A little reflection

[BBG]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

 

[rwenger]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

My friend, you ARE the Voive of Reason! If you are a military vet and/or a Purdue grad, I respect you all the more. Glad you didn't leave the board after all.

 

[BBG]

My friend, you ARE the Voive of Reason! If you are a military vet and/or a Purdue grad, I respect you all the more. Glad you didn't leave the board after all.

Thanks. Na wouldn't leave, just took a break for a couple days to let things calm down and hopefully some rational discussion can take place.

I've often said things are never as bad, or good, as they seem and still think that today. We only get a small glimpse in to the team and make a lot of assumptions based off of what we see on TV.

 

[BoilerBiker]

Agree with most of that.
I just assume there are truly only a few who actually want to fire painter Right Now (whether it's just trolling, quick overreacting, or some who dislike him from the start).

Though I would say I'm stepping over to the skeptic crowd for long term review/success.
It does sound like cubs fan talk - some piece always missing, wait til next year.
So many teams are missing some aspect themselves.
One of the big things for me is our staffs weakness in identifying and/or forcing matchups.
We heard UALRs mention of this.
We used to always say how hard it was to matchup to other big teams like UConn, msu, etc.
Now we are the big team and we cannot matchup to guard heavy teams.
At some point we need to figure out how and force our opponent to matchup to us for once.

I must differ than many here because I thought we had more talent and a better shot this year even with out a star PG.
Next year, sounds like MUCH pressure / expectations will be on our incoming (still 3 star?) Freshman Guard. I think the loss of ajh and even davis is apparently being greatly underestimated (even offonsively, not just the D).

In two years I would think we need to not only get back to the sweet 16, but push deeper in the tourney and win either the big ten regular season or conf tourney.
I think those are reasonable expectations.
If not achieved by then, and after that point, we will have practically a brand new roster and starting new again.

 

[honey_badger]

At what point does a coach of his supposed caliber take the training wheels off?

 

[*4purdue*]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

BBG, you know I'm very much in the "we need a change group". That being said, I know it's probably not going to happen. It's not because I think he's a terrible coach, though at times I wonder, but it's because I want more for Purdue in the tournament. 11 years is more than enough for me to see that even with the best talent, he can't take a team to the E8, let alone a FF. GK was not a great coach either, and I think Purdue should have pulled the trigger sooner with him as well. But at least with Gene, we had a lot of success during the regular season. He won 6 B1G titles, we were a 1 seed 3 or 4 times and a top 4 seed several times as well. He made it harder to make the change, because it seamed we were on the cusp several times. We haven't been higher than a 4 seed under CMP, and that was once. I don't think he brings the respect or hope to Purdue that Gene did, and we deserve that.

 

[Poprudy]

Where did we show improvement? I believe we stayed par...maybe declined. We started off hot and fizzled towards they end. Early in the year I believe we wouldn't have lost that game. We stayed par for sure...beat pitt, Florida, Vandy but struggled to keep large leads against Iowa,Maryland, MSU and Little Rock...all late in the year. His adjustments didn't work and that falls on him.

 

[Boiler_HD]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

Great post! I will be a Purdue fan until the day I die, I have 2 degrees from this university... no going back now ha.

Boiler Up my friends!

 

[StateStreet123]

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

I haven't followed this closely? Is Biggie seriously considering going to the NBA? What is the word out there?

I understand he may be unhappy with playing time at end of a few games due to matchups. But, in broad perspective, Painter certainly used Biggie ALOT, in ways that he promised (at the 4), and he played ALOT of minutes. And, Biggie produced. I am not sure he would have got the same minutes, a the same position, at M$U or other schools he was considering.

And next year he will be THE MAN at Purdue alongside Haas. Will likely also move to the 5 when Haas goes to the bench which will showcase his skills further. I just dont see a compelling argument to risk the NBA right now - so much more to gain by coming back next year.

 

[Poprudy]

Do you feel we shouldn't have beaten those teams with huge leads and 3 at home? He just has never adjusted well and that is frustrating. We have always struggled against a press and it continues today.

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

I agree with you but Painter must change his bb system and recruiting to match today's game or we will continue to fail on the big stage.
The 1980s and 1990s are history, I know because I was there.
Peace

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Great post! I will be a Purdue fan until the day I die, I have 2 degrees from this university... no going back now ha.

Boiler Up my friends!

You mean you're not burning your diplomas because of basketball? You must not have the state of Indiana in your blood. Shame on you. What a world, what a world.TIC.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

So now that things have calmed a little, I think we can try to have a legit discussion about things. Well, I hope we can and that this thread doesn't spiral out of control.

First: Painter isn't getting fired. There is zero chance that is going to happen and if he continues to at least have Purdue ranked in the top 20 and finish in the upper tier of the B1G, he is likely to get a contract extension when the time comes. Now that is just my opinion on it though and nothing more.

Second: Painter made mistakes. There is an article linked on here where he admits it as much and that is the type of integrity I want as a coach. But guess what? EVERY coach makes mistakes. Any new coach we get in here will make them and the level of turmoil that firing Painter now would cause, would take us years to fix IMO. The players like him, he has character and integrity and is a good quality in a coach.

Now that does not mean I am not holding him accountable for the loss, far from it. For me it is what he does the next couple years before his contract is up that will determine how I feel about retaining him at the time. As I said, he isn't getting fired so right now I fail to see the point to jumping on that bandwagon, for now.

Third: Before the season began I was not a fan of the rule changes as they are seemingly just turning the college game in to a NBA farm league. I had a fear that teams like ours that are defensive minded and take a while to set up an offense, would be impacted by the rules the most and there may be some truth to that. We are seeing a LOT of upper seeded teams drop out and higher scoring games as a result. Painter needs to adjust to that and I think we have the players to do that going forward.

Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake.

FIfth: I have little doubt Painter is trying to get the players he needs to be successful. Think about it, had he found Octeus 2.0 in Hill, we'd probably still be playing and rolling. I see posts on here that discount that it isn't hard to recruit to Purdue. Well I disagree. Northwestern is in a similar boat in how it is viewed and if location or just being viewed as "ivy league" doesn't have some impact, then they should be able to get the pick of players in the region. Again that is just my perception as there could be a million reasons that impact it.

Sixth: While Painter gets some of the blame for the loss, so do some of the players. But I guarantee as angry as we are over the loss, the staff and team are even more angry.

Seventh: I think next year we will be worse on defense for obvious reasons, but assuming the players work in the offseason we should be better offensively. If Biggie stays in theory we should have a solid front court and more balanced scoring. We need a PG plain and simple. I like PJ and I think he works in certain situations, but we need an Octeus 2.0.

And finally: As I said earlier Painter isn't getting fired. He also isn't a bad coach, is he great? No. At least not yet. But he also isn't mediocre. A mediocre coach doesn't get a team as highly ranked as we were and continue to show improvement. What we should be doing now as a fan base is rallying around the team, the coaching staff included. Remember, potential recruits and current players and family of those players and recruits read this forum.

And I wonder how some of the stuff on here makes us look to them. I respect everyone's opinion and their right to make it, I would just like to see it done more constructively. Calling Painter names or even other posters 3rd grade names, just doesn't look good for us. If I can grasp that, so can you

Okay, I agree. I think we were all pissed since this seemed like the best chance we had in awhile. Other good teams losing has helped ease the pain a bit also for me. That said, I had co-workers who really don't follow Purdue, except that they know of my suffering through the years, comment that we seemed in a daze with no direction at the end of the game. They blamed our coach. I have to agree some but we have a lot of follower players, good but not the captain type. I was watching that bearded guy from Stephen F Austin last night, and I thought he was a lot like C. Kramer. We need a take charge guy like that. I think Biggie or Vince could be that next year but I like a guard for that. That said, my mad is reduced today. Hell we could be like Illinois or someone else who can't even be excited for next year. I'm a lifer but my life is getting shorter, so Lord please save my soul before I die with a deep run. Go Boilers!

 

[BBG]

I agree with you but Painter must change his bb system and recruiting to match today's game or we will continue to fail on the big stage.
The 1980s and 1990s are history, I know because I was there.
Peace

Now that I completely agree on. His system used to work but not really anymore with how the game has changed.

And I should quantify that I think his offensive scheme needs to adjust. The game is less defensive minded now, so I don't think there is much to be gained there. But that is just me.

 

[BBG]

Okay, I agree. I think we were all pissed since this seemed like the best chance we had in awhile. Other good teams losing has helped ease the pain a bit also for me. That said, I had co-workers who really don't follow Purdue, except that they know of my suffering through the years, comment that we seemed in a daze with no direction at the end of the game. They blamed our coach. I have to agree some but we have a lot of follower players, good but not the captain type. I was watching that bearded guy from Stephen F Austin last night, and I thought he was a lot like C. Kramer. We need a take charge guy like that. I think Biggie or Vince could be that next year but I like a guard for that. That said, my mad is reduced today. Hell we could be like Illinois or someone else who can't even be excited for next year. I'm a lifer but my life is getting shorter, so Lord please save my soul before I die with a deep run. Go Boilers!

Good point. This team really lacks an on the court leader. Vince I think can be that guy... or maybe even Basil.

 

[lylegolf72]

I think VE is a playmaker but not a court leader....from what I saw this year I think that role will move from RD to CS. He will want the ball in his hands and will take the next step in his game similar to Draymond Green.

 

[BBG]

I think VE is a playmaker but not a court leader....from what I saw this year I think that role will move from RD to CS. He will want the ball in his hands and will take the next step in his game similar to Draymond Green.

Good point. Right now it doesn't matter who it is, someone just needs to step up.

 

[BBG]

Do you feel we shouldn't have beaten those teams with huge leads and 3 at home? He just has never adjusted well and that is frustrating. We have always struggled against a press and it continues today.

If losing leads was just prone to us and not a lot of teams, I would be more inclined to agree with you. However, teams all over the country have lost leads and some frequently (IU is a bit of an example) lose them. With the 3 point shot and actually more time this year than last for offense, leads can disappear in a blink. Look at Duke against ND as another example.

Now, as far as breaking the press I think we did "okay" against it in the tourney but yes it could be much better. Part of that is the players on the team as well. He has to adjust to their skills and hope they can make something happen. PJ and Hill weren't so he adjusted and took them out (too late IMO).

There were two glaring issues that caught my eye in the tourney loss, turnovers and a couple really bad stretches of play. Those bad stretches fall on the ENTIRE team... staff to players. And I think if we get a vocal leader out there next year, at least the second part of my statement hopefully can be addressed.

 

[Boiler Buck]

"Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake."

Biggie going pro? Is that even an issue? He is looking like a 4 year player to me. So many turnovers....I often wonder if his kick name should be apple or cherry instead of Biggie.

 

[BBG]

"Fourth: Bigge don't go pro. That would be the biggest mistake of your life. Fan bias aside, seriously epic mistake."

Biggie going pro? Is that even an issue? He is looking like a 4 year player to me. So many turnovers....I often wonder if his kick name should be apple or cherry instead of Biggie.

Just rumors at the moment. VERY unsubstantiated ones at that.

 

[MJ-79Boiler]

First,

A BIG thanks to all of you for the discussions during the year ! - I am a basketball fanatic and absolutely love ALL of it - the good, the bad, the light side, etc...

The acceptance: I have long thought this team had a shot to be on the level of the baby boilers - I was WRONG !

The coaching: Matt is a great guy, but if this tournament is proving anything, it is proving on a daily basis that Matt's coaching skills are "OUTDATED !" No, I am not in the "fire Matt now camp", but . . . I can see the day coming, if he doesn't upgrade his skills. The game is changing as his his personnel and he is not able to adjust to the annual changes. The good coaches adjust to these things. Keady played a plodding style when it gave his team the best chance of success, but he also started running when he had the 3 amigos and some athletic talent. Bobby knight went from 3 scorers getting all the shots to recognizing if he had a slasher, etc.. they would be even more potent. Knight also recognized that when he had Kent Benson he HAD to play an aggressive ZONE !

The new rule changes were another example. Matt is not dumb. He has to see that if favors the speedy driving teams against his bigs - but WOULD not go zone against these teams to take their normal style away ! ! Even Wichita state did it today and that's when they erased a 21 pt Miami lead to give them a chance !

We also had DEPTH ! If he had used it to press, he would have cut at least 10 seconds off the clock and better prepared his PG-less team for pressure teams.

If he STILL doesn't get it next year, then I will be ready for change, after watching team after team drive on Isaac or pulling him away from the basket. Think IU zone Matt with Vince at the point to disrupt, if you want to optimize your talent

 

[MJ-79Boiler]

Think IU zone Matt with Vince at the point to disrupt, if you want to optimize your talent

Correction: I don't mean to leave everyone thinking a zone is the only thing we can play next year - only that it has to be part of the tool kit, when teams have a driving advantage we can't stop

 

[lylegolf72]

I think you are on the right track and have identified one of the team's top improvements needed moving into next year.

1. Painter's coaching adjustments
2. Vocal court leader
3. Less turnovers and learning to play strong with the ball
4. Floor spacing and keeping shooters on the same side as post ups

 

[lylegolf72]

Inside #1
I would like to see Painter play half court sets with Haas and Biggie on the court then push tempo with a lineup of VE, Basil, DM, Cline

 

[BBG]

I think you are on the right track and have identified one of the team's top improvements needed moving into next year.

1. Painter's coaching adjustments
2. Vocal court leader
3. Less turnovers and learning to play strong with the ball
4. Floor spacing and keeping shooters on the same side as post ups

I would add an out of the blue #5... add a press. If we can develop a good press, then we can also break it. Everyone seems to be doing it now too since the shot clock is lower.

 

[Schnelk]

Haven't really thought about it yet but Haas seems like the most likely guy to speak up and get on somebody's butt. Name somebody else more vocal. Senior Stephens? No. Junior Smotherman? Idk, maybe. Edwards seems too mellow. Thompson? Mathias? So who does lead next year?

 

[MJ-79Boiler]

Next year? Has to be Vince in the off season, but could be our new PG or Biggie by the time the next tourney rolls around.

As for playing zone !, . . Even Coach K just put Ingram at the "TOP" of a zone to disrupt the offense. Now that's what I call . . . Smart !

Matt: