Sometimes the Communists tell you what's really going on

[Boilermaker03]

Yet those that continue to vote Left will continue to deny it's reality. This is a quote by AOC's former handler:

"The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said. "We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." Just how much change would the Green New Deal bring to the economy? Put simply, it would bring it to its knees.

Who in their right mind would ever want to do this if you loved your country?

 

[BNIBoiler]

Yet those that continue to vote Left will continue to deny it's reality. This is a quote by AOC's former handler:

"The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said. "We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." Just how much change would the Green New Deal bring to the economy? Put simply, it would bring it to its knees.

Who in their right mind would ever want to do this if you loved your country?

Why is everyone a communist to y’all?

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Yet those that continue to vote Left will continue to deny it's reality. This is a quote by AOC's former handler:

"The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Chakrabarti said. "We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." Just how much change would the Green New Deal bring to the economy? Put simply, it would bring it to its knees.

Who in their right mind would ever want to do this if you loved your country?

Left? The Democratic party was taken over by IV leaguers between 68-72. Read listen liberal by Thomas frank. Then you had Buckley v Valejo in 76. That paved the way for buying politicians. Now the democrats respond to a slightly different base of billionaire donors as the republicans. Only slightly. Example, democrats don’t take gun lobby money. So that’s their big issue lol.

The green new deal? Well, first, renewables are a scam to grab a different set of subsidies than the big oil subsidies. Watch planet of the humans. And I’m as real left as they get.

Second, just like Obama care, the current democrats will sell you an idea that is left, like the new deal, and then they’ll make it all about trans this and that. Then the one party money party can say “see, new deals don’t work,” even though we have proof that they do. It’s just that Henry Wallace wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the halls of power today.

Look at healthcare. We should have single payer. Remember those statements “single payer would cost 32 trillion over the next ten years.” In the same study they acknowledged it would be closer to 40 doing it the way they are doing it now. Turns out unnecessary health insurance and administration is a massive cost.

So what does today’s left do? They put that out there before Obama was elected and bait and switched people into accepting a plan, Obama care, that was conceived of by the HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

The Democratic Party is run by globalists. The real establishment. They are covered for by a group of slightly less obvious establishment types like Bernie and aoc. Both of whom backed the cares act. Which is the least left legislation I can think of

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Why is everyone a communist to y’all?

You’re not a real lefty just so you know lol. You’re a professional class liberal

 

[SKYDOG]

Why is everyone a communist to y’all?

 

[Boiler Buck]

The Democratic Party is run by globalists. The real establishment. They are covered for by a group of slightly less obvious establishment types like Bernie and aoc. Both of whom backed the cares act. Which is the least left legislation I can think of

Agree today's left is run by globalist.

I learned long ago from Reagan that anytime Govt is involved or here to help, including health care, it sure is not a good thing......but certainly clearly a leftist policy.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Agree today's left is run by globalist.

I learned long ago from Reagan that anytime Govt is involved or here to help, including health care, it sure is not a good thing......but certainly clearly a leftist policy.

But what are you going to get instead of FDR style government? New deal or oligarchic technocracy run by international bankers and dressed up like it resembles old school politics in any way when it doesn’t?

Government doesn’t have to be wasteful. But FDR had guys who ran agricultural in Iowa on his cabinet. Not people looking to get rich as politicians. That’s the part that’s bad. It’s also not what any working Americans have asked for.

If I’m ultra wealthy and I hate the “useless eaters” getting any resources… here’s the playbook. I cast a so called “Democrat” who is really in the tank for me. Then I have them bastardize government on purpose so I can say “see, we can’t have government (my own guy) proved it’s bad!”

In the meantime, where is the real waste? Tons and tons and tons of juicy subsidies that go to the rich and their friends that zero working Americans asked for.

You’re on here talking about waste and the pentagon said they lost 21 trillion dollars some years back.

That’s 0.42 trillion a state. That money spent sensibly could have your town and my town looking a lot different. That money went to the wealthy and now they’re using it to buy up houses and rent them at usurious rents.

 

[Boiler Buck]

But what are you going to get instead of FDR style government? New deal or oligarchic technocracy run by international bankers and dressed up like it resembles old school politics in any way when it doesn’t?

Government doesn’t have to be wasteful. But FDR had guys who ran agricultural in Iowa on his cabinet. Not people looking to get rich as politicians. That’s the part that’s bad. It’s also not what any working Americans have asked for.

If I’m ultra wealthy and I hate the “useless eaters” getting any resources… here’s the playbook. I cast a so called “Democrat” who is really in the tank for me. Then I have them bastardize government on purpose so I can say “see, we can’t have government (my own guy) proved it’s bad!”

In the meantime, where is the real waste? Tons and tons and tons of juicy subsidies that go to the rich and their friends that zero working Americans asked for.

You’re on here talking about waste and the pentagon said they lost 21 trillion dollars some years back.

That’s 0.42 trillion a state. That money spent sensibly could have your town and my town looking a lot different. That money went to the wealthy and now they’re using it to buy up houses and rent them at usurious rents.

Agree Govt doesn't have to be wasteful in theory. But also know the reality..... Govt IS the most wasteful evil this country has ever created. A true enemy of the people.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Agree Govt doesn't have to be wasteful in theory. But also know the reality..... Govt IS the most wasteful evil this country has ever created. A true enemy of the people.

It wasn’t. What changed? I’ll tell you what changed. Buckley v Valejo allowed the rich to begin buying politicians. That and other decisions like it were in 1976. At that time even many republicans were new dealers because the proof was in the pudding. It wasn’t theory. It was practice.

The generation who had some or all of their adulthood from 1945-76 got to benefit from a promise. The contract was this…

You work 40 hours a week for your adult life (and it was actual work, not standing there)

You get:

A house - maybe not a great or glamorous house. But a house

A car
A family vacation once a year
A good standard of living
A pension

Many adults on my block in the 80s were thriving working labor jobs that are probably in Bangladesh now. And the ceo of your company might have had a life 3-4 times as bountiful as yours. Not 500.

My grandfather was a VP who worked at the top of a skyscraper in 76. He paid that top rate during progressive taxation. I got to see his house when I was a kid. It was a nice 3000 square foot house and he drove a Lincoln. It wasn’t a 6000 square foot house with multiple lake houses and a Porsche.

But here’s the thing. Life on the other side of town.. where I lived… where many of my family still lives.. was PARADISE compared to now.

But you know why I respect you?

You believe that my family in the old neighborhood should live like peasants despite working full time jobs. You believe they shouldn’t have the promise outlined above.

So does BNI, but he will go to them and tell them he wants them to have ACCESS to that life lmao.

Now, what happens when you allow the wealthy to buy politicians? Turns out they give OUR money back to their donors In a bunch of lucrative subsidy rackets, but they play a little trick. They say .. we are broke and it’s all because of that old lady who gets a welfare check! When all you have to do is look things up to know that government going to help poor and especially working class people is a drop in a bucket compared to the rackets.

Now, the calculation you make is “but I’ll be a true believer (and I believe you act in good faith) because me and mine will be on the right side of the tracks.

But, on a long enough time line, unless you’re one of the very richest who has ever posted here, your family will be cast with the peasants.

 

[Boiler Buck]

It wasn’t. What changed? I’ll tell you what changed. Buckley v Valejo allowed the rich to begin buying politicians. That and other decisions like it were in 1976. At that time even many republicans were new dealers because the proof was in the pudding. It wasn’t theory. It was practice.

The generation who had some or all of their adulthood from 1945-76 got to benefit from a promise. The contract was this…

You work 40 hours a week for your adult life (and it was actual work, not standing there)

You get:

A house - maybe not a great or glamorous house. But a house

A car
A family vacation once a year
A good standard of living
A pension

Many adults on my block in the 80s were thriving working labor jobs that are probably in Bangladesh now. And the ceo of your company might have had a life 3-4 times as bountiful as yours. Not 500.

My grandfather was a VP who worked at the top of a skyscraper in 76. He paid that top rate during progressive taxation. I got to see his house when I was a kid. It was a nice 3000 square foot house and he drove a Lincoln. It wasn’t a 6000 square foot house with multiple lake houses and a Porsche.

But here’s the thing. Life on the other side of town.. where I lived… where many of my family still lives.. was PARADISE compared to now.

But you know why I respect you?

You believe that my family in the old neighborhood should live like peasants despite working full time jobs. You believe they shouldn’t have the promise outlined above.

So does BNI, but he will go to them and tell them he wants them to have ACCESS to that life lmao.

Now, what happens when you allow the wealthy to buy politicians? Turns out they give OUR money back to their donors In a bunch of lucrative subsidy rackets, but they play a little trick. They say .. we are broke and it’s all because of that old lady who gets a welfare check! When all you have to do is look things up to know that government going to help poor and especially working class people is a drop in a bucket compared to the rackets.

Now, the calculation you make is “but I’ll be a true believer (and I believe you act in good faith) because me and mine will be on the right side of the tracks.

But, on a long enough time line, unless you’re one of the very richest who has ever posted here, your family will be cast with the peasants.

I believe in people, not Govt. Believe in God, family and working hard to achieve and then giving back after success.

In passing those values to my family everyone in my family has toiled to afford a good education. And that has gotten everyone good jobs where they worked hard to afford the place of their dreams. Govt had nothing to do with any of that. Never will. Success comes from within. Govt is only another barrier to overcome.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I believe in people, not Govt. Believe in God, family and working hard to achieve and then giving back after success.

In passing those values to my family everyone in my family has toiled to afford a good education. And that has gotten everyone good jobs where they worked hard to afford the place of their dreams. Govt had nothing to do with any of that. Never will. Success comes from within. Govt is only another barrier to overcome.

Okay, I gave you how things worked during the age of American prosperity. The new deal. Before politicians could be bought, even few republicans would come out against the new deal. What we’ve had for 40 years is neoliberalism and Milton Friedman dogma. It’s worse now. When given the choice I gave you of two things that actually happened, you can say I like mashed potatoes, but that’s just saying random stuff.

But none of that was true before 1976. Government did subsidize a lot of good things in American life. It was run more like a buyers club than a cesspool of waste. but that cesspool is actually what happens when the wealthy can buy government.

at some point people in your family went to college for dirt compared to now. who do you think subsidized that? you think tuition and fees were what they were 50 years ago because thats all it cost?

 

[Boiler Buck]

at some point people in your family went to college for dirt compared to now. who do you think subsidized that? you think tuition and fees were what they were 50 years ago because thats all it cost?

My girls are fairly recent graduates. As far as who subsided it.....they both worked extremely hard and both got full scholarships as Lilly Scholars from the local community foundation. Hard work pays.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

My grandfather was a fighter pilot in world war 2. He went to college at Purdue and other places for free. And not some bs like the gi bill is now. Free.

Back then, people like the you of now would have excluded him based on price or crippled him with life long debt.

But that’s what’s so ironic. If you take MOST fiscal conservatives, if their relatives were here before FDR, they’d work their whole lives without a nickel to show for it.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

My girls are fairly recent graduates. As far as who subsided it.....they both worked extremely hard and both got full scholarships as Lilly Scholars from the local community foundation. Hard work pays.

What year did you graduate? What was your tuition bill per year? Next your parents..

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Come on man. You’re not failing to answer because the answer obliterates your points are you? We both know that except for very few families, there’s someone in most families who was lifted out of poverty despite how hard they worked by new deal policies.

My father’s grandfather would probably be somewhat of an exception. He came here in 1916, learned to be a butcher then worked 365 at his store. But even then, without the new deal creating a Pareto effect, he’d have had very few customers with a dime to their name. Because, before Roosevelt, most Americans worked 6 days a week and lived in slum like conditions.

 

[Boiler Buck]

What year did you graduate? What was your tuition bill per year? Next your parents..

Tuition has increased like everything else.

Thanks to the last conservative Purdue President for keeping it constant for several years running without an increase.

Purdue is a bargain compared to schools back East. But Ivy Tech transferring to Purdue degree is the financial way to go now. Unless you can get your full degree @ Ivy Tech which I have encouraged several to do in nursing and radiology

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Tuition has increased like everything else.

Thanks to the last conservative Purdue President for keeping it constant for several years running without an increase.

Purdue is a bargain compared to schools back East. But Ivy Tech transferring to Purdue degree is the financial way to go now. Unless you can get your full degree @ Ivy Tech which I have encouraged several to do in nursing and radiology

It’s increased in a very disproportionate level. Now, what year and what did you pay. Then your parents … like I said, very few people don’t have a story where someone was plucked out of poverty by the new deal. My mom went to college for $100/semester in the late 60s dude.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Why is everyone a communist to y’all?

Because when their goal is to completely tank the Capitalist system, what do you think they are? That's what the stated goal of the Green New Deal was. Who backed the GND? Democrats.

 

[Boilermaker03]

Left? The Democratic party was taken over by IV leaguers between 68-72. Read listen liberal by Thomas frank. Then you had Buckley v Valejo in 76. That paved the way for buying politicians. Now the democrats respond to a slightly different base of billionaire donors as the republicans. Only slightly. Example, democrats don’t take gun lobby money. So that’s their big issue lol.

LMAO. Yes, and those IV leaguers are the same ilk that are teaching college students today that Socialism is great.

You think the billionaire donors are the problem? They are a problem (and a big one), but not the problem. The biggest problem is the Left as a whole. All they want to do is divide us, tell us we can't succeed on our own. Make us victims of another group. That way those groups NEED the government to "succeed". This is about as perverted of a lie as it gets.

The green new deal? Well, first, renewables are a scam to grab a different set of subsidies than the big oil subsidies. Watch planet of the humans. And I’m as real left as they get.

Yes, I'm aware. Renewable subsidies were an add to an already bloated budget that we can't afford. IMO, we should cut ALL subsidies. If something can't stand on it's own, it should fail.

Second, just like Obama care, the current democrats will sell you an idea that is left, like the new deal, and then they’ll make it all about trans this and that. Then the one party money party can say “see, new deals don’t work,” even though we have proof that they do. It’s just that Henry Wallace wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the halls of power today.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? Are you claiming that Obamacare works and was a success?

Look at healthcare. We should have single payer. Remember those statements “single payer would cost 32 trillion over the next ten years.” In the same study they acknowledged it would be closer to 40 doing it the way they are doing it now. Turns out unnecessary health insurance and administration is a massive cost.

NO WAY IN HELL!!!!! Single payer in the US would be a disaster for the world as a whole. The US is the world leader in medical innovation and that would fall off drastically with single payer, just as it has dropped off for places like the UK and Europe.

What Country Leads the World in Medical Innovation - Vantage Medtech

While there are several countries working to develop their medical technology, the current answer to the question “what country leads the world in medical innovation?” is the United States.

vantagemedtech.com

Healthcare is uber expensive right now, I agree, but it's because we keep regulating it to death with systems like Obamacare. We haven't had a true free market system in our lifetime.

Our health care is the best in the world, but it's ultra expensive because government and insurance are in bed with one another. We need to dramatically reduce regulation. Doctors, for example, have had to hire lots of people just to do paperwork and other crap that the government has regulated, raising costs to all of us.

We need to cut almost all regulation and let the free market work. We have a fantastic example of that, Lasic. There's no insurance that covers lasic and it's mostly left alone from a regulation stand point. It's improved leaps and bounds while getting CHEAPER because of this. That's how the free market works. Get the government out of it and we'd ALL be much better off.

So what does today’s left do?

Ruin everything.

They put that out there before Obama was elected and bait and switched people into accepting a plan, Obama care, that was conceived of by the HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

This is false.

Where Did The Idea Of Obamacare Come From? A Defense Of The Heritage Foundation

Where did the idea for managed competition come from? It came from Stanford professor Alain Enthoven, who in 1978 proposed using the federal employee benefits program as a model for a national health care program.

www.forbes.com

The Democratic Party is run by globalists. The real establishment. They are covered for by a group of slightly less obvious establishment types like Bernie and aoc. Both of whom backed the cares act. Which is the least left legislation I can think of

Yes, and those globalists are authoritarian Marxists.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

LMAO. Yes, and those IV leaguers are the same ilk that are teaching college students today that Socialism is great.

You think the billionaire donors are the problem? They are a problem (and a big one), but not the problem. The biggest problem is the Left as a whole. All they want to do is divide us, tell us we can't succeed on our own. Make us victims of another group. That way those groups NEED the government to "succeed". This is about as perverted of a lie as it gets.

Yes, I'm aware. Renewable subsidies were an add to an already bloated budget that we can't afford. IMO, we should cut ALL subsidies. If something can't stand on it's own, it should fail.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here? Are you claiming that Obamacare works and was a success?

NO WAY IN HELL!!!!! Single payer in the US would be a disaster for the world as a whole. The US is the world leader in medical innovation and that would fall off drastically with single payer, just as it has dropped off for places like the UK and Europe.

What Country Leads the World in Medical Innovation - Vantage Medtech

While there are several countries working to develop their medical technology, the current answer to the question “what country leads the world in medical innovation?” is the United States.

vantagemedtech.com

Healthcare is uber expensive right now, I agree, but it's because we keep regulating it to death with systems like Obamacare. We haven't had a true free market system in our lifetime.

Our health care is the best in the world, but it's ultra expensive because government and insurance are in bed with one another. We need to dramatically reduce regulation. Doctors, for example, have had to hire lots of people just to do paperwork and other crap that the government has regulated, raising costs to all of us.

We need to cut almost all regulation and let the free market work. We have a fantastic example of that, Lasic. There's no insurance that covers lasic and it's mostly left alone from a regulation stand point. It's improved leaps and bounds while getting CHEAPER because of this. That's how the free market works. Get the government out of it and we'd ALL be much better off.

Ruin everything.

This is false.

Where Did The Idea Of Obamacare Come From? A Defense Of The Heritage Foundation

Where did the idea for managed competition come from? It came from Stanford professor Alain Enthoven, who in 1978 proposed using the federal employee benefits program as a model for a national health care program.

www.forbes.com

Yes, and those globalists are authoritarian Marxists.

1. No they aren’t. They’re fiscally conservative. What they’re doing is trying to co-opt socialistic aspects of society like unions and forming co-ops (actually what Marx was talking about; the employer employee relationship) and switching people over to a bizarre mix of social issues and trans issues. Again, as much as we disagree, I’ll take you and Trump any day over a Hillary Clinton supporter. But I don’t think socialism is what you think it is. Having aspects of it in your nation can be very empowering to workers.

2. No they are the problem.

Because first, why was the country wonderful before those court decisions and terrible after. People thought government was a problem in 1980 when Reagan ran. No one thought that in 1966. The sentiment was that government was a tremendous buffer against the management ownership class.

Also you say the left? The left is Jimmy dore, Lee camp, Julian assange, Eugene v debs, Henry Wallace. In fact, Henry Wallace may be the last real full on lefty to have real power in Washington.

The Democratic Party is a socially liberal, ultra capitalist pro war party of meritocratic technocratic professional class types. The main constituency of the party was workers in 1966. Now it’s suburban professionals. The main power base of the party is most commonly found in places like Martha’s Vineyard.

If you are someone who works, who wants programs that help working people .. you know, instead of blowing a trillion a year on war, it’s been decades since anyone in Washington gave a flying **** about you.

Speaking of work, i have to get back to it. You still haven’t told me what you paid.. just tell me your age and I will find the laughably low tuition the new deal allowed you to pay, which then allowed you to give a comfortable enough life to your kids that they could focus on school 100%

 

[A. Ness]

Why is everyone a communist to y’all?

Good question. Most are pseudo-Marxist/anarchist, not actually communists.

 

[Boilermaker03]

1. No they aren’t. They’re fiscally conservative. What they’re doing is trying to co-opt socialistic aspects of society like unions and forming co-ops (actually what Marx was talking about; the employer employee relationship) and switching people over to a bizarre mix of social issues and trans issues. Again, as much as we disagree, I’ll take you and Trump any day over a Hillary Clinton supporter. But I don’t think socialism is what you think it is. Having aspects of it in your nation can be very empowering to workers.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Fiscally conservative? Seriously? These professors are about as left as left gets. Socialism is exactly what I think it is. The aspects we have currently are not good and are holding us back. People love to see wage growth, but none of that matters if it doesn't out pace inflation. Our social programs cause us to have much higher inflation than necessary, thus wage growth is minimal. People tend to only look at one side of that coin and now over time the middle class and poor are being squeezed to death.

2. No they are the problem.

Because first, why was the country wonderful before those court decisions and terrible after. People thought government was a problem in 1980 when Reagan ran. No one thought that in 1966. The sentiment was that government was a tremendous buffer against the management ownership class.

The government was the problem back in the 1930's and has been ever since. FDR took us down a path of self destruction ever since. Before you roll your eyes at this notion, all you have to do is look at the ticking time bomb that is our national debt. When major civilizations fail, it's a slow and agonizing process. Do you think the Roman Empire died overnight? No. It was a slow rot. Even after the empire had already failed, there were still people wearing the garb not understanding that it was already dead.

Also you say the left? The left is Jimmy dore, Lee camp, Julian assange, Eugene v debs, Henry Wallace. In fact, Henry Wallace may be the last real full on lefty to have real power in Washington.

When I say the left, I'm talking about Progressives, Communists, Socialists and Fascists. True Liberals aren't so bad, but Liberals also don't have a real grasp of how powerful those other segments are and the rot it's causing.

The Democratic Party is a socially liberal, ultra capitalist pro war party of meritocratic technocratic professional class types. The main constituency of the party was workers in 1966. Now it’s suburban professionals. The main power base of the party is most commonly found in places like Martha’s Vineyard.

Yes they are socially liberal, which is a problem. Many true Liberals are leaving the Democratic party because they are classically Liberal and don't like being socially liberal. In fact, much of the right now is displaying classically liberal qualities which is pulling people from the left.

If you are someone who works, who wants programs that help working people .. you know, instead of blowing a trillion a year on war, it’s been decades since anyone in Washington gave a flying **** about you.

There in lies the problem. Workers wouldn't need social programs top help them if big government wasn't inflating the shit out of our money. It's a vicious death spiral that unless we get out of it, it will eventually be the end of the US as we know it. Hell, we haven't even been the US of our fore fathers since the early 1900's. FDR really screwed the pooch. He will be know as the president that destroyed America if we don't turn things around.

Speaking of work, i have to get back to it. You still haven’t told me what you paid.. just tell me your age and I will find the laughably low tuition the new deal allowed you to pay, which then allowed you to give a comfortable enough life to your kids that they could focus on school 100%

Paid for what? I haven't seen a message from you asking about me paying for anything.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Fiscally conservative? Seriously? These professors are about as left as left gets. Socialism is exactly what I think it is. The aspects we have currently are not good and are holding us back. People love to see wage growth, but none of that matters if it doesn't out pace inflation. Our social programs cause us to have much higher inflation than necessary, thus wage growth is minimal. People tend to only look at one side of that coin and now over time the middle class and poor are being squeezed to death.

The government was the problem back in the 1930's and has been ever since. FDR took us down a path of self destruction ever since. Before you roll your eyes at this notion, all you have to do is look at the ticking time bomb that is our national debt. When major civilizations fail, it's a slow and agonizing process. Do you think the Roman Empire died overnight? No. It was a slow rot. Even after the empire had already failed, there were still people wearing the garb not understanding that it was already dead.

When I say the left, I'm talking about Progressives, Communists, Socialists and Fascists. True Liberals aren't so bad, but Liberals also don't have a real grasp of how powerful those other segments are and the rot it's causing.

Yes they are socially liberal, which is a problem. Many true Liberals are leaving the Democratic party because they are classically Liberal and don't like being socially liberal. In fact, much of the right now is displaying classically liberal qualities which is pulling people from the left.

There in lies the problem. Workers wouldn't need social programs top help them if big government wasn't inflating the shit out of our money. It's a vicious death spiral that unless we get out of it, it will eventually be the end of the US as we know it. Hell, we haven't even been the US of our fore fathers since the early 1900's. FDR really screwed the pooch. He will be know as the president that destroyed America if we don't turn things around.

Paid for what? I haven't seen a message from you asking about me paying for anything.

I don’t have time for this entire reply. But there’s a difference between the left what you think the left is. If you want the real American left, you should look back to the new deal, Henry Wallace, Eugene Debs and watch videos from unapologetic real lefties like Jimmy dore and Lee camp. What you think the left is is the product of the wealthy getting Buckley v valejo through in 76 and then answering the question “what if we could buy the Democratic Party”?

Go listen to dore and come back and tell me how often he goes on about socially liberal issues or trans rights.

End the wars overseas and bring that money back home
Free college (at local state schools, no frills; I’m only 46 and went to my first two years of college for $440 a semester; the money comes from the previous item)
Single payer (you save money)
A living wage (bring back the wpa)

We may disagree on the above, but I guarantee you if those professors are ever giving the above any class time, it’s to pay lip service. Before they teach cancel culture.

The Democratic Party is not the left. I’m a lefty and will vote for Trump over Biden.

 

[Boilermaker03]

I don’t have time for this entire reply. But there’s a difference between the left what you think the left is. If you want the real American left, you should look back to the new deal, Henry Wallace, Eugene Debs and watch videos from unapologetic real lefties like Jimmy dore and Lee camp. What you think the left is is the product of the wealthy getting Buckley v valejo through in 76 and then answering the question “what if we could buy the Democratic Party”?

You do understand that FDR was a Progressive/Fascist right? You're saying THAT is the true Left? Then yes, I know exactly who they are.

Go listen to dore and come back and tell me how often he goes on about socially liberal issues or trans rights.

I've listened to Dore plenty.

End the wars overseas and bring that money back home

Agreed

Free college (at local state schools, no frills; I’m only 46 and went to my first two years of college for $440 a semester; the money comes from the previous item)

NO! That would be disastrous. College is so expensive now because of all the government funds going to it. What do you think will happen if it's 100% government funded?

Single payer (you save money)

Sure, I will agree that it will save money, but ONLY because what we are doing now is the absolute worst thinig we could do. Single payer though, will KILL innovation and healthcare advancements will come to a crawl. Do you really want that?

Our best bet is a true free market system. Something we haven't had for 100 years.

A living wage (bring back the wpa)

HOLY FUCCK! This would be extremely stupid. People back then used to laugh at the WPA. Called it "Workers Piddle Around". Many of the buildings built under the WPA were so poorly done that they immediately had to be rebuilt. Learn your history! The WPA was a disaster!

You clearly do not understand economics. If you unnaturally raise wages of everyone, the prices of goods will go up. It causes inflation. The ONLY way to get people to increase their wealth is to slow inflation as much as possible. High minimum wages made the price of goods much more expensive and people lost jobs in California. You will have the same effect country wide if you do this dumb idea.

We may disagree on the above, but I guarantee you if those professors are ever giving the above any class time, it’s to pay lip service. Before they teach cancel culture.

The Democratic Party is not the left. I’m a lefty and will vote for Trump over Biden.

You need help because you're views on a lot of things are out of touch with reality.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You do understand that FDR was a Progressive/Fascist right? You're saying THAT is the true Left? Then yes, I know exactly who they are.

I've listened to Dore plenty.

Agreed

NO! That would be disastrous. College is so expensive now because of all the government funds going to it. What do you think will happen if it's 100% government funded?

Sure, I will agree that it will save money, but ONLY because what we are doing now is the absolute worst thinig we could do. Single payer though, will KILL innovation and healthcare advancements will come to a crawl. Do you really want that?

Our best bet is a true free market system. Something we haven't had for 100 years.

HOLY FUCCK! This would be extremely stupid. People back then used to laugh at the WPA. Called it "Workers Piddle Around". Many of the buildings built under the WPA were so poorly done that they immediately had to be rebuilt. Learn your history! The WPA was a disaster!

You clearly do not understand economics. If you unnaturally raise wages of everyone, the prices of goods will go up. It causes inflation. The ONLY way to get people to increase their wealth is to slow inflation as much as possible. High minimum wages made the price of goods much more expensive and people lost jobs in California. You will have the same effect country wide if you do this dumb idea.

You need help because you're views on a lot of things are out of touch with reality.

FDR wasn’t a fascist. You’re just a royalist prick who wants to take us back to pre FDR days when an American was more likely to be working 80 hours a week and living in slum like conditions

Here’s the thing .. if you agree on bringing most of that trillion home you’ve just answered the question how do for pay for it on everything else that believe in.

With that money we could be found great things here and probably lower taxes on most Americans

 

[Boilermaker03]

FDR wasn’t a fascist. You’re just a royalist prick who wants to take us back to pre FDR days when an American was more likely to be working 80 hours a week and living in slum like conditions

Yes he was. You're just ignorant of what a Fascist really is. He enacted all kinds of Fascist programs that the Supreme court had to overturn because they weren't constitutional. The blue eagle was one of his Fascist programs that was just fuccking awful!

You're ignorant of the facts. Poverty was declining heavily until LBJ enacted his "helpful" programs. Poverty has stagnated for the most part since. FDR was pretty much doing the same stuff. Nothing that FDR did would have been better if he did nothing. In fact what FDR did do was elongate the Great Depression.

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.gapminder.org/GapminderMedia/wp-uploads/20180313090207/extreme-poverty-trend1-1024x616.png

As you can see from that graph, poverty began to stagnate during FDR's term until after he was out of office. To his credit, Truman cut spending to balance the budget, dropping inflation and allowing people to continue to get out of poverty. LBJ brought all of that to a halt.

Here’s the thing .. if you agree on bringing most of that trillion home you’ve just answered the question how do for pay for it on everything else that believe in.

WRONG! I agree that we shouldn't be spending that Trillion on wars, but here's where I disagree with you. WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING THAT TRILLION AT ALL!!! We have a MASSIVE debt issue that is eroding our country away. It's why the lower and middle classes are struggling so badly. The invisible tax, inflation, is crushing them. Stop the GD spending of money we don't have. Stop crushing the middle and lower class.

This is exactly what globalists want though. They don't want you to own anything. They want you to rent everything from them.

With that money we could be found great things here and probably lower taxes on most Americans

Delusional. How are you going to lower taxes by spending more? That's just childish thinking there.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Yes he was. You're just ignorant of what a Fascist really is. He enacted all kinds of Fascist programs that the Supreme court had to overturn because they weren't constitutional. The blue eagle was one of his Fascist programs that was just fuccking awful!

You're ignorant of the facts. Poverty was declining heavily until LBJ enacted his "helpful" programs. Poverty has stagnated for the most part since. FDR was pretty much doing the same stuff. Nothing that FDR did would have been better if he did nothing. In fact what FDR did do was elongate the Great Depression.

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.gapminder.org/GapminderMedia/wp-uploads/20180313090207/extreme-poverty-trend1-1024x616.png

As you can see from that graph, poverty began to stagnate during FDR's term until after he was out of office. To his credit, Truman cut spending to balance the budget, dropping inflation and allowing people to continue to get out of poverty. LBJ brought all of that to a halt.

WRONG! I agree that we shouldn't be spending that Trillion on wars, but here's where I disagree with you. WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING THAT TRILLION AT ALL!!! We have a MASSIVE debt issue that is eroding our country away. It's why the lower and middle classes are struggling so badly. The invisible tax, inflation, is crushing them. Stop the GD spending of money we don't have. Stop crushing the middle and lower class.

This is exactly what globalists want though. They don't want you to own anything. They want you to rent everything from them.

Delusional. How are you going to lower taxes by spending more? That's just childish thinking there.

Fascism is government and corporations ruling as one. That’s what we have now lol. We might as well have Facebook and Pfizer sitting at Congress.

You’re against the new deal? Wow. Do you tell people at dinner that you don’t want them to have social security

 

[Boilermaker03]

Fascism is government and corporations ruling as one. That’s what we have now lol. We might as well have Facebook and Pfizer sitting at Congress.

You're close. It's when government tells private industry what to do. Obamacare is Fascist. Yes, we live in a mostly Fascist economic system right now. That is not in any way what Milton Freedmen would want though. That comment you made earlier was just absolutely bonkers.

You’re against the new deal? Wow. Do you tell people at dinner that you don’t want them to have social security

Hell yes I'm against the new deal. Social Security was never meant to work. It was a ponzi scheme. The benefits were originally designed to start paying out years after the average life expectancy at the time. NOW it's failing. We have too many people needing it and too few paying in. It's a ticking time bomb.

If you stopped taking people's money via tax and let them invest it they would be so much better off.

“In fact, young workers who elect personal accounts can expect to receive a far higher rate of return on their money than the current system could ever afford to pay them. For example, if a 25-year-old invested $1,000 per year over 40 years at Social Security's 2 percent rate of return, in 40 years she would have over $61,000. But if she invested the money in the stock market, earning even its lowest historical rate of return, she would earn more than double that amount — $160,000. If the individual earned the average historical stock market rate of return, she would have more than $225,000 — or nearly four times the amount to be expected from Social Security.”

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You're close. It's when government tells private industry what to do. Obamacare is Fascist. Yes, we live in a mostly Fascist economic system right now. That is not in any way what Milton Freedmen would want though. That comment you made earlier was just absolutely bonkers.

Hell yes I'm against the new deal. Social Security was never meant to work. It was a ponzi scheme. The benefits were originally designed to start paying out years after the average life expectancy at the time. NOW it's failing. We have too many people needing it and too few paying in. It's a ticking time bomb.

If you stopped taking people's money via tax and let them invest it they would be so much better off.

“In fact, young workers who elect personal accounts can expect to receive a far higher rate of return on their money than the current system could ever afford to pay them. For example, if a 25-year-old invested $1,000 per year over 40 years at Social Security's 2 percent rate of return, in 40 years she would have over $61,000. But if she invested the money in the stock market, earning even its lowest historical rate of return, she would earn more than double that amount — $160,000. If the individual earned the average historical stock market rate of return, she would have more than $225,000 — or nearly four times the amount to be expected from Social Security.”

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the government elected by the people telling business what to do; as in regulating them. Again. Let’s meet a bunch of working people so you can tell them you want to get rid of their social security and you want them to die in the street after a life of contributing to society.

And before you go on some communist rant, what the new deal was to me, was a good compromise between unionist/socialists and capitalists. Neither is a good unfettered. The new deal was an era where the businessman could still become incredibly rich, and yet the working man could go from growing up poor to attaining a good life or even affluence in much larger numbers than you see today. That’s just a ****ing fact.

I’m not for Obamacare. I’m for single payer. Remember about 3-5 years ago when they were all over the news “single payer will cost us 32 trillion over the next ten years! Look at this study.” They failed to read out loud the part of the study that said we would pay 40 trillion over the same period doing it the way we do it now. The health insurance and administrative bloat is incredible.

You may disagree with a lot things that former FDR cabinet member Henry Wallace wanted to do with money (creator of free lunch system at schools), but he wasn’t about waste. Even my ultra conservative grandmother always admitted that for whatever program that she hated in the 50s, there wasn’t a lot of blown money (I.e. democratic mayors putting up innovation centers that cost 100 million).

You can say whatever you want about Friedman in theory, but there are no new dealers in Washington. Everyone worships at the altar of Friedman. Biden says some things you consider socialist? Cool.. he actually championed the crime bill and made it so you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans.

AOC and Bernie are socialists! Uh yeah they both championed and voted for the cares act… the largest upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

Washington is one fascist gang bang. I notice you and that other idiot still haven’t addressed the 21 TRILLION DOLLARS the pentagon said they still couldn’t find. While you sit around having fantasies about a socialist in Washington. When the last one was probably Eugene v Debs

 

[JBoiler23]

https://s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.gapminder.org/GapminderMedia/wp-uploads/20180313090207/extreme-poverty-trend1-1024x616.png

This graph is for the world, not the US.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

This graph is for the world, not the US.

Yes, exactly.. one thing Jimmy dore always cited in the couple years after Trump was elected is that 50% of working Americans made 30k or less. 70% made 50k or less. The statistics are always changing.. but the amount of people who can’t afford a $1000 emergency has been about half to 70%. That’s a failed system. There’s no way only 30-50% of working Americans are hard workers.

 

[JBoiler23]

Yes, exactly.. one thing Jimmy dore always cited in the couple years after Trump was elected is that 50% of working Americans made 30k or less. 70% made 50k or less. The statistics are always changing.. but the amount of people who can’t afford a $1000 emergency has been about half to 70%. That’s a failed system. There’s no way only 30-50% of working Americans are hard workers.

I'm not really entering the discussion, but just pointing out that the graph presented does not support the argument, nor was it even relevant to the impact, positive or negative, of the New Deal.

 

[Boilermaker03]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the government elected by the people telling business what to do; as in regulating them. Again. Let’s meet a bunch of working people so you can tell them you want to get rid of their social security and you want them to die in the street after a life of contributing to society.

Regulation, as in to say, you can't do such and such is different than regulation saying you MUST do such and such. Massive difference. Fascism is the latter.

And before you go on some communist rant, what the new deal was to me, was a good compromise between unionist/socialists and capitalists. Neither is a good unfettered. The new deal was an era where the businessman could still become incredibly rich, and yet the working man could go from growing up poor to attaining a good life or even affluence in much larger numbers than you see today. That’s just a ****ing fact.

My grandfather made wooden toys out of his garage before the Great Depression. He was approached to make a product that ended up being the beginning of a business that is currently the 4th largest in the world at this moment in time. That kind of thing is near impossible today because of things like the New Deal and massive regulation.

I’m not for Obamacare. I’m for single payer. Remember about 3-5 years ago when they were all over the news “single payer will cost us 32 trillion over the next ten years! Look at this study.” They failed to read out loud the part of the study that said we would pay 40 trillion over the same period doing it the way we do it now. The health insurance and administrative bloat is incredible.

I'm for neither. I'm for total free market. Only regulation I would like to see passed is that pricing for services must be posted for all to see.

Single payer will make medical advancement stagnate. I bring this up a lot but you seem to ignore it. That's a very big deal. Without the US medical advancements healthcare improvement will come to a crawl. That's not a good thing at all.

Also, you will get rationing of care. Long lines to see a Dr, etc. Don't come with me that it won't happen, because it happens everywhere that has single payer.

You may disagree with a lot things that former FDR cabinet member Henry Wallace wanted to do with money (creator of free lunch system at schools), but he wasn’t about waste. Even my ultra conservative grandmother always admitted that for whatever program that she hated in the 50s, there wasn’t a lot of blown money (I.e. democratic mayors putting up innovation centers that cost 100 million).

There's always waste with government. The bigger the government the bigger the waste. That's why we need a limited Federal government and leave these issues up to the states. The way the Constitution was originally designed to do.

You can say whatever you want about Friedman in theory, but there are no new dealers in Washington. Everyone worships at the altar of Friedman. Biden says some things you consider socialist? Cool.. he actually championed the crime bill and made it so you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans.

I don't think you have a clue what Friedman stood for, nor do you have a clue what people in Washington stand for either.

AOC and Bernie are socialists! Uh yeah they both championed and voted for the cares act… the largest upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

Washington is one fascist gang bang. I notice you and that other idiot still haven’t addressed the 21 TRILLION DOLLARS the pentagon said they still couldn’t find. While you sit around having fantasies about a socialist in Washington. When the last one was probably Eugene v Debs

WTF are you talking about? I haven't avoided the 21 Trillion thing. I said it was bad, but there were so many things we've discussed that you're clueless on that I found those issues to be more pressing.

 

[Boilermaker03]

This graph is for the world, not the US.

Couldn't find a US graph that goes beyond 1959. Makes one think there's something to hide. Of course that's my climate skepticism coming out. Just about every single graph created my alarmists are cut off on specific years to make a trend seem worse than it really is because they are hiding inconvenient data.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Regulation, as in to say, you can't do such and such is different than regulation saying you MUST do such and such. Massive difference. Fascism is the latter.

My grandfather made wooden toys out of his garage before the Great Depression. He was approached to make a product that ended up being the beginning of a business that is currently the 4th largest in the world at this moment in time. That kind of thing is near impossible today because of things like the New Deal and massive regulation.

I'm for neither. I'm for total free market. Only regulation I would like to see passed is that pricing for services must be posted for all to see.

Single payer will make medical advancement stagnate. I bring this up a lot but you seem to ignore it. That's a very big deal. Without the US medical advancements healthcare improvement will come to a crawl. That's not a good thing at all.

Also, you will get rationing of care. Long lines to see a Dr, etc. Don't come with me that it won't happen, because it happens everywhere that has single payer.

There's always waste with government. The bigger the government the bigger the waste. That's why we need a limited Federal government and leave these issues up to the states. The way the Constitution was originally designed to do.

I don't think you have a clue what Friedman stood for, nor do you have a clue what people in Washington stand for either.

WTF are you talking about? I haven't avoided the 21 Trillion thing. I said it was bad, but there were so many things we've discussed that you're clueless on that I found those issues to be more pressing.

Fascism is the intertwining of business and government. No matter what you say. Mussolini had the big companies having a seat in the governing body. We have that but with the illusion that we don’t. They just buy the people who sit.

Let’s see what other stupid shit you have to say.

Well at least we know who you are. You’re a guy who was born on third base and thinks you hit a triple. If it’s harder to hit the shark tank lottery, I’m good with that.

My great grandfather had a store he opened after years working as a butcher when he got to this country. Turns out the new deal made it possible for him to have tons of customers with disposable income. Factory guys who didn’t have two nickels to their name in 1928… when he barely made it as he fed the less fortunate as much as he could with anything he could find.

I’m pretty good with many many working people doing better than they would if it means that a guy who wants to hit the toy lottery has some more barrier to entry. Oh, it turns out big corporations love barriers to entry.

Yeah, I know you’re for a free market Arthur. Say hi to Randolph for me. Unfortunately, so is everyone in Washington, as even fake lefty AOC went to Boston university and grew up in affluence. Why do we have any problems?

What happened to that 21 trillion? You still haven’t said. Turns out unfettered capitalism consolidates wealth and power and allows those with that wealth and power to buy politicians, rig markets and corrupt the system.

I’m all for big block grants to the states. Better use of the money than giveaways to the people who buy the system. Waste is far more prevalent today than it was in the new deal. The idea of the new deal was to strengthen the commons; I.e. the national parks through the WPA. Once money became more and more prevalent in politics that’s when the real waste started. Those who come from your world view buying politicians who in turn hand money over to them.

Housing and power subsidies? Or quantitative easing and trillions to chase WMDs that aren’t there?

I understand the theoretical nonsense that Friedman stood for. It ignores the market rigging that the wealthy and powerful will always engage in once they gain said money and power.

Again, you still haven’t told me the last conservative administration that kept costs low.

They all believe in the free market that allows the wealthy to use economies of scale to crush the working man. And then they engage in all of the corruption on top of it. And that’s also Biden, Obama, the Clintons etc.

No shit it’s bad. It’s also what happens when you move away from the new deal toward neoliberalism. Nobody involved in the loss of that money spent their time looking out for labor. That’s exactly what happens when everyone in Washington is on the side of management.

Naomi Klein notes that Nixon, out of fear, was the last president to do anything for workers. He approved a bunch of power subsidies. And not in a bill where the rich got way more than the amount of the subsidies. He just did it. Where are all the 21 trillion dollar opposes from his admin or 1959 or 1966?

“My grandfather was a toy mogul” lol.. no shit dude

 

[Joetboiler]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the government elected by the people telling business what to do; as in regulating them. Again. Let’s meet a bunch of working people so you can tell them you want to get rid of their social security and you want them to die in the street after a life of contributing to society.

And before you go on some communist rant, what the new deal was to me, was a good compromise between unionist/socialists and capitalists. Neither is a good unfettered. The new deal was an era where the businessman could still become incredibly rich, and yet the working man could go from growing up poor to attaining a good life or even affluence in much larger numbers than you see today. That’s just a ****ing fact.

I’m not for Obamacare. I’m for single payer. Remember about 3-5 years ago when they were all over the news “single payer will cost us 32 trillion over the next ten years! Look at this study.” They failed to read out loud the part of the study that said we would pay 40 trillion over the same period doing it the way we do it now. The health insurance and administrative bloat is incredible.

You may disagree with a lot things that former FDR cabinet member Henry Wallace wanted to do with money (creator of free lunch system at schools), but he wasn’t about waste. Even my ultra conservative grandmother always admitted that for whatever program that she hated in the 50s, there wasn’t a lot of blown money (I.e. democratic mayors putting up innovation centers that cost 100 million).

You can say whatever you want about Friedman in theory, but there are no new dealers in Washington. Everyone worships at the altar of Friedman. Biden says some things you consider socialist? Cool.. he actually championed the crime bill and made it so you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans.

AOC and Bernie are socialists! Uh yeah they both championed and voted for the cares act… the largest upward transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

Washington is one fascist gang bang. I notice you and that other idiot still haven’t addressed the 21 TRILLION DOLLARS the pentagon said they still couldn’t find. While you sit around having fantasies about a socialist in Washington. When the last one was probably Eugene v Debs

You set up a lot of straw men.

Social Security was set up to be security for people who paid in. So ask a bunch of working class people if they would rather a. Keep there current benefit? B. Or lose part of their benefit to pay people who never paid in. The latter is socialism. The former isn’t.

The NSLP was originated by Richard B Russell and signed by Truman.

All the things you list for Biden are things he would now oppose. JFC. He made it so you couldn’t claim bankruptcy on student loans? That’s cuz dude was as slave to the big banks and was known as The Senator from MBNA. Now he is illegally wiping away debt w/o Constitutional authority (I’ll call this a threat to democracy and acting like a dictator). Biden also was against gay marriage and vehemently anti illegal immigration because the trade unions owned him and they didn’t want to drive down wages. Now the dude is a sell out to the progressive left. Being bought and sold is the only constant in his life. And also being wrong on every foreign policy matter.

 

[JBoiler23]

Couldn't find a US graph that goes beyond 1959. Makes one think there's something to hide. Of course that's my climate skepticism coming out. Just about every single graph created my alarmists are cut off on specific years to make a trend seem worse than it really is because they are hiding inconvenient data.

"I couldn't find it, so it must be hidden" is quite the leap in logic.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You set up a lot of straw men.

Social Security was set up to be security for people who paid in. So ask a bunch of working class people if they would rather a. Keep there current benefit? B. Or lose part of their benefit to pay people who never paid in. The latter is socialism. The former isn’t.

The NSLP was originated by Richard B Russell and signed by Truman.

All the things you list for Biden are things he would now oppose. JFC. He made it so you couldn’t claim bankruptcy on student loans? That’s cuz dude was as slave to the big banks and was known as The Senator from MBNA. Now he is illegally wiping away debt w/o Constitutional authority (I’ll call this a threat to democracy and acting like a dictator). Biden also was against gay marriage and vehemently anti illegal immigration because the trade unions owned him and they didn’t want to drive down wages. Now the dude is a sell out to the progressive left. Being bought and sold is the only constant in his life. And also being wrong on every foreign policy matter.

I never Said I was against socialism as a balance to capitalism. I believe the new deal was a good compromise between both. Socialism may be a dirty word to you, not me. Old ladies having their dignity make you think of Stalin?

I’d have to go back and look. I believe hedges credited Wallace with being instrumental in the book death of the liberal class. It predated the Truman presidency. Wallace was likely instrumental in the WPA, which aided the NSLP.

Haha, so a career as a fiscal conservative and he claims he’s going to wipe away student loans. And maybe he’s done some marginal things in that regard, and he’s FDR now?

I’m reading this:

Who Qualifies For Biden’s Sweeping Student Loan Forgiveness Plan, When You Can Apply

President Biden is set to announce a new mass student loan forgiveness plan. Here are key details on who qualifies, and when you may be able to apply.

www.forbes.com

And it’s all half measure bullshit. It’s big talk where he can end up saying “I tried but was defeated, I can’t believe it.” I mean under his former plan, 10-20k? Who gives a shit. And now I see a bunch of bs.

“Borrowers who took out loans more than 20 or 25 years ago”

Why? How come you can’t file bankruptcy on the loans if you took them out 19 years ago? There’s still consequences if you file bankruptcy. It’s not a walk in the park.

This is all “stay inside the two party system” bullshit. “Biden is a socialist”… you people with this fantasy are hilarious.

Go follow Kshama Sawant. That’s someone who, for now, is the real deal. She may end up being co-opted or be discovered to be out of central casting like AOC. But for now that’s who you’re trying to convince me Joe Biden is.

My god your arguments are shitty. Is this where you tell me your mommy is a toy mogul lmao

 

[Joetboiler]

I never Said I was against socialism as a balance to capitalism. I believe the new deal was a good compromise between both. Socialism may be a dirty word to you, not me. Old ladies having their dignity make you think of Stalin?

I’d have to go back and look. I believe hedges credited Wallace with being instrumental in the book death of the liberal class. It predated the Truman presidency. Wallace was likely instrumental in the WPA, which aided the NSLP.

Haha, so a career as a fiscal conservative and he claims he’s going to wipe away student loans. And maybe he’s done some marginal things in that regard, and he’s FDR now?

I’m reading this:

Who Qualifies For Biden’s Sweeping Student Loan Forgiveness Plan, When You Can Apply

President Biden is set to announce a new mass student loan forgiveness plan. Here are key details on who qualifies, and when you may be able to apply.

www.forbes.com

And it’s all half measure bullshit. It’s big talk where he can end up saying “I tried but was defeated, I can’t believe it.” I mean under his former plan, 10-20k? Who gives a shit. And now I see a bunch of bs.

“Borrowers who took out loans more than 20 or 25 years ago”

Why? How come you can’t file bankruptcy on the loans if you took them out 19 years ago? There’s still consequences if you file bankruptcy. It’s not a walk in the park.

This is all “stay inside the two party system” bullshit. “Biden is a socialist”… you people with this fantasy are hilarious.

Go follow Kshama Sawant. That’s someone who, for now, is the real deal. She may end up being co-opted or be discovered to be out of central casting like AOC. But for now that’s who you’re trying to convince me Joe Biden is.

My god your arguments are shitty. Is this where you tell me your mommy is a toy mogul lmao

Joe Biden a fiscal conservative? When? He supported that legislation because he was getting paid and his family was getting paid. You think Hunter’s grifting started in the Ukraine? Such a common theme how Hunter’s financial prowess is tied to daddy’s government work. Great how the internet will pull up old articles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mbna-paid-bidens-son-as-biden-backed-bill/

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Joe Biden a fiscal conservative? When? He supported that legislation because he was getting paid and his family was getting paid. You think Hunter’s grifting started in the Ukraine? Such a common theme how Hunter’s financial prowess is tied to daddy’s government work. Great how the internet will pull up old articles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mbna-paid-bidens-son-as-biden-backed-bill/

when did I ever say these people weren’t acting as fiscal conservatives because they were getting bribed? Yes, legalized bribery is what has made this system what it’s been for almost 50 years. Since Buckley v Valejo. he could be Eugene debs behind closed doors for all I know, but spare me with some half measure token gesture “taking it all back.”

Yeah, Hunter Biden is a scum bag. Read the book secret empires. I know all about it. With relatives of people on both “sides.” The Obama stuff in that book would make just about any regular American want to vomit

I don’t care what you or anyone says Biden is about. I only care what he’s done. Whether he’s done it because he reads Friedman every night and rejoices OR because he was MBNAs payee is immaterial.