Re: Good for them
Well you say you are on the other side of the debate, here is where I stand or where my thoughts are at on all the police officer shootings. This was copied and pasted from under pastorjoe's thread Continuing the discussion on race:
Utah and SC are the worst shootings.
SC-The
cop should have told him to freeze and do not move when he turned back
to get his wallet. Shots 1@2 were bad, shots 3@4 were hideous. The guy
had his hands up and was backing away. There was no confrontation
between victim and police. Victim unarmed. Should be felony
charge(s). Conviction likely.
I am also for firing superiors who put a person with PTSD from a shooting incident back on aptrol.
Utah-It
appears the cop shot the guy in the back. There was no confrontation
between the victim and the police. Every witness says it was real
obvious he did not hear due to his headphones on. Victim unarmed.
Should be felony charge(s). I wWould think conviction likely.
All I really saw was the video, nothing else.
Ferguson-Witnesses
lying, witness manipulated, witnesses coerced and/or bullied. Forensic
evidence tends to support some of Wilson's story about brown reaching
into the car. Most reliable witneses that are backed by forensics seem
to support Wilson more than Brown. Should be a unlawful discharge of
firearm and excessive force charge for trial. Not sure what conviction
probability would be.
Garner in NY
At a bit
of a loss for this one because what the medical examiner said, IMO, does
not fit the video. I think the prosecutor and medical examiner screwed
up focusing on the "choke" hold and initial part of the take down.. It
is real clear that when Garner says he cannot breath he has 4-5 cops on
him, and he is on the ground. Not when he is being "choked." Also,
there was no damage to his windpipe throat so that throws the "choking"
part under the bus IMO.
What should have been pressed here IMO more is the following:
-There
had been a DoJ release years ago, and they instructed us in this in the
military as well, that heavier people cannot breathe when on their
stomach and force is applied. This is really common knowledge among
combat arms guys and police IMO. Garner had 4-5 cops on him, even after
they had positive control of him.
-After he appeared to be
out(although medics claim he was breathing and had a pulse), cops then
stood around for 4-5 minutes and did nothing for him, and he was still
on his side/stomach, making breathing harder.
-The medics, every
time I have seen a paramedic they typically drive up to the scene of the
accident/crime/shooting etc. The medics walked in from a distance away
when the video clearly shows they could have pulled right up to him,
therefore saving time.
Between all of that, I am a bit surprised
there is not a criminally negligent homicide charge on the group of cops
and the EMT. However, not related to the choke(whcih is where I think
they screwed up) but the other actions which I mentioned.
CLE Case
I
do think the cops played a part in this by rolling up on the
kid/situation real fast. Only time thy should do that is when there is
an active shooter.
That said, cops claim they told the kid to put
his hands up multiple times. This is not disputed by anyone to my
knowledge. The video is real clear that the kid is raising his shirt,
and another hand is on his "gun" and he is walking toward the police.
I
would have a hard time convicting the officer of a bad shooting. I do
think there is likely a charge or discipline for not following protocol
on how htey approached the situation.
I am for firing the
superiors that put the cop on patrol who had either been forced/flunked
out/broke down crying on a shooting range. Some people just do not have
it, an the superiors should know this.
I will take your word for
it, but I thought it was you that mentioned the cops did nothing for
the kid until EMT/FBI arrived. Obviously I would think that would be a
fire able offense and negligence of some sort. Conviction likely for
that.
This post was edited on 12/8 9:40 AM by Purdue9712/8 9:31 AM | IP: Logged
So you can decide for yourself how far apart we are.
I do not have an issue with people speaking up at all. However, when chants at the protest are along the lines of, " Who do want? Darren Wilson. How do we want him? Dead. Protests also involve attacking cops and looting-I really question if these people know what they are doing, what they are protesting, or if they are just trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame? Not sure how that protests anything or gets an officer his day in court. That gets the country, not just me, looking at these people like they are idiots.
As far as choosing race plays a part in these things I agree. That is why there were firestorms set off in Ferguson and New York, Cleveland and SC were all over the news, and Utah was all but ignored. Like I said, if people really cared about the abuse of police force, it would be protested in a different manner and also done regardless of color/ethnic background of the person who was shot/mistreated/etc.
