This quote should be said to the Purdue men's basketball team. Same results everytime they play a big game.
Are you willing to settle for being average?
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You know this has spanned several years and a large number of players, right? I don't think it's the players that need to hear it.
It is what it is. When we have scoring, we have no defense. When we have defense, we have no scoring. When we have great guards our front court stinks. When we have great bigs, our guards stink. We will win against who we should beat. We will upset one team. We will be upset by one team. The trend will play out all season (like last year never beating the press) and it will ultimately lead to our end.
Yeah, it's pretty predictable. We have 12 years of data from CMP. He is who he is and it really shouldn't surprise anyone that we can't/don't win these games nor do we win in March.
This thread hits too close to home. It is so painful being a purdue sports fan...
Always getting hopes up, just to have them crushed.
I used to have the colts to fall back on, but lately they have been a let down too.
Always getting hopes up, just to have them crushed.
I used to have the colts to fall back on, but lately they have been a let down too.
The message from above has long been clear on this matter at Purdue
I was trying to look it up, but I thought I had heard or read that Purdue has not won a road game against a top 15 team in more than 20 years...that is crazy if true, but if so, it is all the more reason why Purdue has not played in a Final Four since 1980.
**Edit: I heard on ESPN that the last time Purdue won a road game against a top 15 team was 1983...1983...wow!
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To be fair, settle for slightly above average. 21-8 is a good year on paper. The kick in the nuts is, and this has seemed true recently, but you will see us do things early in the season that cause us to lose games in December that will be the same way we lose games in March. We don't really improve as season goes on. That is what kills you.
Also I think we are lacking a bad @ss player. Since Chris Kramer we have not had that X factor that is such a trademark of good or memorable Purdue teams, or Purdue teams playing after St. Patrick's Day. Brian Cardinal, Kramer, etc. Descent scorer. Outstanding effort. A guy who wouldn't take crap from opponents and wouldn't let the finesse guys pout.
I find it as shocking we have not played in a Sweet 16 since 2010.
Maybe as Purdue fans we should expect average results? A deep run in the tournament would be nice but is unlikely.
You don't see that from Biggie this year? Biggie is that guy. But he can't do it by himself.
Starts and ends with the coach! Let's go get coach Mack from Xavier.
And here come the chicken littles. The amount of hyperbole in this thread simply just make your head hurt.
The great thing is since we will win more than we will lose this season, we won't hear from you much.
The great thing is since we will win more than we will lose this season, we won't hear from you much.
Painter isn't leaving until he wants to leave. He's putting decent teams on the floor and tickets are selling. At Purdue, that gets you the "he's earned the right to go out on his own terms" treatment.
As it does at pretty much most of the other schools not considered bluebloods.
Yes, the critics will be silent as we beat mighty Rutgers and Northwestern but predictably lose every road game to a team with a pulse. We will win enough to be a 4 or 5 seed and lose in round 1 or 2. Looks a lot like the very best teams under Painter outside of the Baby Boilers when we actually had multiple top 50 guys, and even those teams couldn't surpass 2 sweet 16's and a shared B1G title.
More hyperbole and over exaggeration from you. Who didn't see that coming? I stand by what I said about you in another thread, now more than ever.
You nailed it...he is there as long as he wants to be there, and things will remain the same as long as he is there.
Things could no doubt be worse...but they could no doubt be better as well...Purdue is happy to stay the course and be decent...although, their ticket pricing and policies will have an impact soon on that second matter...like football, however, it is irrelevant due to the money they get from the BTN.
Based on past experience it is more than likely that things will get worse if you force out a coach like Painter who is clearly above average. Not great sure, but he is showing progress in the way the team plays and the recruits he is getting.
I'm just sorry that the timetable that some on here want isn't being met to their expectations. They would be much better off if they had an ounce of reality to their outlook on things.
Fair... See you every big road game and the first Thursday/Friday of the NCAA. Because if 12 years shows anything, we do not improve as the year goes on or fix what needs fixing.
It is exactly this mentality that Purdue appreciates so much...how/where is he "clearly above average"? It certainly is not from the standpoint of winning games that count/matter...and it could not be further from that with respect to recruiting.
He has been there 12 years...it is not as if this is an up and comer...what progress is he showing in the way that his team plays? They underachieve on a regular and consistent basis...name the last time that Purdue overachieved.
Timetable?!? What a joke...if the guy had not had the circumstances of a lifetime that allowed him to put together a single stellar class that carried him for five years during those 12 years, he would not even be deemed average, much less above average...and no way "clearly above average" as you try to suggest.
The same problems that have plagued him since that group moved on (including the problem of one of them moving on before their time was done at Purdue) are the same problems that plague him now...and will always plague him.
Your points and argument have been refuted time and time again on here. All of what you said is based on your perception not reality. He is clearly above average based on the bigger picture and not your narrow minded view of things.
Only will hear from them after games that matter...and, based on history during his 12-year tenure, after an inexcusable loss along the way as well...and no doubt after yet another early exit from the NCAA tournament.
All games matter junior, not just the losses where you chicken littles think the sky is falling.
But you post proves everything that I have been saying about all of you, so thank you.
Again, clearly above average in what regard?
It is not recruiting.
It is not NCAA tournament success.
It is not B1G tournament success.
It is not B1G success.
It is not success against ranked teams, especially on the road.
So what exactly is it that he is clearly above average at?
It has nothing at all to do with the notion that the sky is falling...but everything to do on the other hand with the notion that the sky is generally blue...Purdue is what it is because Matt Painter is who he is and is what he is.
My beef with Matt Painter is you took a team that won Big Ten Titles, put 3 guys in the NBA, and got tremendous notoriety, and followed it up with 6th, 7th, 12th. If Hummel finishes eligibility on time it might have slipped sooner. Not capitalizing on that will be the head scratcher for me. He will be coach for life here and that is OK, but I would like to see a Final 4 again in my life. I don't see that as a possibility.
Wow, you really don't get it. All of these points have been refuted, many times. His entire record shows he is above average.
Look, I get it, you hate Painter and blame him for everything including your male pattern baldness, but you need a wake up call and a reality check.
It has everything to do with the sky is falling and failing to see the bigger picture.
I listened to Painter at halftime last night, what he said was exactly what was going on , I am sure Painter is aware of whatever problems the team and individual players have and is working on them, its not gonna happen overnight. Yeah they got beat by 2 top 20 teams, by 3 and 7, so lets watch the team slowly get better this year and have a good year.
Great post. I used to come and argue on here after a game, but it's not worth it. People are going to see things however they choose and no amount of back and forth will change it.
Too bad really, it really hinders any real discussions on here.
There is no "bigger picture"...it is the same picture, all of the time.
Look, I don't even care that they lost last night...never mind I am not mad or disappointed...I completely expected it, and completely expected what happened and how it happened...as it has happened so often, and in the same fashion.
Again, it has nothing at all do with the notion or suggestion that the sky is falling...it simply is what it is, and a continuation of what has been.
There most certainly is a bigger picture to Purdue under Matt because he has done good things here and had setbacks.
And it is a sky is falling notion, plain and simple.
Here is the bigger problem...it does not have to happen over night, but, it just has not/does not happen...it has been the same problems for the course of his time at Purdue in most cases.
Never mind you could have heard any commentator, or just about any average basketball fan for that matter say the same thing at halftime...heck, they could have been heard before the game for that matter in most cases...his being aware of the problems is no different than the awareness of anyone else...the exact same problems were a problem two weeks ago against Villanova...and they were the exact same problems a year ago...and two years ago...and three years ago...and four years ago (although way more prevalent then because they did not have the talent that they have presently to offset or overcome some of them)...and until Painter makes changes and/or gets more talented players, they will be the exact same problems next year and the year after and for the duration of his time at Purdue.
I agree, but he does not fix it. Remember last year... we couldn't figure out the trap? And Iowa and others ran it and we lost games, blowing leads in the process? Then Central Arkansas Tech State did it in the NCAA and gave us the SAME results and we didn't fix anything in 3-4 months?
Facts matter.
Painter is 113 and 81 (which includes 3-13 his first year) in the Big Ten over the course of his career and Pudue has finished in the lower half of the Big Ten twice (and 7th once). Many consider the Big Ten the toughest conference in college basketball over the course of his career.
Thats not elite but its not average.
Painter is 113 and 81 (which includes 3-13 his first year) in the Big Ten over the course of his career and Pudue has finished in the lower half of the Big Ten twice (and 7th once). Many consider the Big Ten the toughest conference in college basketball over the course of his career.
Thats not elite but its not average.
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