tjreese said:

There are two more athletic players for Purdue and they are Cam and Myles and neither are adding much offense.

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Different kinds of athleticism. They are both leapers for sure and both can be good on defense.

Neither seem very creative on the drive or getting their own shot off the dribble. For Heide it's either thunder slam attempt or three. Colvin is similar although he does get the occasional hustle putback.

I'm not seeing them take their guy and break them down off the dribble.

Gman544 said:

Good point. Penn State, I don't know, awful game for Purdue. A&M has many of the same attributes as Auburn, but a notch below. I feel Purdue playing their best could beat Penn State and give A&M a game. Against Auburn the talent gap is way to big. Last year's Pudue team would fare about the same as they did vs UCONN against Auburn. ( A real 15 point loss not the 30 pont beat down before garbage time made it closer.)

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Purdue playing their best beats TAMU by double digits.

Last year’s team would have beat that Auburn team, could have lost too but I’d bet they would win more than lose. Edey takes out Broome and any front court they had. It would have been similar to the bama game last year.

A. Ness said:

Clearly he's the best PG since 1980 if not ever at Purdue, but who is 2-5? I don't remember anyone before Stephens since I was a baby. I'd go Stephens 2, and everyone else blah.


Who was your 2-5? You got LewJack, Cunningham, Porter Roberts, the blend of McKnight/Parkinson, Eric Hunter the non QB, who else?

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I think he's very good. But Painter hasn't had many very good PGs if any. Same with Keady. I'm not sure he's any better than Stephens for example. But otherwise, point guard has rarely been a top spot for us. We've had what one guy you could call a pure PG who made the NBA in the Keady-Painter Era? I am skeptical Braden makes it primarily because he gives up too much in both size and quickness. If he were 6-3, he'd be a first rounder.

Gman544 said:

Who?

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There are two more athletic players for Purdue and they are Cam and Myles and neither are adding much offense.

BoilerNGold013 said:

Seems like short comings were exposed against less than the best team in the country ala penn st and texas am

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Good point. Penn State, I don't know, awful game for Purdue. A&M has many of the same attributes as Auburn, but a notch below. I feel Purdue playing their best could beat Penn State and give A&M a game. Against Auburn the talent gap is way to big. Last year's Pudue team would fare about the same as they did vs UCONN against Auburn. ( A real 15 point loss not the 30 pont beat down before garbage time made it closer.)

Gman544 said:

Agree with about every thing said, but... That team is tremendous. Best defense in the country. Tall, athletic quick guards,that close on shots and block or disrupt them. Ditto on wings. Plus a player of the year, do it all big man. Some teams have athletes who are not great basketball players. They have both. Poor Braden was just over matched, the large guys guarding him were quicker then him. Loyer tried his best with some success, but was held in check in the second half. Heide and Colvin shortcomings were exposed by a great defense. But, lets see how they do against good, but mortal teams before we throw them all under the bus.

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I don't think they should be thrown under any buses but we are seeing a pattern now that either gets fixed via scheme or personnel or both.

Doing what we do right now has a hard cap.

HUD628 said:

I mean come on. Y’all wanna try to help us out a little bit? Good lord.

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So bad that Painter started Harris and Berg over them. Yikes!

pubill said:

He is no NB A talent

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Higher rated than Berg and Harris for a program that generally doesn't produce NBA talent.

Chi-Boiler said:

At this point it'll be in a 1-9 second round game.

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Maybe not…might be in different regions 😁

DwaynePurvis00 said:

TJ, what do you see in the offensive sets tho? I just see Colvin and Heide not even looking to shoot or attack. Not even dribble with purpose to a spot or break their man down. They either get the ball and look for the next step in the offensive set, which is usually to Loyer or Smith OR they stand in the corner and watch TKR back down his man or Loyer or smith try to create something that’s not there.

I assume paint is trying to run stuff through the big 3, but Colvin and Heide are absolutely non existent at times. And vs teams that apply a lot of pressure, those 2 could be an X factor to break down that type of defense.

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I’m on a phone and won’t type much which many will appreciate. Matt gives a LOT of freedom to his coaches and have no idea how much influence PJ has. That said, prior to Zach Purdue ran things for Dakota coming off pin downs and many coming off of off ball screens. Matt has a lot of sets that don’t involve high ball screens by the 5 as most his career did not involve such. Perhaps he needs to incorporate some of those as well? Are there times he just has a designated screener that slips, dives and pops when more in motion.

Bottom line is that Purdue needs counters against pressure as a team and traditionally that has been a weaker area of Matt’s IMO. You have to back off the pressure, especially if the refs are slow with the pea to counter. Second, might get by with one player not scoring, but not two. Need to get something out of Myles and cam on offense. I’m typing this while at father in law’s Christmas gathering. 😊

jdbrees922 said:

The pick and roll with Renn isn’t working. What happened to the motion offense we ran before Edey . Get those 2 guys involved, not just someone who sits in the corner. I think it’s the offense more than them , but do agree they both need to be aggressive and they’re not. If you’re gonna move Cox and Burgess to the starting lineup then bench Heide or Colvin but not both, and Loyer sits cause we would be awful small otherwise

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Agreed. Need everyone involved on offense. Can’t run the edey offense with TKR, especially if he’s not hitting his FTs at a high clip. Just get guys open shots, don’t matter how. And attack the damn basket off the dribble.

BoilerNGold013 said:

Seems like short comings were exposed against less than the best team in the country ala penn st and texas am

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Auburn is special if they can stay healthy. They can win it all. But yea, agree rid what you said about Penn state. On the flip side, I am glad paint challenges his guys with these type of games. We could be playing the chatanoogas and Miami of ohios and struggle with them and then be surprised when they play an actual team and get blown out. So there’s that.

I think we still make the tourney as a 5-7 seed and hopefully make a little S16 run

The pick and roll with Renn isn’t working. What happened to the motion offense we ran before Edey . Get those 2 guys involved, not just someone who sits in the corner. I think it’s the offense more than them , but do agree they both need to be aggressive and they’re not. If you’re gonna move Cox and Burgess to the starting lineup then bench Heide or Colvin but not both, and Loyer sits cause we would be awful small otherwise

tjreese said:

Purdue was much slower than Auburn and was sped up. I hope Purdue gets to play them again. 😁

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At this point it'll be in a 1-9 second round game.

Boiler8285 said:

SEC never embraced the whole "student athlete" thing and in today's world they will thrive. Amazing Pearl is now a saint after his shenanigans at UT. It's a new world with pay to play and unlimited free agency.

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Plus, he knows how to throw a good BBQ.....haha.

BB62 said:

DEI was intended to give those minorities who ARE SMART ENOUGH AND GOOD ENOUGH to get jobs they were denied for decades. That was a REAL THING. Do you remember? Or are you gonna deny that it ever happened?

Now, while in some cases it has gone too far and needs to be reevaluated, it doesn't mean there aren't racist asswipes out there who are still denying qualified people positions based on their color, ethnicity, or religion.

You can take solace that when our institutions go to hell because of unqualified people who are focused on the wrong thing, DEI will be no more. I guess you can only blame the white people then.

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That’s the thing that I have trying to convey. They are conditioned to believe that blacks and other minorities are not smart enough and good enough to be hired for the same positions as whites. But since in their minds, white women are smart enough and they say absolutely nothing about them benefitting from affirmative action/DEI more than any other minority.

TC4THREE said:

Congratulations. At the end of your best season ever you're stuck bragging about beating a 1-11 opponent.

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The team that didn't opt out playing the tough teams on your schedule.

Purdue Grad in Texas said:

CJ Cox ends up leading the team in scoring with 16 (3/5 from deep) 7/7 FT's.....wasn't in crunch time, but maybe it's a spark - he does need more minutes. Burgess 7/4 in mop-up duty.

Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, Alabama, A & M going to have some battles - Ole Miss and Mississippi State can play as well. SEC is cashing in these days.

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SEC never embraced the whole "student athlete" thing and in today's world they will thrive. Amazing Pearl is now a saint after his shenanigans at UT. It's a new world with pay to play and unlimited free agency.

Gman544 said:

Agree with about every thing said, but... That team is tremendous. Best defense in the country. Tall, athletic quick guards,that close on shots and block or disrupt them. Ditto on wings. Plus a player of the year, do it all big man. Some teams have athletes who are not great basketball players. They have both. Poor Braden was just over matched, the large guys guarding him were quicker then him. Loyer tried his best with some success, but was held in check in the second half. Heide and Colvin shortcomings were exposed by a great defense. But, lets see how they do against good, but mortal teams before we throw them all under the bus.

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Seems like short comings were exposed against less than the best team in the country ala penn st and texas am

TwinDegrees2 said:

Where do you come up with these non-truths?

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White women benefitting from affirmative action more than anyone is real. Has been for decades. So how do you feel about that now?

tjreese said:

It would help if the athletes scored some

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Who?

Agree with about every thing said, but... That team is tremendous. Best defense in the country. Tall, athletic quick guards,that close on shots and block or disrupt them. Ditto on wings. Plus a player of the year, do it all big man. Some teams have athletes who are not great basketball players. They have both. Poor Braden was just over matched, the large guys guarding him were quicker then him. Loyer tried his best with some success, but was held in check in the second half. Heide and Colvin shortcomings were exposed by a great defense. But, lets see how they do against good, but mortal teams before we throw them all under the bus.

qazplm said:

So we lose games like this by low double digits then

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Probably, unless the execution would improve accordingly.....

Auburn, Marquette, and Texas A & M are likely tournament teams, and I expect a couple of high seeds among them too.

I'd like to see Purdue play some solid games on the road - they have look rattled at times since the Penn State game. And, they are struggling on both ends right now.

qazplm said:

Catchings would have helped this team but he was a basket case that I just don't think would have been happy here and his play would have showed it. I don't think he wanted to be here.

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I don’t know if he would have come around or not, but he was loaded physically