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World War III just started

No kidding... haven't found a single person with brains.
Yeah, the ones with brains still post and cry about January 6th. Glad the world and country is miserable with Biden in charge. You can always count on Democrats to screw things up but keep believing things are going well. Do not acknowledge or admit weakness. Stay uniform in your message.
 
I really wish the country would fracture in two countries. Let the dems have half and the Republicans the other. Why should I be subjected to idiots like Biden or boiler king?
 
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That's possible, but I suspect that we would have gotten a lot of support from our NATO allies, since they are a lot closer to the front lines, than we are.

Granted, Putin isn't the most stable person in the world, but he's not stupid and he wants to remain in power as long as possible. If we put strong enough sanctions on Russia that pinched the Oligarchs, Putin may have gotten internal pressure to pull back.

In war, there is nothing more useless than a bullet left in the magazine, when your position is overrun and you get killed. Biden is like Barney Fife fumbling around in his pocket, trying to find his bullet.

Sanctions work best, if used early to deter unwanted conduct. It's like explaining to children what will happen, if they misbehave. Then having the will to follow through, if they do.
Well, we and European leaders were actually using diplomacy to try and solve the problem. Putting sanctions on Russia for a buildup would have certainly derailed that. And yeah, I know diplomacy didn't work.........but it would have been dead in the water if we had put in sanctions during the negotiations.

It also would have given Putin another excuse to criticize the west and another reason to invade. He would have used the move to play the victim.....and it would have worked to some degree with some countries. He would have said the US wasn't serious about the negotiations.

But waiting until he invaded made it clear to the world that he was the aggressor, his lame excuses notwithstanding. The reaction around the globe proves it.
 
I said it wasn't an insurrection, since it's really hard for a group of unarmed people to overthrow a government. A lot fewer people died in the Jan 6th protest, than in the Peaceful protests in Minneapolis & Seattle.
It wasn't about the rioters overthrowing the government. JFC how many times do you have to hear that........or are you just repeating crap until people believe it?
 
Your wrong..we are not a socialist country. The previous admin completely stopped controls and turned energy companies in US loose resulting in low prices for oil and gas world wide.. Now, the current admin philosophy is to put a moratiorum on all gas and oil explor/drill leases, stop all gulf operations, revert to increased regulations...see fracking as an example..and stop any new pipelines and end any current pipelines that need updated thus resulting in a worldwide shortage of supply driving up prices for everyone and benefiting countries like Russia and Iran. Killing pipelines Keystone doesnt result in product not being shipped to US refineries. It was and will still be shipped by rail and truck.It was just cheaper and more effecient, resulting in lower costs to US consumers. In short we are our own worst enemies
PS this GD board is a cesspool...over and out...forever
"Your" an idiot. You think I was saying we are a socialist country? The oil companies control how much they produce, not the government. Oil company profits are the highest in 7 years.

After years of federal lease sales to oil, gas and coal companies, environmentalists had hopes that President Biden would end the fossil fuel bonanza.
But one year after announcing a halt to any new federal oil and gas leasing, Biden has outpaced Donald Trump in issuing drilling permits on public lands. After setting a record for the largest offshore lease sale last year in the Gulf of Mexico, the Interior Department plans to auction off oil and gas drilling rights on more than 200,000 acres across Western states by the end of March, followed by 1 million acres in the Cook Inlet, off the coast of Alaska.


What new regulations has Biden put on fracking?

Biden stopping keystone and not updating pipelines........whatever that is.....is why there's a worldwide shortage of oil resulting in higher prices? Covid anyone? Supply and demand?
 
I don’t like stupidity.
Kinda how Democracy works. There are two sides, each thinks the other is stupid. You win elections. You lose elections. Change is slow. As it should be. The alternatives are places like China and other singular authoritarian regimes… Russia. You may not like Democrats, but I doubt you would like 70 years of singular leadership regardless of the party in charge. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all that.

People think the country is more divided than ever… they need to go read more American history. Nothing is different. We just have 24hr news channels telling us what to think and how outraged we should be now.
 
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There is a global pandemic going on that is killing people. Sorry, but no sympathy for the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd. You're endangering others.
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There is a global pandemic going on that is killing people. Sorry, but no sympathy for the anti-mask, anti-vax crowd. You're endangering others.
Except masks don't work. I'm vaxxed and still got it and where from? Other Vaxxed people in my office as they are all vaxxed (required).

So no, it's not the anti-vaxxers endangering people, it's the vaxxed cultists like you spreading lies and misinformation.
 
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China calls US actions "immoral", says US is the "culprit" in Ukraine.
Russia says sanctions will receive a strong response, finely tuned and painful to the American side.
 
China calls US actions "immoral", says US is the "culprit" in Ukraine.
Russia says sanctions will receive a strong response, finely tuned and painful to the American side.
They are going to cut off Pelosi's Vodka supply.

Kidding aside, this really shows how weak this administration is and unfortunately, we are the ones that are going to pay for it .
 
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I don’t like stupidity.
That and more so just disagree on almost everything that my tax dollars are going towards (wasted). I’ve never been against this waste in any time in my life as it is now. Our values and policies have most certainly changed.

The open boarder with care packages and lack of law and order against crime are right up there too.
 
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They are going to cut off Pelosi's Vodka supply.

Kidding aside, this really shows how weak this administration is and unfortunately, we are the ones that are going to pay for it .

As long as she can still get her ice cream. That industrial sized freezer doesn't fill itself!
 
Well, we and European leaders were actually using diplomacy to try and solve the problem. Putting sanctions on Russia for a buildup would have certainly derailed that. And yeah, I know diplomacy didn't work.........but it would have been dead in the water if we had put in sanctions during the negotiations.

It also would have given Putin another excuse to criticize the west and another reason to invade. He would have used the move to play the victim.....and it would have worked to some degree with some countries. He would have said the US wasn't serious about the negotiations.

But waiting until he invaded made it clear to the world that he was the aggressor, his lame excuses notwithstanding. The reaction around the globe proves it.

The problems with Democrats, both Obama and Biden, is that they think if you're nice, the other guy will be nice back.
It doesn't work that way. You have to force peace through strength.
Why do you think we had global geopolitical stability under Trump? Even from from the crazy people in Russia and Korea. Why? Because they feared Trump. They were not willing to test him.
Biden is like a parent who only used harsh words to discipline a child. Eventually, the child realizes there's no consequence to ignoring the harsh words.
 
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The problems with Democrats, both Obama and Biden, is that they think if you're nice, the other guy will be nice back.
It doesn't work that way. You have to force peace through strength.
Why do you think we had global geopolitical stability under Trump? Even from from the crazy people in Russia and Korea. Why? Because they feared Trump. They were not willing to test him.
Biden is like a parent who only used harsh words to discipline a child. Eventually, the child realizes there's no consequence to ignoring the harsh words.
What, exactly, do you think Trump would be doing differently?
 
Well, we and European leaders were actually using diplomacy to try and solve the problem. Putting sanctions on Russia for a buildup would have certainly derailed that. And yeah, I know diplomacy didn't work.........but it would have been dead in the water if we had put in sanctions during the negotiations.

It also would have given Putin another excuse to criticize the west and another reason to invade. He would have used the move to play the victim.....and it would have worked to some degree with some countries. He would have said the US wasn't serious about the negotiations.

But waiting until he invaded made it clear to the world that he was the aggressor, his lame excuses notwithstanding. The reaction around the globe proves it.
Sanctions that should have been imposed when the military manuvers first started. These sanctions will not help Ukraine, will not deter Putin or his cronies one bit. They're a joke from a joke of a President. But you just keep putting garbage out supporting your idiot and senile President.
 
Sanctions that should have been imposed when the military manuvers first started. These sanctions will not help Ukraine, will not deter Putin or his cronies one bit. They're a joke from a joke of a President. But you just keep putting garbage out supporting your idiot and senile President.
You support sanctioning countries conducting military maneuvers inside their own borders? That’s bold.

How would it prevent this? If the sanctions are already in place, there is no further deterrent without use of force.
 
Why do you think Putin waited until Trump was out of office and Biden was in?
Correlation is not causation. Zelensky was elected in 2019. And since late 2019 Ukrainian parliament has made NATO membership a foreign policy goal. In late 2020 and early 2021, Georgia and Ukraine sought plans to formally join NATO. That’s when Russia started putting troops at the border.

I know this is hard for Americans to fathom, but not every single thing in the world has to do with the US. Russia’s aggression and stance towards Ukraine has **** all to do with who the US President is.
 
You support sanctioning countries conducting military maneuvers inside their own borders? That’s bold.

How would it prevent this? If the sanctions are already in place, there is no further deterrent without use of force.
So, you're in favor of innocents being slaughtered, children killed, dictatorship over freedom. We knew what Putin was going to do....he did the same thing in 2014 with Crimea. As for the sanctions early, it most likely would have the same results these Biden blunders are having but it might have deterred the invasion a bit.

I know you love Joe and anything the Dem's do, but Joe isn't capable of taking a knife to a gun fight.
 
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What, exactly, do you think Trump would be doing differently?
Trump would have drawn a line and told Putin exactly what would happen if he crossed it.

Putin knows Biden is a spineless jellyfish, so all of Biden's bloviating didn't deter Putin one bit. Putin doesn't respect Biden. Putin respects (fears) Trump.
 
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Trump would have drawn a line and told Putin exactly what would happen if he crossed it.
What would that line have been and what do you think Trump would have threatened.

Be specific.

Because Biden and the world drew a line and outlined what the response would be and have followed through on it with the toughest sanctions the US has ever imposed on a single country. Putin still invaded.

What would Trump have threatened that would’ve stopped this, in your opinion?

Again, be specific. “Trump strong, Biden weak” is not a plan.
 
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Again, be specific. “Trump strong, Biden weak” is not a plan.
But it is a plan. Putin views Biden as weak as does Xi hence why he invaded and Putin was right. Biden blinked because those sanctions should of been in place BEFORE Putin went in.

Trump took out Russian operative in Syria and even Putin even called Trump "unpredictable" hence why he stayed put until Biden got in office. This whole invasion is no coincidence.

I am by far not the biggest Trump supporter as an Independant, but even I can see the stark differences between Biden and Trump. We're on the doorstep of WW3 and that is happening under Biden's watch, it didn't happen under Trump's. That is the cold hard fact of this whole thing.
 
What would that line have been and what do you think Trump would have threatened.

Be specific.

Because Biden and the world drew a line and outlined what the response would be and have followed through on it with the toughest sanctions the US has ever imposed on a single country. Putin still invaded.

What would Trump have threatened that would’ve stopped this, in your opinion?

Again, be specific. “Trump strong, Biden weak” is not a plan.
It doesn't matter what consequence Trump laid out.
The point is, the price to pay would have been so high that even if Trump were bluffing (remember, he's one of the best negotiators in the world), Putin wouldn't be willing to call that bluff.

On the other hand, it didn't matter what Biden said. Putin laughed at it because those "severe" consequences weren't "severe" enough.
 
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It doesn't matter what consequence Trump laid out.
The point is, the price to pay would have been so high that even if Trump were bluffing (remember, he's one of the best negotiators in the world), Putin wouldn't be willing to call that bluff.

On the other hand, it didn't matter what Biden said. Putin laughed at it because those "severe" consequences weren't "severe" enough.
It does matter. Your last sentence said it matters. What would Trump have said or done?

One of the best negotiators in the world. OK. He says so.
 
But it is a plan. Putin views Biden as weak as does Xi hence why he invaded and Putin was right. Biden blinked because those sanctions should of been in place BEFORE Putin went in.

Trump took out Russian operative in Syria and even Putin even called Trump "unpredictable" hence why he stayed put until Biden got in office. This whole invasion is no coincidence.

I am by far not the biggest Trump supporter as an Independant, but even I can see the stark differences between Biden and Trump. We're on the doorstep of WW3 and that is happening under Biden's watch, it didn't happen under Trump's. That is the cold hard fact of this whole thing.
What do you think would Trump have done differently?

That it happened in 2022 and not in 2019 is irrelevant with respect to who the President is, and the people who are chiming in with that are ignorant of what Ukraine has done since late 2019 into 2021 with respect to turning back towards NATO and the EU. It is classic correlation, not causation, when discussing that with respect to Trump and Biden.

To be honest, every single person except for one who has engaged with me in this thread is taking such a simplistic view of this it's alarming and disappointing that you guys associate yourselves with Purdue. Most of what you guys are spouting is partisan nonsense I imagine is being fed to you by Fox or Newsmax or Trump himself. I truly hope that none of you are as ignorant as you appear in these threads.
 
So far, the only answer I've gotten amounts to, "Well, Trump was unstable, so Putin was scared of him."

Putin knows Trump is full of shit, like we all do. Second, not one of you will put your name on saying "I think Trump would've bombed Moscow and gone to war with Russia." Why? Because you know he would not have. He probably would've threatened that, and then WHEN Putin called that bluff, as he would've because he is intent on keeping Ukraine away from NATO, Trump would've been exposed and nothing would've changed except more damage to US credibility.

None of you will come out and say that because you know that's exactly what would've happened. None of you are willing to say "Trump would've gone to war to defend Ukraine" because you know it's not true, and you also know that's the only thing that would've stopped Putin.

There is zero grounds from any treaty, organization, or otherwise economically, for US military intervention in Ukraine amounting to a ground war with Russia.

So let's stop this charade and remember who the actual enemy is here.
 
So far, the only answer I've gotten amounts to, "Well, Trump was unstable, so Putin was scared of him."

Putin knows Trump is full of shit, like we all do. Second, not one of you will put your name on saying "I think Trump would've bombed Moscow and gone to war with Russia." Why? Because you know he would not have. He probably would've threatened that, and then WHEN Putin called that bluff, as he would've because he is intent on keeping Ukraine away from NATO, Trump would've been exposed and nothing would've changed except more damage to US credibility.

None of you will come out and say that because you know that's exactly what would've happened. None of you are willing to say "Trump would've gone to war to defend Ukraine" because you know it's not true, and you also know that's the only thing that would've stopped Putin.

There is zero grounds from any treaty, organization, or otherwise economically, for US military intervention in Ukraine amounting to a ground war with Russia.

So let's stop this charade and remember who the actual enemy is here.
I doubt that Trump would have done much differently. A U.S-Soviet Union/Russia war has been unthinkable for about 65 years. Both are armed to the hilt with nukes.
 
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