According to S&P+ Missouri IS the 2nd best team in the SEC East, ranked 38 (a few spots ahead of Purdue, the 2nd best B1G West team according to the same metric). The next best SEC East team is South Carolina at rank 69, which other than a Steve Spurrier run, is really a bad program historically. The last couple years have looked about like that, only without a top 10 team. UF and UT aren't usually this bad but lately they have been 20-30 ish, so basically Iowa or Northwestern in recent years.
Brohm mentioned with the Tennessee Opening (along with others)
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According to S&P+ Missouri IS the 2nd best team in the SEC East, ranked 38 (a few spots ahead of Purdue, the 2nd best B1G West team according to the same metric). The next best SEC East team is South Carolina at rank 69, which other than a Steve Spurrier run, is really a bad program historically. The last couple years have looked about like that, only without a top 10 team. UF and UT aren't usually this bad but lately they have been 20-30 ish, so basically Iowa or Northwestern in recent years.
First, I don't have my head up my ass. Second, I believe what I said....he's either going to be good enough to move to a new zip code, or he's going to be mediocre. Maybe he'll prove me wrong on the latter, but so far I've yet to see evidence of the first suggestion.
What about guys like Pat Fitzgerald and Kirk Ferentz? If that is mediocre, I will take mediocre.
Ferentz was on the hot seat a couple of years back. If you're okay with 7-5 and beating IU once in awhile have at it. But if PU loses to IU this year with Crean in Cleats, Brohm should immediately be on the hot seat. To settle for less is to settle. And PU fans should be better than that.
Ferentz was "on the hot seat" for about 1 year tops because of expectations that he created BY WINNING. And then he started winning again.
Yes, I will "settle" for Ferentz-like results for the rest of my life. Not exactly 7-5 and an occasional win against IU.
141-96 (86-68) record at Iowa
14 bowl games
4x B1G coach of the year
2x National coach of the year
There is an opportunity for long-term coaches at schools like Iowa, Northwestern, and Purdue.
At this point, the AD probably needs to take a moment and look at programs like Nebraska and Tennessee that ran out successful coaches the way they did and he probably needs to be happy with grabbing 7 wins a year most of the time along with chances at getting to 9-10 by not getting blown out in games. That's not a bad recipe for success.
I don't see Brohm leaving soon nor his asst coiaches. Bottom line is that penny-pinching Morgan is no longer in charge of the athletic budget. We now have an AD - and a president - who understand that swimming and football are not equal sports, and that paying bottom dollar for coaches in revenue sports is counter-productive.
DB2, I like your posts and respect you as a poster but you're wrong on this one. If Brohm is successful, Bobinski will pay to keep him and his staff.
First, it's already snowed down here so careful what one wishes for..tic!
Secondly, while I do think it would be a snowball's chance in h*ll Brohm would leave here after one year, I must tell you all these idiot Vols down here think it would be a done deal if Tennessee would come calling...But they never look past the nose on their face. Truthfully who would ever hire a Coach who would do that, especially after the overwhelming welcome Coach Brohm has received here his first year... well except maybe Tennessee.
I lived near Knoxville and can confirm pretty much all of this. The UT fan base thinks they are Alabama. I also agree that Brohm is going to be at Purdue for *at least* a couple of seasons beyond this one.
Twin, you know that I like you but I also think that you are wrong on this one. I do believe that Brohm will be successful at Purdue. He has already achieved more than most expected this year. He had a record of success at WKy. There is no good reason why Purue cannot become a major player at the national level. It would require a commitment to get there by the AD and the BoT. I think that now exists.
Also, the grass may appear to be greener elsewhere but often is not. Look Bielema at Arkansas and Jones at UT. Remember Lane Kiffin? Resurrecting the Purdue program would make him a demi-god in Indiana. Job security and a happy family can mean more than a few extra $$. Don't you think that Crean often wonders if he should have stayed at Marquette?
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As for Crean, he's made well over $35,000,000 including over $3,000,000 last year and $4,000,000 for the next three. He's set for life, his kids are set for life. Would he prefer to still be coaching....I'm guessing, as a retired coach, that he would be. But life at IU was certainly better than at Marquette. Brohm might become a Demi-God with PU fans, but I doubt that he's ever that in Indiana the state.
I'd rather have Charles Manson coaching the Boilers than Kiffin anywhere near PU.
Might I stick my old nose in this for a moment?
I understand your concerns about Brohm and his relative longevity in WL. After so many disastrous coaching tenures since the Mollenkopf years, scattered around the promising but brief Young tenure and the initially exciting but excruciating downward trend of the Tiller years, Purdue has lost whatever national brand and cachet it had back when Phipps and Keyes were kicking up the turf at Ross Ade. Combine that with the low budget, slow motion train wreck that was the AD office under Morgan Burke, which oversaw the painful decline in both the football program and its facilities, most of us Boiler faithful have become jaded and cynical.
And I agree, judging by our past track record from the BoT down, it seems unlikely we will see the Brohm tenure enjoy any more success than so many of the other program "saviors." I get that, I do.
But after watching the team and the coaches before, during, and after the games, I have to admit that there is something different in the air this time, something hard to describe - perhaps because we have not seen anything like this for, well, decades. And I mean different than in even the Tiller and Young years. And maybe it's because Bobinski, Mitch, and the BoT all have a much greater understanding of the importance of football to Purdue's brand. And maybe, just maybe, there really is a commitment to find a top notch coach - and keep him this time.
As for Brohm, while I have nothing substantive to refute your concerns about him being successful here, I have to disagree. One of the interesting observations I have made over the years in watching so damn much football, is that the coaches in the SEC have all appeared to be like coaches in the NFL, in how they react on the sidelines, how they appear to the media, how they coach and prepare, and their whole larger-than-life image - arrogant, brash, and supremely confident. Kind of like the old days in the B10, when Fat Jack, Bo, and Woody roamed the sidelines. And yet, since Jack was at Purdue, I don't remember a single coach who had that same larger-than-life image, not even Young or Tiller.
But Brohm, I honestly believe, has it.
Underneath the hood, he is a boiling, ultra intense man who absolutely detests the idea of not only losing, but winning by anything other than steamrolling the opposition. I think this is evident in how he has clearly impacted the culture and psyche of our current football team. Say what you will about their talent level, but I look forward to watching them go out each week and slobber knock the daylights out of the opponent, even if we come up short on the scoreboard. And I love how the team seems to completely buy into what Brohm is preaching. And though we certainly should not expect to have much of a recruiting class based on so many years of mediocrity, I am enjoying how the next level of recruits - perhaps not the highest level, but above what we have been getting for awhile - seem to be falling in line like true believers, much like the followers of an old time big tent preacher who stirs their souls.
Time will ultimately tell, and we have a long way to go. But just watching our team fight from start to finish has been good enough for me this year. Next year, perhaps we see some drop off in the defense while our offense sees marginal improvement. But I am expecting to see continued fight and perhaps, by the end of next season, some significant improvements in performance. If we see that, and next year's recruiting class continues to improve, I'm thinking we might finally be witnessing the long term restoration of the Purdue brand, and our return to competitive prominence.
And this time, I think our formerly clueless BoT, under the urging of Mitch and Bobinski, will keep their wallets open to where we can retain someone like Brohm so we might finally join the ranks of the elite.
And while I may be old and jaded, maybe even I can get a little excited over the prospect. Care to join?
JMHOAU
I am with you TD2. Coach Brohm is certainly better than DH2, but so is my dog. Brohm is about equivalent to DH1. THe offense looked good for a few games in his first year too. Remember we played at Oregon even, but lost on a 2 point try. Then as defenses saw the gimmicks, the offense slowed dramatically Purdue won 4 games that year. that is where we will finish this year
Holt is a defensive coordinator, UT needs an offenisve mind to compete in the SEC. Brohm is going no where. It is a TON of work to do what he has done in less than a year. It takes a toll on a coach to come in, organize things, hire assistant coaches, evaluate what you have, determine what you need (within and without-recruiting needs/targets), build a system, learn your facilities, and hold your family life together. It is HILARIOUS to think that someone with the qualitie of CJB would just 'get up and leave' and make his family re-adjust to a new life in a new city with new schools. Let alone make your body and mind go through all of that all over again in less than a year. If I was an AD, I would also be smart enough to realize if CJB did come to UT I would NOT be getting the same level of energy that Purdue got...AND his best assistant coaches would not put their families through that. JMHO
Nice post....I enjoyed reading it. My point is Brohm has to do something very extraordinary to have the BOT's, Mitch, and the AD want to pay the money to keep him. The B10 is a whole lot tougher than whatever conference he last coached in at WKU. And in a sllight disagreement, I haven't seen much that would indicate that level. And the recruiting isn't that much better than what's on the field now.
Hope you're right. I can list a bunch of reasons why a person in his position might make either choice. What you say makes sense.
Whether or not you're right on Brohm remains to be seen. I don't think you are but whatever.
That said, you're insane if you think he should be on the "hot seat" after one season where he won 5 games (in your scenario of him losing to IU which he might well do) after taking over the program as it was.
forget about Manson, passed away, fortunately, last night.
Are we sure the BIG West is the easiest? Wisconsin beat Michigan, Iowa beat Ohio State, Northwestern beat Michigan State. It might not be as easy as it seems.
Whoever wants to steal Brohm from us now MUST break Purdue's existing contract with him: 5 years at $3 million / year.....$15 million. Brohm aint going anywhere soon.
Just listened to Brohm on WNDE and he made it clear he enjoys the challenge at Purdue and has no plans to go anywhere else. Conjecture to the contrary is pure speculation. Let's enjoy this revitalization - Boiler Up!!!
wow . . . Robben Ford . . .!
I was just listening to some of his older music this past weekend.
don`t
What don`t you understand,Wisconsin beat Mich. Iowa beat the Bucs. and Northwestern beat Mich. State.The west is just as tough
