Indy_Rider said:

You hired him because even if he can't bring the offensive coordinator with him, he has shown he has an eye for identifying the right guy to lead that side of the ball. He hired Josh Heupel as OC when he was at Mizzoui and that turned out to be a good hire too.

So, you have some hope he can make the right hires based on actual history of doing it. To me, that's important because if you get a hot coordinator, just matter of time before someone poaches them for a promotion.

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This is correct and quite frankly, at this level of college football, the elite coaches are CEO’s.

Brohm was fun as a playcaller but Kirby Smart, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, etc etc… they all have their specialty on one side of the ball but they hire good coaches and let them coach while maintaining control of the culture and organization.

Odom learned a lot of tough lessons at Mizzou. If he recruits well at Purdue, he will be the most successful coach since Tiller.

PaBoiler78 said:

as a DC no way, as a DB coach OK ( would help bring back some of the DB's lost to portal)

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I don't think he was bad as a DC, last year he took over calling the D and it did improve. This year, because of the mess on offense he was forced to focus there and the D suffered. That's also completely sums up Walters problem as a head coach, he was horrible at hiring a competent staff.

DwaynePurvis00 said:

The problem has been teams have pushed our offense and Braden so far out, that getting the ball to try at the top of the 3 pt line or beyond doesn’t help much. We need to start the offense closer than what PSU and Marquette pushed us out.

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Start the offense from the wings instead of the top and it’s tougher to push Smith out.

boilertiger05 said:

I have thought about it. They probably both realize how weird that would be but I could see Walters back at some point.

Walters was a good DB coach. Hasnt been much more than that.

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as a DC no way, as a DB coach OK ( would help bring back some of the DB's lost to portal)

boilertiger05 said:

I have thought about it. They probably both realize how weird that would be but I could see Walters back at some point.

Walters was a good DB coach. Hasnt been much more than that.

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Can’t be this soon. I think he CAN recruit. I think he probably knows something about coaching DBs. I think the way he handled it all and never really adjusted and acted like it was the players and not him was too much for the fan base.

He clearly lost the team. Don’t know why you’d want him back so quick.

Ready at the beach...

IronChefBBQ said:

That’s the question.

Did we hire Odom because of his extensive Defensive experience and connections from his tenure at Missouri? Fine.
Did we hire him because of the success at #20 UNLV and it was “Do that here”? That only works if he brings Brennan Marion with him for multiple years, the way Tiller had Chaney…

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You hired him because even if he can't bring the offensive coordinator with him, he has shown he has an eye for identifying the right guy to lead that side of the ball. He hired Josh Heupel as OC when he was at Mizzoui and that turned out to be a good hire too.

So, you have some hope he can make the right hires based on actual history of doing it. To me, that's important because if you get a hot coordinator, just matter of time before someone poaches them for a promotion.

Penn State is a very good team, athletic and has superior guard play. The final score was not indicative of the their total domination of Purdue. Let's see how they do on the road in the BIG. They should get even better as they meld their new pieces together. Their coach is using the best attributes of his team very well. As for Purdue, life after Edey is a learning curve both offensively and defensively. They need a full fledged breakout from one of the trio of Heide, Colvin, or Harris to finish higher than fourth. I mean a breakout that is consistent, not a one game wonder.

New Pal Boiler said:

What if Odom wanted to keep Walters around as his DB coach 😆

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I have thought about it. They probably both realize how weird that would be but I could see Walters back at some point.

Walters was a good DB coach. Hasnt been much more than that.

New Pal Boiler said:

What if Odom wanted to keep Walters around as his DB coach 😆

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Shoot me

IronChefBBQ said:

That’s the question.

Did we hire Odom because of his extensive Defensive experience and connections from his tenure at Missouri? Fine.
Did we hire him because of the success at #20 UNLV and it was “Do that here”? That only works if he brings Brennan Marion with him for multiple years, the way Tiller had Chaney…

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You need to look deeper at Odom to understand what he is.

He got the job at Mizzou after Gary Pinkel announced he was retiring 2 weeks after his team threatened to boycott a game unless the university system president resigned. There is A LOT to that situation but the president ultimately resigned and the program was a complete trash fire. Odom was a hot shot DC and no one else wanted the job so he got it. The offense in Pinkel’s last year was amongst the worst in college football.

Odom’s first move as HC was to ressurect Josh Huepel’s career. Huepel at the time had been fired by Oklahoma and spent a year as OC at Utah State as he was shunned by power 5 jobs because Stoops lost it with him. Odom and Huepel were long time friends and Odom brought him on board.

Huepel stuck around for 2 years and his career has been on an upward trajectory ever since. After Huepel left, Odom nearly hired Jedd Fisch before throwing a curve ball and hiring Derek Dooley from the Dallas Cowboys. This was a high risk hire which worked out well in year one with Mizzou having an elite offense for a second consecutive year. Dooley helped Mizzou land Kelly Bryant from Clemson going into Odom’s 4th year and expectations were unnecessarily high. Team finished .500 and Odom being EXTREMELY stubborn refused to communicate with the AD at the time. The AD and Odom hated each other and the relationship was bad enough that Odom said its him or me and Odom was let go. Honestly, Odom might still be the head coach at Mizzou if he werent such a stubborn person.

After being hired by UNLV, Odom’s first hire was Bobby Petrino as OC. Bobby was there for about a week before A&M gave him a massive pay check so Odom turned to Marion.

Bottom line, Odom has made four OC hires:
Huepel
Dooley
Petrino
Marion

I would say all four have been good on some level. Dooley was the most problematic, but he wasnt a disaster. Kelly Bryant was a disaster.

Odom will hire a good OC for Purdue. I am confident of it. Odom is highly respected and an excellent football mind.

People need to understand the issue with Odom at Mizzou was he was stubborn and is not a flashy hype salesman like Drinkwitz. Mizzou people wanted someone to recruit top 15 classes. Odom is more of a developmental coach. He is a good recruiter, but he’s not flashy.

His defenses have never really been great as a HC. For the most part his teams tend to tilt offensively despite his defensive background. Its wild.

Make no mistake, Odom is amongst the top 15 defensive minds in college football right now. Were he to lose the job at Purdue, all of the major programs in the SEC and perhaps NFL would want him as a DC.

pboiler18 said:

If he can keep Browne around and bring his OC, next year could be interesting.

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What if Odom wanted to keep Walters around as his DB coach 😆

Bleedinggoldandblack said:

Reality check for the boys , the 3 leaders need to show up.

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And everybody else needs to be focused and provide production in all areas. I would expect a better overall game from Purdue, but this is another challenging opponent. First true road test for the Terrapins.

Schmedly_Whiplash said:

It seems to me that one solution to these hard hedges is for Braden to dump the ball back to a diving Trey to lead a 4 on 3, half court fast break. You want to jump double Braden at the top? FIne, we'll take a man advantage to the hoop.
TKR has the passing skills to do it effectively. Can he make the right decisions and control the turnovers playing on the run? Will Matt put that pressure on him in the first place?
Bust that double with a couple of layups and an open 3 and they'll come out of that bs.

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The problem has been teams have pushed our offense and Braden so far out, that getting the ball to try at the top of the 3 pt line or beyond doesn’t help much. We need to start the offense closer than what PSU and Marquette pushed us out.

Blimpy said:

1. Penn St.
2. Purdue
3. Ohio State.
4. Iowa
5. Wisconsin
6. Maryland
7. Oregon
8. Michigan St.
9. Ucla
10.Michigan
11.Rutgers
12.Illinois
13.Nebraska
14.Indiana
15.Northwestern
16.USC
17.Minnesota
18.Washington
* Based on player overall stats

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Hmm...I haven't seen enough, but doing this after Penn St loss probably leads to some bias. I'd have Purdue lower after that egg.

Top gaurd teams in B1G in no order:

Ohio State
Illiniois
Rutgers (Harper alone puts them up there)
Oregon
Penn St
Wisconsin

Not including UCLA because I haven't seen 1 minute of them.

Not having a 3rd consistent gaurd hurts Purdue. Neither Braden or Fletch have been consistent either and both have become less aggressive it seems. They are also average defenders.

If Colvin keeps improving and Cox or Harris hit stride then maybe Purdue can enter that conversation with above group.

Reality check for the boys , the 3 leaders need to show up.

Good Sunday afternoon, ladies and gentleman. It's the second of the two early conference games with the Maryland Terrapins (8-1; 1-0) visiting Mackey Arena to take on the #8-ranked Purdue Boilermakers (7-2; 0-1). It's a noon (Eastern time) tip with television coverage on the Big Ten Network. Maryland is coming off a 83-59 thrashing of Ohio State at home, and Purdue is returning home after getting manhandled at Penn State, 81-70, in a game that wasn't really as close as the score might indicate.

Projected Starting Line-ups:

Maryland - Julian Reese, Derik Queen, Selton Miguel, Ja'Kobi Gillespie, and Rodney Rice

Purdue - Trey Kaufman-Renn, Camden Heide, Myles Colvin, Fletcher Loyer, and Braden Smith

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The Terrapins enter this game well above average in scoring offense as they are 17th with an average of 86.3 points per game. Maryland is 54th in rebounding with 40.1 boards a night and 127th in assists with 15 dimes per contest. Maryland is above average defensively, ranking 10th in scoring defense as it allows 58.7 points a night. Derik Queen leads the team with 16.6 points plus 8.3 rebounds a game this season. Julian Reese (13 points, 8.3 rebounds), Rodney Rice (12.2 points) and Ja’Kobi Gillespie (13.7 points, 3.1 assists) each average in double figures. Selton Miguel, Tafara Gapare, DeShawn Harris-Smith, Jay Young and Malachi Palmer are looked at to contribute for coach Kevin Willard. Maryland shoots 49.5% from the floor as a team this season. The Terrapins are connecting on 8.2 threes per contest while shooting 33.2% from beyond the 3-pt arc. Maryland is above average at the FT line, converting 73.7% of their chances this season.

This is going to be another challenging match-up for Purdue. Purdue is currently 15th in KenPom Ratings (10th offense, 55th defense), and Maryland is 17th overall (38th offense, 6th defense). Maryland is 109th in adjusted tempo - so not as fast a pace as Penn State....but they will still try to speed up Purdue. They have more firepower in the front-court, so could still cause problems in a half-court game.

Maryland also likes to press and can turn teams over, and they also have some size with a talented front-court. Reese is experienced and has been aided with the addition of true freshman Derik Queen. Maryland's only loss is a tight contest to Marquette at home. This will be Maryland's first true road game, and the Boilers could really use the boost from the friendly environment. Purdue will definitely need a much better and focused effort from the team and better production efficiency than what occurred Thursday night at Penn State.

Naturally, Purdue cannot afford to drop to 0-2 with a loss at home - and although this is not an absolute "must win" game, it certainly seems that way for the Boilers' conference championship opportunities. From Matt Painter - "Our quality of play was so poor the other night we couldn't function." Boilers need to embrace the physicality and meet the energy level and surpass it.

Look for Purdue to play better, but I expect this to be a very competitive game and tough challenge for the Boilers. Can they get things back on track?

We shall see, coming up in less than an hour.....

Boiler up, my friends.

As of right now I want to say it’s a safe hire but not a homerun hire…it’s a hard sell for a homerun hire at the moment. Hopefully Odom can bring his OC with him!! UNLVs program was a dumpster fire before Odom and then he turned it around for 2 back to back solid seasons in a row so I’ll give him credit for that. This program needs a direction to go so hopefully Odom can lead them in the right direction.
Hiring a good GM should be the next step!

RossMackey said:

Agreed.

People forget that Joe Tiller was a DEFENSIVE assistant at Purdue before he went to Wyoming to be HC.

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He was OC at Wyoming and Washington St first before becoming HC at Wyoming.

Defense guy. Whose OC has an offense that's heavy run. None of those work at Purdue. Bad hire.

IronChefBBQ said:

Did we hire him because of his extensive Defensive experience and connections from his tenure at Missouri? Fine. Did we hire him because of the success at UNLV? That only works if he brings Brennan Marion with him for multiple years, the way Tiller had Chaney…

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Agreed.

People forget that Joe Tiller was a DEFENSIVE assistant at Purdue before he went to Wyoming to be HC.

PaBoiler78 said:

then they beat us at RA

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On a bullshit call at the end if I remember.

Bleedinggoldandblack said:

Did you write this for attention ? wow , just wow! Your talking about one of the most respected coaches in college basketball. There is always room for improvement and I'm sure CMP is tougher on himself than this post. Keady fell short at time but he loved Purdue as does Painter , I loved watching Gene. Obviously Painter hasn't met your " expectations " and I understand you posting your disappointment, but when it comes to family and CMP is family we don't get rid of them discard them , we encourage them and a rise and fall with them , but there's always a place at the table. CMP loves his players and that's good enough, ask Hummel, Ivey, Edey ... he's a father figure to them . So I'll start a post keep Painter.

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Did you actually read and understand my post? I'm 110% behind CMP. DryFly88 said we would have a lean year if CMP didn't embrace NIL after the 2023 season. We all know what happened last season. I wrote it to point out that some people on this forum react so negatively when Purdue BB falls short.

I was actually looking for the posts 12 years ago (2013-14 season) when there were dozens of posters who wanted to fire CMP. I was against it then and against it now.