My hats off. You deserved it and won it like bosses. We have the best CB in college FB (leads nation in pass break ups and INT) and still our inept entitled coaching staff didn't have the brains to put him on our WR until too late. I bet you wish you could play against such an inept staff every week in the big 10. We helped you especially not blocking the edge. You did what you were supposed to do and are WAY better coached. That was obvious. Only Ferentz is stupid enough to go for 2 before making it a 1 score game. Don't you wish you played that moron every year?
All respect for Purdue
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relax, we did lose to Rutgers and I'll take Josey on my team anyday. Thanks for coming over.
That was a head-scratcher. Why go for two there? You don't make it and the game is essentially over. Take the 1, try the onside kick and maybe you get a chance at a two point conversion at the end to win it with the crowd going crazy, momentum on your side, players pumped up, etc. All the air left the stadium when the 2 point conversion failed.
Thanks. Will say the wave at the first quarter is the classiest move in sports
I tear up every time.
They have to get at least one 2-pt conversion. If Iowa gets 2 when they attempted it, recovers an onside kick, and scores again, they give themselves the option to kick the extra point to go to OT or go for 2 and win it right there.
At least that’s what I figured their strategy was.
not only that , they call a fade pass, which I believe is a low % pass.
Easy for you to say when you have a coach calling the right plays. You cannot deny that was asinine. Josey was going to a D3 school in Decorah IA called Luther. An assistant recommended that we give our last ride on signing day to him and against his better judgement, KF agreed. Jewel was supposed to be a special teamer by his 4th year at best. So there is individual development. But good individual players can only go so far by bad coaching.
Didn't change the fact they needed to recover an onside kick no matter what the score after the late TD. Getting 2 there allows for the possibility of going for the win if they scored another TD. Such a low probability for a win either way it doesn't really matter.
surprised alot of fans haven't seen the wave, saw it earlier in their psu, guess maybe watching boring baseball.
I work with sick kids from time to time. Strongest, most resilient, people I've ever met.
Not the air but most of your fans. Most of the Hawkeye fans on here have been a class act.
We do play that moron every year.
I didn’t have a problem with the early two point conversion. It’s unorthodox, but for no real reason.
You need 15 points. Why does the order in which you get them matter?
you always want to extend the game.
Never go for 2 until you have to. Especially if failing ends the game prematurely.
Yes, I understand that's the conventional wisdom. I just don't think there's any logic to confirm one way is better than the other.
The logic is the low % of 2 pt conversions made. They're good around 40% of the time. In the scenario Iowa was in, you can't live with a 40% chance of success when that 40% determines whether you can win the game in case of a failed attempt.
1. Scenario one - You go for one with a well over 95% success rate on PATs and you're down 1 score.
2. Scenario two - You go for 2 with a 40% success rate and you fail...you're still down two scores.
Scenario 1 extended. You recover the kick, get the score, go for 2 to tie, fail, you're still down 1 score with no time left. How is this better?
Don't underestimate the value of putting pressure on the defense. When you fail on the first 2 pt conversion, game over. When you hit the PAT, you still apply pressure.
You never, ever want to end the game sooner than necessary. Ever. When you fail on the first 2 pt conversion, you ended the game.
For S's & G's, let's teleport back to the Purdue v Rutgers game to when we took possession of the ball down 8 pts on our own 30 yard line near the end of the game. Let's imagine you are given 2 options:
1) Play out the game like normal. Drive for the TD and then attempt the 2pt conv at the end of the game (like we saw). If you convert, you go to OT. We saw what happens if you don't convert.
2) You can run the 2pt conversion attempt before you start the possession. No matter the outcome of the attempt, you'll take possession of the ball at your own 30. If you convert, you drive down to score a TD and go to OT. If you don't convert, you now start the possession knowing you need a TD + a FG and can play the game accordingly.
Which option do you choose?
I don't see any difference in the scenarios if the 2pt attempt is successful. I think Option 2 gives me a slightly better chance to adapt and win in the scenarios where the 2pt attempt fails.
1) Play out the game like normal. Drive for the TD and then attempt the 2pt conv at the end of the game (like we saw). If you convert, you go to OT. We saw what happens if you don't convert.
2) You can run the 2pt conversion attempt before you start the possession. No matter the outcome of the attempt, you'll take possession of the ball at your own 30. If you convert, you drive down to score a TD and go to OT. If you don't convert, you now start the possession knowing you need a TD + a FG and can play the game accordingly.
Which option do you choose?
I don't see any difference in the scenarios if the 2pt attempt is successful. I think Option 2 gives me a slightly better chance to adapt and win in the scenarios where the 2pt attempt fails.
If the object was to lose by as few points as possible, then delaying the 2 point attempt is a no brainer. If the goal is to win the game, then it makes no difference statistically. Other than the fact you’d have the option of trying to win the game in regulation with another 2 point conversion. Either way the win probability is like 1%.
I guess it's debatable when to go for 2, but that was a low % play call going for the fade, always remember when we called a fade on the last play of the game vs psu at home w/ Brees going to Daniels.
How does putting pressure on the defense help you convert an onside kick or a 2 pt conversion? I know it feels like it should matter, but it doesn't.
It doesn't sound like you're following. The longer you stay IN the game, the greater chance you have WINNING the game. I thought that point was covered already, but apparently not. If you shoot your wad and miss the 2 pt conversion on your first possession, you lose out on the chance to put pressure on the other team.
Let me try again.
You're down 15. You score with 1, 2, 3 minutes to go (the details really don't matter right here).
You get the (d@mn near!) automatic PAT to pull within 8 (still, 1 possession, which is THE most important point). You onside kick (which still has pressure on the other team, remember?!).
With the added pressure, you increase your chances of recovering said onside kick.
Once you get possession, the defense is in panic mode (if you continue to apply pressure), giving you an advantage. (Oh, by the way, ever heard of the 'prevent defense'???! It isn't defense, and it doesn't prevent anything. Care to guess why??!)
contrast that with your strategy. You're down 15, score a TD, go for 2 and miss. Now, who has the confidence??? Who has the game won? Who is deflated? Who is in the drivers' seat? (Hint: the answer ain't YOUR team.)
I'm disappointed that this has even become a debate.
