You're better than this.
1. I don't really care if he calls out groups by their formal name - but saying "many sides" equated white supremacists shouting anti-black, anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi - including one who murdered a peaceful protester to others. That's NOT the same. And also, many Republicans don't agree with you.
2. There wasn't REAL (aka non-crazy conservative) confusion as to whether Obama actually condemned those terrorists or that the terrorists SUPPORTED Obama. So don't equate those.
3. The right were the ones screaming about calling it that - including YOU - but you don't feel the same about criticizing Trump for not doing it. Got it.
4. These groups LOVE Trump, so even MORE reason Trump should be distancing himself as clear as can be. If the KKK was saying how much they love you in public, would you just smile and nod and be quiet? Probably not! I would be HORRIFIED if I was Trump and people were walking down the streets with Nazi flags chanting "Heil Trump".
Apparently I feel stronger about not being associated with white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc. than you or Donald. I'd want not a damn thing in that realm associated with my name - or even the possibility. This should be the easiest thing that this country can agree on.
LMAO. You need to reread my post or just improve comprehension skills. Either that or you quoted the wrong post. The point was, the media, the left, liberals, and a some democrats were fine with general statements from Obama regarding terror. Now those same people want specific groups called out. Vice vera with labels and parties is true. Well, which is it? How do they want it handled? Thought processes should be independent of political party.
Also, just heard the governments statements. The words hate and bigotry were included in them yesterday. Also condemned all violence. Today they included condemnation of the KKK and White Nationalist groups. DOJ is looking into civil rights violation with the driver of car. That is pretty strong response pretty quick-especially before it is determined what actually happened at the event in its entirety.
Like it or not, it is entirely possible that the KKK/White Nationalist Part had their civil rights violated when/if their demonstration was halted or confronted with violence.
1. I don't really care if he calls out groups by their formal name - but saying "many sides" equated white supremacists shouting anti-black, anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi - including one who murdered a peaceful protester to others. That's NOT the same. And also, many Republicans don't agree with you.
Do not agree with me on what? You lost me. Newsflash-I do not agree with Republicans on a lot of issues. The blessings of being independent/non conformist in terms of political parties. And for not caring if he called out groups by name, suddenly you have a pretty impassioned post about it.
2. There wasn't REAL (aka non-crazy conservative) confusion as to whether Obama actually condemned those terrorists or that the terrorists SUPPORTED Obama. So don't equate those.
Huh?
3. The right were the ones screaming about calling it that - including YOU - but you don't feel the same about criticizing Trump for not doing it. Got it.
Right, like I said go back and read my post. And before this post, please point to me where I did/did not criticize or praise Trump for how he addressed situation.
4. These groups LOVE Trump, so even MORE reason Trump should be distancing himself as clear as can be. If the KKK was saying how much they love you in public, would you just smile and nod and be quiet? Probably not! I would be HORRIFIED if I was Trump and people were walking down the streets with Nazi flags chanting "Heil Trump".
This at least makes some sense. However, people are going to vote who they are going to vote for. Politics is a bit dirty. Ever see the picture of Clinton exchanging a kiss greeting with a former KKK member Senator Byrd? Not good. Realistically, I cannot hold who votes for Trump (KKK/White Nationalist) against Trump more than I could hold who voted for Obama(BLM/rioters in Baltimore/Ferguson) against Obama. As long as those people are legal to vote and voting legally that is the way it is. I do not like or support many groups, that said, I do not hold it against a politician if that said group votes for him/her.
Apparently I feel stronger about not being associated with white supremacists, neo-Nazis, etc. than you or Donald. I'd want not a damn thing in that realm associated with my name - or even the possibility. This should be the easiest thing that this country can agree on.[/QUOTE]
Well since you decided to go with that shot, here is what I think of the issue.
In short, deal with a lot of people day in and day out. In business, defense contracting, volunteer groups, hobbies, etc. I have little doubt some of them are/or lean racist, facist, Far Left, far right, are on the fringes of a few religous denominations. That is America and the world.. I would say my good friends do not fit these categories, but as far as associations not even sure what to say. On here I am sure Gr8 has dealt and had associations with racists in Navy, Kesweci has likely built a home or did contract work for a racist or a company that has a questionable ethics history, etc etc. Heck, was associated with people like this at Purdue. Not really sure what to say.
I think people/organizations have a right to gather/demonstrate/free associate. Right to protest. That said, generally I think people mis undertand that people have a right to protest/boycott in the other direction as well. That is how it is supposed to work. And yes, people have right to protest/assemble regardless if I agree with them or not. In a peaceful manner that is.
That said, as soon as authorities in Charlottesville realized that at the KKK/White Nationalist Party were going to demonstrate, and they knew ANTIFA/BLM was going to counter a number of things should have happened.
1) National Guard called in
2) Heavy State Police presence
3) No demonstration would be allowed or
4) In many areas one has to register a demonstration. If one group did this, the other would have been prevented from demonstrating citing public safety concerns on that day. If anyone thought for a second this would be peaceful I have some other news for you-Santa Claus is not real.
