Can you rescind a redshirt mid season?

[BoilerFan4Life]

Can you rescind a redshirt mid season? I assume you can, but I've never seen it play out that way.

If so, I would say you redshirt Cline. Right now he seems to be the 11th guy on our roster (assuming he is behind Dakota and Kendall at the 2 and 3 position on the traditional depth chart outlook). If we have some injuries mid-season, then you would pull his shirt and he could start playing.

Obviously, that's not an ideal scenario for a player; but I just don't see Cline getting much playing time if the top 10 stay relatively injury free. Painter has commented that he regrets tinkering too much during the non-conference season trying to figure out what lineups worked best. He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

Although I admit it's tempting to have a situational lineup of Thompson, Stephens, Mathias, Cline plus one big if we want to fire a bunch of three pointers or shot free throws down the stretch.

As a fan, it's nice when this is what we're worrying about prior to the season. I don't recall a team with this much depth. Painter has some tough choices to make in my opinion.

 

[boilerzz]

There is nothing to rescind midseason. Redshirt decisions are technically made following the season.

As such, a coach can change his mind at any time. Personally, I don't think it's fair to the player to do so if more than 35-40% of the season is complete. But there is no reason why Purdue couldn't elect to hold Cline out of the first 4-5 games to see how things are going rotationally and health wise. You do lose some of the benefit of playing a new player through the non-conference though.

 

[*4purdue*]

He's had 1 exhibition game & you want to red shirt him? CMP thought enough of him to start him in the second half when RD when down with injury. He also had the 4th most minutes in the game. I think Cline is going to be in that rotation at the 2 guard with Stephens & Mathias.... whoever is hot on a certain night will play. Cline is not 11th on the depth chart. The answer to your question is yes, you can pull a red shirt any time.

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Guys...he does not need to red shirt. It is perfectly ok for a freshman to ride a lot of pine and get spot minutes. He's not a 5 star stud. Get him in the rhythm of the cbb season and let him spell some guys and be a solid practice guy. I think with all the turnover the last few years we have become accustom to guys playing a lot before they are really mature enough to be playing those kinds of minutes. but this is not necessary this year and hopefully not for a long time. If we rely on kids like Cline (who will EVENTUALLY be good players) to come in and immediately compete, we won't win at the level we all desire. watching guys like dakota, ryne, rj, etc... play too much too early is frustrating and leads to losses. Let's lean on our experience and mix the new blood in slowly.

 

[BBG]

Guys...he does not need to red shirt. It is perfectly ok for a freshman to ride a lot of pine and get spot minutes. He's not a 5 star stud. Get him in the rhythm of the cbb season and let him spell some guys and be a solid practice guy. I think with all the turnover the last few years we have become accustom to guys playing a lot before they are really mature enough to be playing those kinds of minutes. but this is not necessary this year and hopefully not for a long time. If we rely on kids like Cline (who will EVENTUALLY be good players) to come in and immediately compete, we won't win at the level we all desire. watching guys like dakota, ryne, rj, etc... play too much too early is frustrating and leads to losses. Let's lean on our experience and mix the new blood in slowly.

Exactly. We need the shooters because right now I am not sold KS has shaken his slump yet.

But then again, that is why CMP is in charge.

 

[Dryfly88]

Exactly. We need the shooters because right now I am not sold KS has shaken his slump yet.

X2. Couldn't agree more. I wish everyone would quit worrying about Cline 4 years from now. Play him this year whenever needed and you still have 3 more years of him. In those 3 years I'm sure Coach will recruit other shooters and we move on. We are already RS 2 guys for non-medical reasons, we don't need a 3rd.

 

[sixpackpete]

Painter has commented that he regrets tinkering too much during the non-conference season trying to figure out what lineups worked best. He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

4Life,
I bring up that remark because it has been brought up MANY times in this discussion.

However that remark by Coach cannot be taken in a vacuum. I think it MUST be read in conjunction to who we played that following year. A Senior Ryne certainly could have help in a line-up consisting of Seniors DJ Byrd and Dru Anthrop, Junior Terone Johnson, Soph Anthony Johnson, and Freshmen Ronnie Johnson, Stephen Toyra, and Rapheal Davis.

Now if recruiting falls off to the point that our best guards in four years are comparable to the Johnsons, DJ, and a freshman Davis then I agree we SHOULD redshirt Cline.

But I, like most (including, hopefully Coach) expect a better group in 2019-20!

 

[ustankass]

Exactly. We need the shooters because right now I am not sold KS has shaken his slump yet.

But then again, that is why CMP is in charge.

Not trying to pick a fight, but I just find it funny when people say a kid who shot 38.4% from 3 last year and has the most 3 pointers through his first 2 years of any player at Purdue is in a slump. I do get it though, we expect a ton from him. We want his actual production to meet our expectations. A lot of times that doesn't happen. And I will say some, not referencing you, will never be happy even if he leads the nation 3 point percentage. But then again some people just like to be negative.

 

[FleeTheScene]

He's had 1 exhibition game & you want to red shirt him? CMP thought enough of him to start him in the second half when RD when down with injury. He also had the 4th most minutes in the game. I think Cline is going to be in that rotation at the 2 guard with Stephens & Mathias.... whoever is hot on a certain night will play. Cline is not 11th on the depth chart. The answer to your question is yes, you can pull a red shirt any time.

Not a comment on whether he should redshirt or not but I took all the minutes that he was playing as more of an audition to not be redshirted more than anything. At this point he's not going to be off the bench before Dakota or Kendall even if it plays out that way down the line. The exhibition I think was to just get him some run and see how it plays out more than an actual indication of where he's at in the rotation right now.

 

[Statey]

He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

Since others have answered your primary question already, I'm going to beat up on another part of your post.... and I realize you're not the only one that has stated the above...

If this has been brought up once on this board, it's be said 1,001 times. Painter made one comment that if he had it to do all over again, he'd have redshirted Smith. It a simple statement, but one driven by various factors such as Smith's readiness as a frosh, team depth, injuries that couldn't be foretold, and other unique factors spanning a 5-year time period.

I don't know at what point fans interpreted this statement to mean that every non-McDAA to enroll at Purdue should redshirt his freshman year, but it's really starting to feel that's the belief of some people. I would venture to guess that in every single redshirt-related post since Painter made that statement - and yes, there have been plenty of them - anybody who's taken a position that a player of questionable value shouldn't redshirt has been met with a response of "well, you know Painter wishes he would have redshirted Smith", as if that one situation must have some sort of transitive application to all other players to ever don a Purdue jersey.

Sorry, not picking on you personally (although I'm sure it reads like that), rather just this notion that everyone should redshirt. It's baffling to me. Frankly, I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a "Biggie should redshirt post", talking about how much better he'd be after practicing with H/H for a year and how he'd just take the whole NCAA by storm next year, all because of the magical powers of a redshirt season. [end rant]

 

[Heller]

Since others have answered your primary question already, I'm going to beat up on another part of your post.... and I realize you're not the only one that has stated the above...

If this has been brought up once on this board, it's be said 1,001 times. Painter made one comment that if he had it to do all over again, he'd have redshirted Smith. It a simple statement, but one driven by various factors such as Smith's readiness as a frosh, team depth, injuries that couldn't be foretold, and other unique factors spanning a 5-year time period.

I don't know at what point fans interpreted this statement to mean that every non-McDAA to enroll at Purdue should redshirt his freshman year, but it's really starting to feel that's the belief of some people. I would venture to guess that in every single redshirt-related post since Painter made that statement - and yes, there have been plenty of them - anybody who's taken a position that a player of questionable value shouldn't redshirt has been met with a response of "well, you know Painter wishes he would have redshirted Smith", as if that one situation must have some sort of transitive application to all other players to ever don a Purdue jersey.

Sorry, not picking on you personally (although I'm sure it reads like that), rather just this notion that everyone should redshirt. It's baffling to me. Frankly, I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a "Biggie should redshirt post", talking about how much better he'd be after practicing with H/H for a year and how he'd just take the whole NCAA by storm next year, all because of the magical powers of a redshirt season. [end rant]

I liked your rant but the truth is all freshmen should redshirt. Of course that will happen like never.

 

[rjmpu82]

I also am not sure KS can be consistent for us from 3 range or going to the basket at times or defensively. I think he has the talent but would like to see it on display more frequently now that he is a junior.

 

[BoilerFan#35]

Why is everyone doubting Kendall? Nearly every Big Ten team would find minutes for a player like him. I agree start Cline with a shirt no reason to make a kid only play in garbage time his freshman year. If you guys think because he started the 2nd half of an exhibition game makes him above Dakota and Kendall you are wrong. Painter would have said he wasn't shirting not that they'll talk about it after the game.

 

[BoilerNGold013]

Kid has a lot of smarts and talent from a positioning stand point, shooting ability, and passing. He really needs to come along on his defense though. Its very interesting. I came away from the exhibition thinking that he is pretty far behind on the on-ball portion of defense due to his man beating him into the paint on multiple occasions but others were impressed due to the steals he had. I think once the BIG season rolls around, if he hasn't improved ALOT on his on the ball D-game then I don't see anything more than spot minutes for him. That said, too talented already and not THAT FAR off from a physical standpoint to not play this year. He shouldn't redshirt.

 

[Boiledin90]

Can you rescind a redshirt mid season? I assume you can, but I've never seen it play out that way.

If so, I would say you redshirt Cline. Right now he seems to be the 11th guy on our roster (assuming he is behind Dakota and Kendall at the 2 and 3 position on the traditional depth chart outlook). If we have some injuries mid-season, then you would pull his shirt and he could start playing.

Obviously, that's not an ideal scenario for a player; but I just don't see Cline getting much playing time if the top 10 stay relatively injury free. Painter has commented that he regrets tinkering too much during the non-conference season trying to figure out what lineups worked best. He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

Although I admit it's tempting to have a situational lineup of Thompson, Stephens, Mathias, Cline plus one big if we want to fire a bunch of three pointers or shot free throws down the stretch.

As a fan, it's nice when this is what we're worrying about prior to the season. I don't recall a team with this much depth. Painter has some tough choices to make in my opinion.

 

[Boiledin90]

After watching Cline play in HS, and now even only after 1 pre-season game...NO WAY Cline redshirts. Painter says he's the best shooter he's recruited, he's big enough and as long as he doesn't D-up against a YF type PG, he'll be fine on defense. Finally - did you see the pass to Swanigan in the first game???? No...there's no chance he RSs...

 

[*4purdue*]

Funny thing is, if he goes 5 for 5 from the arc Friday night, these same people saying he should redshirt will be calling for him to start over Stephens and Mathias.

 

[mathboy]

Funny thing is, if he goes 5 for 5 from the arc Friday night, these same people saying he should redshirt will be calling for him to start over Stephens and Mathias.

Lots of bleecher coaches... including me. We all like to guess at what is going to happen. My guess is that Cline is showing some things in practice we see only a little bit of in a game like this one.

Just guessing, but I bet Stephens is lights out in practice. That is why he attempts to shoot in the game. He needs to do that to break through his slump. ...and honestly, it is not much of a slump for most shooters, but compared to what we know he could shoot, it's a slump.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Can you rescind a redshirt mid season? I assume you can, but I've never seen it play out that way.

If so, I would say you redshirt Cline. Right now he seems to be the 11th guy on our roster (assuming he is behind Dakota and Kendall at the 2 and 3 position on the traditional depth chart outlook). If we have some injuries mid-season, then you would pull his shirt and he could start playing.

Obviously, that's not an ideal scenario for a player; but I just don't see Cline getting much playing time if the top 10 stay relatively injury free. Painter has commented that he regrets tinkering too much during the non-conference season trying to figure out what lineups worked best. He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

Although I admit it's tempting to have a situational lineup of Thompson, Stephens, Mathias, Cline plus one big if we want to fire a bunch of three pointers or shot free throws down the stretch.

As a fan, it's nice when this is what we're worrying about prior to the season. I don't recall a team with this much depth. Painter has some tough choices to make in my opinion.

Term isn't rescind, it's pull. If Painter decided to RS him, he could technically pull his RS anytime during the season. Some might question the wisdom of pulling a RS well into the season, but if it could make the difference between a Final Four or not...

Anyway, I don't think Cline is going to RS. We know Weatherford and Smotherman are going to RS.

 

[thenagemj02]

It's official. Cline will play this season. Smotherman and Weatherford are the two planned redshirts on the team.

 

[lbodel]

Can you rescind a redshirt mid season? I assume you can, but I've never seen it play out that way.

If so, I would say you redshirt Cline. Right now he seems to be the 11th guy on our roster (assuming he is behind Dakota and Kendall at the 2 and 3 position on the traditional depth chart outlook). If we have some injuries mid-season, then you would pull his shirt and he could start playing.

Obviously, that's not an ideal scenario for a player; but I just don't see Cline getting much playing time if the top 10 stay relatively injury free. Painter has commented that he regrets tinkering too much during the non-conference season trying to figure out what lineups worked best. He has also commented how he regretted not redshirting Smith years ago.

Although I admit it's tempting to have a situational lineup of Thompson, Stephens, Mathias, Cline plus one big if we want to fire a bunch of three pointers or shot free throws down the stretch.

As a fan, it's nice when this is what we're worrying about prior to the season. I don't recall a team with this much depth. Painter has some tough choices to make in my opinion.

Ask Darrell Hazell and Danny Etling! Sigh.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Ask Darrell Hazell and Danny Etling! Sigh.

Last year Gundy @ OK St pulled Mason Rudolph's redshirt in Game 11 against Baylor due to injuries with the other two on the depth chart. It's worked out so far as Rudolph is now the starter on an undefeated team.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

Not trying to pick a fight, but I just find it funny when people say a kid who shot 38.4% from 3 last year and has the most 3 pointers through his first 2 years of any player at Purdue is in a slump. I do get it though, we expect a ton from him. We want his actual production to meet our expectations. A lot of times that doesn't happen. And I will say some, not referencing you, will never be happy even if he leads the nation 3 point percentage. But then again some people just like to be negative.

Ok, citing a full year's average is not enough granularity to characterize whether KS is in or out of a "slump."

KS shot 51% in November, 31% in January, and 40% in March

What does this say? Well, 51% is the Kendall Stephens we knew and hoped would lead our team the next couple years. 31% is the month in which he injured his shooting finger. 40% although a good percentage, is not par with his old self. Therefore, he is not quite out of his slump, or in other words, performing at levels that he has previously demonstrated. However, I am very optimistic.

 

[lbodel]

Last year Gundy @ OK St pulled Mason Rudolph's redshirt in Game 11 against Baylor due to injuries with the other two on the depth chart. It's worked out so far as Rudolph is now the starter on an undefeated team.

Etling's redshirt pull had nothing to do with injuries and certainly nothing to do with a winning season.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Etling's redshirt pull had nothing to do with injuries and certainly nothing to do with a winning season.

Just showing an instance where it worked as a contrast. My post didn't quite make that clear; thanks for helping with that.