Brohm and Hope
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We aren’t. Others think hazell left the place okay.
I liked Hope. He could've done more with support from the AD. But if anyone's actually watched the games, they should see Brohm has been a lot more competitive in the BIG compared to Hope. Brohm squads are almost always in the game, while Hope's teams regularly got blown out when playing better teams.
I liked Danny Hope too. I loved Joe Tiller, those teams were so fun to watch. I would have loved to see Purdue invest in the program for him like they have for Brohm. It seemed assistants were constantly leaving back then for better paying jobs. I thought the staff Coach Tiller brought with him from Wyoming was awesome.
Just some food for thought on coaching records. Mark Stoops was 26-36 after his first 5 seasons at Kentucky (a “basketball school” in the SEC). He has since had 10-3, 8-5, 5-6 seasons and tonight they beat LSU to become bowl eligible at 6-0 and #16 in the country. My point here is that there is reason to believe that UK sticking it out with Stoops has yielded some decent results and perhaps the “give Brohm more time” folks have a decent argument. We simply don’t know at this point. I just think it’s an interesting case study.
Many here have interpreted my original post as an attack on Brohm but that really wasn't my point. I just stumbled upon the fact that after 49 games Brohm and Hope have the exact same record. Other posters came in and immediately felt the need to defend Brohm. Which is great but some of the one liners being thrown out could be discredited with a review of the roster, stats and the results. It makes for an interesting conversation.
For the record, I was done with Danny Hope at the time of his firing. Probably spoiled by the Tiller years, the disappointment that came with the high hopes in 2012 and Hope's us against the world (even the fans) attitude. I also think firing Brohm would be really risky and I'm not even close to thinking that would be a good idea.
Thank you Mrs.Brohm for that update but I don`t care about Kentuck football and that comparison with Purdue and coach Brohm record at Purdue.We are losing games to teams that we should be beating after he has coached for 5 years for the money Purdue pay`s.
Oh no I don’t get upset about others thinking something other than what I think.. I think that’s weird lol.
I was just giving my take.. do you agree that, as usual the truth is somewhere in between? Hazell didn’t leave brohm with zero good players and didn’t leave him with the talent Coletto left for tiller. He left him in a bad position but it wasn’t apparent until 2018.. in 2017 he did leave tiller some good players.
the lesson hope taught me is be careful what you wish for. There’s whether a coach should be fired in a vacuum.. and then there’s the questing
“what has your school done that makes them marketable as far as hiring someone better than the guy you have now?”
tiller was done when he left anyway, but when both he and hope left, we really weren’t in a position to answer the question “who you gonna get?” I still don’t think we are relative to Brohm being a C+ coach.. I don’t think Purdue can get better than a C+ coach consistently … if Brohm turns into a D coach. Okay.. we can do better than that
Shawn Clark now Coach at Appalachian State. O/L coach at Purdue when Hope was coach
Not saying he didn’t have better players but the fact that his winning percentage was better with Hazels players.
Lol, this board slaughtered Hope for hiring him and said he wasnt worthy of a P5 job. Now you want to bring him back?
This program is trending to eclipse where it was in 2017.
The major difference now is the sustainability of the roster and recruiting, with less reliance on transfers. This year isn't about band-aids and duct tape. It's mostly home grown talent. The investment in those last few recruiting classes is now starting to pay off. Would have seen these returns last year if not for the Diacofense costing at least 2 games.
Oh, and Brohm is now the most winning Purdue coach since Tiller.
The major difference now is the sustainability of the roster and recruiting, with less reliance on transfers. This year isn't about band-aids and duct tape. It's mostly home grown talent. The investment in those last few recruiting classes is now starting to pay off. Would have seen these returns last year if not for the Diacofense costing at least 2 games.
Oh, and Brohm is now the most winning Purdue coach since Tiller.
The difference to me is this defense. It looks to be built to be stout and is well-conceived. The style of this defense will tend to attract more athletes like Grant and Graham and Strickland and George because they are free to attack and make plays instead of being bound to lanes like in the Diaco 3-4. Diaco’s defense went more side-to-side in the lanes and the first step was often backwards.
Considering where this program was 5 years ago, it's nearly miraculous.
Hope will always be a Boiler and his players loved the heck outta the guy. It was def time to move on since the prior AD weren't going to invest in him
Joe Tiller is a Purdue legend, and rightfully so.
He also inherited an incredibly mature, deep and talented team, with many future NFL players.
None of that makes Tiller a better or worse coach. He was in the right place at the right time, and it's intellectually lazy to compare the two.
People do that.. they act like, just because someone got a few advantages, that means you can drop anyone in there and it’s 9 wins. and the fact is, you could give a lot of guys that roster and not have them win 9.
Had ole Jimmy Redface been allowed a 7th year, he wouldn’t have won 6 with that roster.
Nice post. You understand the player cycle, and the damage done by Hazel to the program. Lack of good underclassmen to replace those good seniors was a killer for a couple years and accounts for Brohm struggling after a fast start.
.At this point, I do think we can turn a corner if we continue to get top 40 recruiting classes and keep a staff in place that can develop these kids. Lots of impatience around here this summer on the current Jrs. Even though they had a Fr. season to get introduced, a Diaco/CoVID season keeping them from developing.
Lots of these guys like Alexander, Deen, Grant, Allen, etc are really only now getting to play sustained D1 football and it’s really showing.
To compare this regime to Hope’s is ignorant IMO. So much more going on in conference, in cfb as a whole and with this team that says we MAY be pointed in a much better direction.
Lots of these guys like Alexander, Deen, Grant, Allen, etc are really only now getting to play sustained D1 football and it’s really showing.
To compare this regime to Hope’s is ignorant IMO. So much more going on in conference, in cfb as a whole and with this team that says we MAY be pointed in a much better direction.
So in the future, we will be referring to 2020 as the DIACOVID year?
I look at it like Purdue football was infected by two different plagues in 2020. 😳
At least there’s a vaccine for Covid.
I bet Brohm had Diaco’s office fumigated after he canned him. 🤣
I’d be willing to take a shot to ensure Diaco never comes back to Purdue to work for us
Thought we'd beat this to death...
The AD doesn't set the budget. It's no mystery that things miraculously changed with a new President in 2012 (and changes within the BoT), resulting in a much different financial emphasis in the years that followed.
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