiency is the #1 thing to winning a championship. Sophomore Swanigan wasn't efficient enough. This year's team will be much more efficient. The ceiling is much higher.
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lmao you have to be kidding me. There's no way you believe all of this. What a terrible post.
 
Today I say 25+ wins.....top 3 finish in Big Ten and Sweet Sixteen.

Ask me again when season starts.....
 
ThreeTwaunMoore said:
Guys!!! Our first team All American hurt us more than helped! We are better off without him! Our ceiling is much higher without a first team All American!!!!
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Lol right. Though it is a home board so its not very surprising. We got absolutely worked in the s16, lose a guy who was probably the 2nd best player in purdue history and people are just expecting us to cruise to another s16.
 
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I finished re-watching the last 4 minutes and overtime of Purdue's home loss to Minny. Cline started off the action with a tough 3. But then he had his entry pass tipped and stolen (the same exact guy later tipped and stole Dakota's entry pass so Purdue might not have had a good scouting report on him) and he was beaten on defense by a drive. PJ and Cline made up for weak defensive games by combining to force a big shot clock violation with 12 seconds left. They have heart.

Here's Biggie's action during that stretch: had his 3 blocked, missed a circus shot, missed a contested turnaround, scored the tying basket on a 1 on 1 post up with 5 seconds left, scored on an offensive rebound in overtime, got a violation that negated a Dakota basket, missed a tough shot, turned it over. You can see Biggie made some big plays in there. You can also see he shot almost every time and wasn't very consistent as usual. Biggie did have 20 rebounds. Vince had 2 offensive rebounds in this 9 minute stretch. Even if there's a dropoff in rebounding at the 5, with Vince at the 4 Purdue will still be a good rebounding team. Vince also drove right by his man the one time he attempted it but the elite shot blocker Lynch helped over and blocked it out of bounds. The film shows Vince can get to the rim anytime he wants. Give Vince Biggie's action and he'll do more with it. Purdue's ceiling is higher in 2017.
 
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Sorry but I do not know your age johnhooiser but there have been many great players in Purdue history. And for you to assume that Biggie was the second best ever is rather short sighted in IMHO.
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Name one other purdue player who was 1st team all American as a sophomore.
 
WabashRiver said:
I finished re-watching the last 4 minutes and overtime of Purdue's home loss to Minny. Cline started off the action with a tough 3. But then he had his entry pass tipped and stolen (the same exact guy later tipped and stole Dakota's entry pass so Purdue might not have had a good scouting report on him) and he was beaten on defense by a drive. PJ and Cline made up for weak defensive games by combining to force a big shot clock violation with 12 seconds left. They have heart.

Here's Biggie's action during that stretch: had his 3 blocked, missed a circus shot, missed a contested turnaround, scored the tying basket on a 1 on 1 post up with 5 seconds left, scored on an offensive rebound in overtime, got a violation that negated a Dakota basket, missed a tough shot, turned it over. You can see Biggie made some big plays in there. You can also see he shot almost every time and wasn't very consistent as usual. Biggie did have 20 rebounds. Vince had 2 offensive rebounds in this 9 minute stretch. Even if there's a dropoff in rebounding at the 5, with Vince at the 4 Purdue will still be a good rebounding team. Vince also drove right by his man the one time he attempted it but the elite shot blocker Lynch helped over and blocked it out of bounds. The film shows Vince can get to the rim anytime he wants. Give Vince Biggie's action and he'll do more with it. Purdue's ceiling is higher in 2017.
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Biggie had 28 points and 22 rebounds vs. Minnesota. LMAO 28 and 22 and this guy is ripping his performance.The free board never disappoints. Can't wait till this dude's next post about how he played bad in a two minute stretch at Michigan State. Time to troll somewhere else.
 
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Biggie played 41 minutes that game and only hit 50% of his 20 field goal attempts. Plus Minnesota didn't have a traditional big at the 5. That's why they had to triple team Haas. Those are "inflated stats." Inflated from excessive usage and easy matchup.
 
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Biggie played 41 minutes that game and only hit 50% of his 20 field goal attempts. Plus Minnesota didn't have a traditional big at the 5. That's why they had to triple team Haas. Those are "inflated stats." Inflated from excessive usage and easy matchup.
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A season very similar to 2015 - 2016.
3rd in Big Ten. 1 win in BTT. Close loss in 2nd Rd of NCAA.
 
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