Still early in BIG play, but what are ypur predictions for COY? To me it looks like 3 man race with Painter, Izzo, and Holtmann. I'm a Painter fan so I'd like to see Matt win it, but it would probably take Purdue winning at least a share of the title. Not too shabby after losing Caleb. Matt was close to winning it last year too, having the unexpected 2 game lead on everyone.
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As long as OSU doesn't fall off a cliff and finishes at least 12-6 in the B1G, I would guess Holtmann gets it and probably should. That is unless Purdue or MSU go like 17-1.
Weird scheduling quirk that Purdue, OSU and MSU all play each other only once and appear to be the 3 strongest teams.
Weird scheduling quirk that Purdue, OSU and MSU all play each other only once and appear to be the 3 strongest teams.
Painter has developed some fringe top 100 players over 4 years into superstars. He should be in the running for that. Od we win the conference outright, he should get it. Holtmann took over a roster that was in complete chaos, stabilized it, and is winning at a high level. Yes, he does have seniors Bates Diop and Tate who were high level recruits, but he has less talent than Matta had last year and is doing better. If they finish top 2 he should get it even if Purdue wins the conference outright.
I don't see Izzo in the running. He is a great coach but he has a roster full of top 50 recruits and two top 10 recruits. Anything other than an absolute rampage through the conference is not really impressive to me. I feel the same way about Duke. Yes, coach K is an excellent coach, but when you have a roster full of top 10 guys and you are performing out of the top 100 in defensive efficiency, it doesn't matter if you win 30 games - you were supposed to do that with the talent level you had.
I don't see Izzo in the running. He is a great coach but he has a roster full of top 50 recruits and two top 10 recruits. Anything other than an absolute rampage through the conference is not really impressive to me. I feel the same way about Duke. Yes, coach K is an excellent coach, but when you have a roster full of top 10 guys and you are performing out of the top 100 in defensive efficiency, it doesn't matter if you win 30 games - you were supposed to do that with the talent level you had.
Who won it last year?
I think the COY award has lost some meaning. I mean, who predicted we were going to win the league? ... and we did it by 2 games. If that doesn't earn you COY, I don't put too much stock in that award.
I can't really disagree with you. I know I'm biased but Painter should have won it last year. Pitino has underformed this year even before Lynch was suspended. Thought he had some luck go his way last year.
That's right, Pitino won it. Not a bad choice last year, but just thought Painter was equally deserving. Same for this year thus far. Same reason Pitino won it (unexpected regular season), Holtmann will likely win it if they finish Top 3. Still think Painter is doing an equally deserving coaching job.
Painter's best chance to win it will probably be next year (assuming prior trends hold and it goes to the upstart team doing much better than expected).
Holtmann is the obvious candidate for that this year. But next year we will be expected to be middle-of-the-pack B1G. Being top 3 next year will give Painter his COY.
Holtmann is the obvious candidate for that this year. But next year we will be expected to be middle-of-the-pack B1G. Being top 3 next year will give Painter his COY.
Why should a coach that goes 12-6 win COTY over a coach that wins the league? OSU has TONS of talented guys on their roster, including KBD who is the favorite atm for POTY.
The same OSU team that went 17-15 last year and 7-11 in the B1G? Most everyone predicted OSU to finish 10th or worse In conference. And KBD is talented sure, but he also averaged 9 and 5 last year. So where was all that talent then?
A lot of people expected Purdue to be in the top 3 of the conference, so being there isn't a surprise to anyone. That's not going to win CotY. Whether right or wrong that's not how the award is handed out just look at last year's winner.
A lot of people expected Purdue to be in the top 3 of the conference, so being there isn't a surprise to anyone. That's not going to win CotY. Whether right or wrong that's not how the award is handed out just look at last year's winner.
yes, they were not hurting for talent as much as their record indcated last year...they just were not playing well. OSU has talent adn probably more highly rated players than Purdue. If Purdue wins the BiG or beats OSU in position and/or head to head...Matt should be the priority
There are more factors that go into this award than just your record. What you accomplish with what you have and the adversity you overcome during the season are major factors, along with your W/L column of course
.Edit: And we were heavy favorites last year after Caleb returned. It isn't like we came out of nowhere to grab the title.
The award has become a bridesmaid award. Much like every other coach of the year award! It should go to the league champion! He. The guy who recruited the players and won with them! The national football coach of the year should go to Lou Saban! Despite everyone's best efforts to stop him, he won. Giving a person coach of the year based on a most improved criteria is a crock.
There are more factors that go into this award than just your record. What you accomplish with what you have and the adversity you overcome during the season are major factors, along with your W/L column of course
Edit: And we were heavy favorites last year after Caleb returned. It isn't like we came out of nowhere to grab the title.
I understand what goes into the award. That's why I don't value it.
Painter did about as good of a coaching job with last year's team as humanly possible. So, ultimately, my opinion of Painter doesn't change AT ALL based on this award. It doesn't mean anything. Recruiting and landing good players means something. Winning the B1G means something. Going deep in the B1G tourney means something. Going deep in the NCAA tourney means something. This award ...
Actually most picked IU, MSU, and Wisky to be ahead of Purdue last year. And Purdue beat all teams by at least 2 games. I think that is a surprise. Purdue was certainly not the "heavy favorite" as someone else mentioned above. Matt did an outstanding coaching job last year.
And this year with the loss of Biggie and the return of Bridges MSU was handed the crown early. If anyone but MSU wins it their coach should get the award.
Holtman appears to be the early favorite, but if Painter wins his second consecutive outright Big Ten title and OSU finishes third, Painter might have a chance.
People tend to forget a coach does a lot more than just win games on the court.
I'm kind of tired of the claims, he did as well as he could with the talent he was given. Anybody who replaced Hazell would have bee n an improvement. that doesn't mean they should be the COY.
On the other hand Izzo won games on the court, and also dedicated a lot more energy to bring talented players to MSU to play for him. if yo u were from California, would yo u want to come to East Lansing, Mich? he even stole JJJ away from 4 Indiana schools.
Guys like painter and Izzo also develop their players into pros. and they work hard to get them noticed.
Guys like painter worked hard to get the WUG for purdue, and to be part of the preseason tourneys we play in.
so, To me , if you win the prize, you get the prize. We had the same discussion in scouts comparing a guy who doubled the size of his troop from 5 to 10 verses the guy whose troop s at 75, and has 4 different activities every month.
In bowling was had a trophy for most improved and bowler of the year. please don't make COY a most improved award.
I'm kind of tired of the claims, he did as well as he could with the talent he was given. Anybody who replaced Hazell would have bee n an improvement. that doesn't mean they should be the COY.
On the other hand Izzo won games on the court, and also dedicated a lot more energy to bring talented players to MSU to play for him. if yo u were from California, would yo u want to come to East Lansing, Mich? he even stole JJJ away from 4 Indiana schools.
Guys like painter and Izzo also develop their players into pros. and they work hard to get them noticed.
Guys like painter worked hard to get the WUG for purdue, and to be part of the preseason tourneys we play in.
so, To me , if you win the prize, you get the prize. We had the same discussion in scouts comparing a guy who doubled the size of his troop from 5 to 10 verses the guy whose troop s at 75, and has 4 different activities every month.
In bowling was had a trophy for most improved and bowler of the year. please don't make COY a most improved award.
Are suggesting Archie can pick a winner? Oh my gosh that hand is tiny. Is it just now growing back?
I think you have to consider HOW we got to be one of the top teams this year. We have 4 guys that worked in the system for 4 years. That takes good coaching and should be considered. I think there is justification for Holtmann or Painter and I woukd be ok with either. Izzo winning with guys like Drew Nitzel (sp) was impressive and deserved recognition. Winning with Bridges and JJJ is not impressive to me. It doesn't me he is any less of a coach, but to be considered for the award, they would need to be crushing people.
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