Biggie Who? Josh Jackson Crystal Ball Now Trending To MSU
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Sorry. I am not much interested in comic book characters now that I'm a grown up. Suit your slef though. I won't judge. I think you will find there are so many real heros around us, we don't need to make stuff up.
Hummmm... Make Stuff Up = MSU for short.
I recommend not attempting a battle of wits here, you are badly out gunned.
As an MSU fan I expect Purdue to have an excellent team this year. Very tough team last year, and with Swannigan certainly has the possibility to move up further, no doubt about it.
Regards MSU, remember we lose one guy off our roster( in total) who played in our game last year, Trice. Dawson got hurt in the first minute of the game and never returned.
So, while I respect the talent the Boilers bring to the table, MSU adds to the above mix Eron Harris, a burger boy big themselves in Deyonta Davis, Matt Mc Quaid ( who has been mighty impressive early on, and can play the point, and did overseas) Javon Bess, the best frosh from last year who sat out with a foot and is now back to full speed, to add to the nucleus from last year.
Honestly think MSU has a legit top 3 in the nation backcourt with Valentine, Harris, Forbes, Tum and Mc Quaid( the first three of whom are 40%+ 3 point shooters with large sample sizes)
Front court wise, we return both Schilling and Costello( who had 13 and 7 with 4 blocks in that tilt last year) along with Deyonta and Marvin Clark.
I give Purdue an edge up front, but not by much( never been a big fan frankly of Hammons) and MSU a large advantage in the backcourt. Guard play is ultra key in the tourney, I like how MSU is equipped there.
Regards MSU, remember we lose one guy off our roster( in total) who played in our game last year, Trice. Dawson got hurt in the first minute of the game and never returned.
So, while I respect the talent the Boilers bring to the table, MSU adds to the above mix Eron Harris, a burger boy big themselves in Deyonta Davis, Matt Mc Quaid ( who has been mighty impressive early on, and can play the point, and did overseas) Javon Bess, the best frosh from last year who sat out with a foot and is now back to full speed, to add to the nucleus from last year.
Honestly think MSU has a legit top 3 in the nation backcourt with Valentine, Harris, Forbes, Tum and Mc Quaid( the first three of whom are 40%+ 3 point shooters with large sample sizes)
Front court wise, we return both Schilling and Costello( who had 13 and 7 with 4 blocks in that tilt last year) along with Deyonta and Marvin Clark.
I give Purdue an edge up front, but not by much( never been a big fan frankly of Hammons) and MSU a large advantage in the backcourt. Guard play is ultra key in the tourney, I like how MSU is equipped there.
Posters like you are always welcome here. It's the other idiot in the thread that gives you guys a bad name haha.
Cool dude. Let's be realistic, no way Forbes Denzel and Nairn are top 3 backcourt in nation. I honestly don't even think they are top 3 big ten
1.Maryland
2.Michigan
3. Ohio State
4. Could maybe even be Northwestern with Demps and Macitosh
Your forgetting Eron Harris. Remember he averaged over 17 a game at West Virginia and practiced every day last year with MSU. Valentine called him the toughest guy he guarded all last year. Harris, Valentine and Forbes between them will average over 40 a game. No one in the conference will be better. Throw in Tum as now a soph and Mc Quaid to boot.
He also shot 42+ from three, and well over 80% from the line, and won't be a primary ball handler at MSU. Not to mention that was 2 years ago, it's not unlikely he has improved ... Lol.... Especially being coached every day by Izzo all last year.
He as a 4th year player, with Seniors Valentine and Forbes will comprise the best backcourt in the conference, and Forbes, Valentine and Tum have gotten to a Final four. Something nobody else in the conference can say. That experience is a definate plus.
Can't believe somebody said Ohio state..... Really?
Maryland will be good( if Trimble doesn't wet the bed at crunch time like he had a habit of doing) and IU is good, but defensively have a ton to prove, as does Michigan' backcourt.
You remember this situation the way you would have liked it to be. You are incorrect. MSU posters accused Painter of dirty recruiting. That's when I started t lose respect for your program. I would say most Purdue fans admired the MSU program up until that point. Don't be pulling that revisionist history crap here.
Painter just isn't that good of a good coach. Thus far in his career, he's been run of the mill at best. He's had the baby boilers class and that's largely been it. That was his mountain top. Izzo OTOH is a great coach, HOF for sure, and is widely regarded as one of the most upstanding and ethical coaches in all of college basketball. I know it pains Purdue fans greatly to hear that as it runs counter to their much desired narrative but it's the reality of the situation.
Good luck with Biggie though. He's a good kid who I hopes succeeds. His adoptive father is a shady character but Biggie deserves a ton of credit for being where he's at right now. I hope the NCAA wises up and clears him to play. I will find much greater enjoyment in beating Purdue with him on the active roster than without.
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Care to explain how Oden's class to OSU would be better than a MSU class with Josh Jackson, Miles Bridges, Josh Langford, Cassius Winston and Nick Ward?
Heller and Mathboy do you guys no favors either from a reputation standpoint. Year after year, they just keep repeating the same tired crap.
Sorry. I am not much interested in comic book characters now that I'm a grown up. Suit your slef though. I won't judge. I think you will find there are so many real heros around us, we don't need to make stuff up.
Hummmm... Make Stuff Up = MSU for short.
I recommend not attempting a battle of wits here, you are badly out gunned.
Why would you say Barnes is a "shady character"? Do you have some sort of knowledge that this man is doing something wrong? You know he signed the MSU LOI for Biggie before Biggie refused to send it, right? So why would say he was shady? Was there something going on with MSU and him that was shady? That is all I can assume from your comment.
If you think Painter is below average then your opinion isn't worth considering. Thanks for saving me the time by putting that in your first couple sentences. You probably think Izzo is ethical and Appling/Payne are good guys too.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to this guy. He seems to have that odd set of insecurities many MSU posters exhibit, in that his ego and personal self-worth is tightly tied to how strangers from another school perceive Izzo,
It's weird, but they must petrol the boards looking for anyone besmirching Izzo's reputation. Of course, they show little reciprocal curtesy regarding our coach. They fly immediately into insult mode rather than showing the mutual respect that they seem to crave from others.
Izzo is a HOF coach for sure, not just the best coach in the BIG but one of the best in the country.
But he is also much older than Painter
Izzo got to his first final four at age 44...before that, his best was a Sweet 16 just like Painter
Painter is 45 right now. He has built a team that has a shot to make the final four....not just this year's team, but next season and the season after next as well (Edwards, Swanigan, Haas, Mathias, PJ, Taylor, Cline, Smotherman will have college eligibility through 2018). The current roster is not that dominatingly good that a F4 s guaranteed, but good enough to get there if Lady Luck decides not to be a vindictive tyrant this time
Painter's 2009 and 2010 seasons were the ones that got away because of the aforementioned spitefulness of Lady Luck. A 39 year old Matt Painter had the #3 team in the country late in the season and was the only team in the country to go 4-0 against top ten teams....before Preseason BIG player of the year Robbie Hummel tore his ACL twice and sat out two consecutive Marches, leaving an already skimpy frontline utterly gaping
MSU fans of all people should understand what a dry spell is and act with a little more class and empathy. Until your Rose Bowl last year, MSU had the second longest active dry spell (after Loosiers) when it comes to the Rose Bowl.....I don't think you saw gloating Purdue fans crawl onto your forum during the Drew Brees heyday when we made the Rose Bowl and owned MSU (I even thought our victories over MSU were the most undeserved ones of the Tiller era, with freak plays such as the 1997 game tilting the results our way)
I understand, MSU fans have a chip on your shoulders because of where you stand in the state of Michigan.
But Purdue isn't your enemy. Purdue basketball isn't currently successful enough to earn your enmity (yet....give Painter 3 more years) nor is it pathetic enough to warrant your ridicule (we are still 9 BIG titles ahead of you)
Peace
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Not to mention it's generally acknowledged this is one of the deepest classes in recent memory. Not all years are equal.
Interstingly enough, if you discount 2 of the worst years Purdue has ever gone through in basketball, Pinter vs Izzo is dead even at 6 wins each. MSU has had the upper hand recently, but these things go through cycles. Even if you count the 2 bad years the record is 6-9, which is not bad against a HOF coach.
I will never forget the first time Izzo tried to beat Painter. It was a slaughter. The score was 62-38, and that was after Painter emptied his bench half way through the second half. These MSU trolls who discount Painter while throwing Izzo up on some pedistal deserve the emnity they get.
Izzo indeed got to his first Final Four at 44. But he got to a sweet 16 at 43. He also won a title at 45, and got to another Final Four at 46.
Just those four years there eclipse the entirely of what the Purdue program has done in 30+ years or more. Get back to me if Painter makes the Final Four these next three years straight.
Below average was probably hyperbole on my part. He's been a slightly above average coach in the regular season more times than not. Granted he's struggled mightily in three out of the last four years and his post season record throughout his career leaves much to be desired. He has a lot to prove still. I'll leave it at that. This year, with this team, he needs to show something.
Regarding Izzo, there's no need to think about it. We know that he's ethical. And Appling and Payne, we can agree to disagree on their growth as men. Both matured greatly during their time at MSU and became more than model citizens since those accusations early on in their college careers.
When is the last time Purdue has beat MSU? It's been so long I honestly don't remember. And many were out and out beat downs.
You seem to suffer from a lot of hyperbole. If you would mind accepting a suggestion, I would ask that you refrain from insulting our coach if you want respect for yours. I do have a lot of respect for Izzo.
I do think Izzo is ethical, but I will give as good as I get in these exchanges. There is enough smoke around MSU that I can find a dozen ways to shout "FIre!" on these stupid boards. Furthermore, I also agree that Appling and Payne seem to have matured. Whether the rape accusations were false or not, they kept their noses clean and became "good guys" in the eyes of the media. Most of that change is due to the influence of those mentors in the basketball program at MSU.
When I look at the 10 year records, for most of the real beat downs, MSU was on the wrong end of the score. I know we still own the overall record against you guys, so that's not in question.
Let's see, how about the 72-54 beat down in 2009, or the 67-47 beat down in 2011? Those were two of my very special favorites. You guys have had the upper hand recently, but this year we will beat you like a drum.
When I look at the 10 year records, for most of the real beat downs, MSU was on the wrong end of the score. I know we still own the overall record against you guys, so that's not in question.
Let's see, how about the 72-54 beat down in 2009, or the 67-47 beat down in 2011? Those were two of my very special favorites. You guys have had the upper hand recently, but this year we will beat you like a drum.
We beat you last year( in a very important game for both teams) and return all but one player from the team that beat you that night. And frankly add way more talent to that roster than you do yours.
IF all your parts gel, it's probably a pick em game at Mackey.
None of your guys will come close to doing what Oden and Conley did as freshmen.
I certainly wouldn't bet on that. Jackson, Bridges and Langford are ultra dynamic players who are all likely one and dones.
And they will join many other pieces on the roster who will be waiting on them to join.
Ohio st got blown out by almost 30 early in the season to Florida. And they didn't win the title
I know you can't be serious? You need to understand the theory of basketball. Josh Jackson (if MSU lands him) is a transcendent type of player. He makes the game look extremely easy. The type of player who is hard to find. He is very rare with the skill set he has at his height and can shake and bake and still knock down the 3 ball. Very impressive player. Hard to teach the skill set he has. You're born with it and not many understand that. He's going to be an All Star at the NBA level many times over and is a sure fire OAD. Jerry Meyer called him the best shooting guard prospect he's ever scouted.
Miles Bridges is also a likely one and done talent who is a jack of all trades who is also a rare breed. Why do you think John Calipari followed him across the country for 2 straight years and was Kentucky's number 1 small forward target for 2016? He is the type of small forward prospect teams salivate over because of the fact he has everything you look for in a small forward prospect. Perfect height 6'6"-6'7" who can shoot the 3 ball, handle the ball, great defensively, very physical, great rebounder, great leaping ability and a shot blocker. What makes Bridges even more special is the fact he is ambidextrous. He power dunks and finishes with the right hand most of the time, but can use the left to finish equally as well. He shoots his 3 point shot left handed.
Josh Langford is also a possible OAD type of player who shoots the deep 3, has a terrific midrange game, is a very good defensive player, good passer and has good handles. Langford is a combo guard who can run the point in a pinch if he has to. Langford is also a very physical player who draws a lot of contact and gets to the charity stripe very often
All 3 of these players have the potential to dominate. I believe two of them (Jackson and Bridges are game changers) and will be NBA All Stars sooner rather than later in their careers. Can they have as great an impact as Oden and Conley as freshmen? Absolutely they can.
Along with Conley and Oden you can't forget OSU had David Lightly a 2nd team all big ten player, Daquan Cook who got drafted after his freshman season, and Othello Hunter who played in the NBA as well. To call your class better than that before they have even played their senior seasons is completely absurd. I'll believe it when I see it.
The kid is a SG. His A:TO ratio is about #10 on the list of what he needs to do well for MSU in order for him and the team to succeed.
In order to compare classes from different years, all you can do is compare stars, accomplishments and rankings at the same age...and coming out of HS, if MSU were to be fortunate enough to get Jackson, their class would be more highly rated than OSU's.
Glad to hear that you don't think you need your starting SG to be a good passer or take care of the basketball.
Well, since you write like a 5-year-old, it isn't surprising that you don't remember anything that happened more than 3 years ago. LOL!
Oh no. Snu, Crean, PurdueFinallyBlaBlah has another screen name.
Such a loser.
I am 60. I could give a flying shit how you view my writing skills.
That said, it's been more than 3 years since the boilers won. I don't think Dawson ever lost to Purdue, so that is 4 seasons right there.
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He had 68 turnovers for the whole season playing over 30 minutes a game while scoring over 17 a game. I will take a little over 2 turnovers a game for that much production.
And it was two years ago, he likely is better. He will end up first or second team all conference.
You're 60? What the hell are you doing trolling other sites then? Aren't you a little old for that?
I enjoy going around and slapping down basement dwellers who seem to not have facts straight. It puts fresh wind in my sails.... Lol
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