People sure seemed to think that way when it was about a cake for a gay wedding....
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I am absolutely for free enterprise and less government, but I'm even more in favor of our Constitutional Rights. I believe the whole Freedom of Speech thing was put in the Constitution, so differing political opinions could be openly voiced, without fear of censorship or retribution. It really appears that Big Tech is trying to suppress any speech that drifts a bit Right of center. There seems to be no limit on how far Left that speech can go, but tight controls on the other side. It looks a lot like censorship to me.
Some of you can feel smug that it's not affecting you, but when some of us lose our rights, it won't be too long, before more of you will as well. That's part of being in a Socialist Utopia. The state has all the rights and the people have none. Step by step, we are going the way of Venezuela and some of you are too indoctrinated or too dense to see it.
Wait ... are you saying access to health care should be a fundamental right? You’re sounding like Obama/Hillary there (and btw ... i disagree with Obamacare and how it was implemented).
Show me any censorship as it relates to conservative discussion on ..
taxes, health care, position on Israel or whatever political point you want to discuss.
Even the discussion on the constitutionality of the mail in voter laws.
None of that has been censored.
Yes. Antifa clearly states their objectives and what they want to do. But the media Says nothing. Go read Andy Ngo on Twitter; he will provide a plethora of evidence.
Show me where they have suspended the ayatollah’s account please. Just like what they have done to the right.
If that's the case, what's to stop Apple from monitoring my phone conversations and suspending my phone service, if I say something they don't like? Why are Apple & Google monitoring what's on Parler? Shouldn't Parler control that?
Your argument is false because Twitter allows individuals such as Louis Farrakhan and the Ayatollah of Iran to tweet. The first refers to Jews as termites and the second ends every statement with “death to America.” Do you think this incites violence and dangerous activities? Do you think the anyone who follows Iranian state feeds have been inspired to join a group that has been responsible for the death of Americans?
Antifa members also have access to Twitter and YouTube (google). Has their group has been responsible for violence?
And the CCP is welcome to tweet obvious falsehoods without any moderator notifying the reader that the content is false. Of course Google is deeply involved with CCP. And yet nobody cares about the number of high level of Google execs who have moved into the Biden administration? A company working hand-in-glove with a communist dictatorship to censor and control their population has moved to the new administration. Oh what ideas they could provide.
private firms have the right to do this. It is a little scary though that a handful of about 6-8 people can have so much control over public communication.
People should be arrested for yelling “Fire” in a crowded movie theater.
Forcing theatres to make sure everyone wears a cone of silence that has a MAGA hat on seems to be going a little too far IMO.
the police should arrest those who endanger the public and the courts can sort out the guilty.
As for the gay cake lawsuit. Apple and Google are the landlord that just shut the gay cake maker down (aka Parler because that entity didn’t conform to Apple and Google’s standards). And Apple and Google have much deeper pockets to fight this in a court of law. I doubt the ACLU picks up this case a pro bono...which is even more concerning.
Uhhh, who gets to make decisions on what is moderate and violent? We have seen over the last several months that violence is accepted if the cause is deemed appropriate. What happened last week was totally unacceptable but so was much of the violence and destruction over the summer (I am not talking about those who were peacefully protesting). Make no mistake, free speech is under assault, some don’t care so long as it only goes against one political spectrum. Our new president just compared a couple of senators to Nazi’s. Is this moderate speech, could this incite violence against these men? Be careful when you allow the camels nose into the tent.
I too am very troubled by the progressive orthodoxy (the wokes) that are taking control of BigTech, BigMedia, and Academia. Nevertheless, to exert control over how they regulate speech would require new law and massive intervention by the Federal Gov’t. We probably don’t want that either. (First Amendment applies only to gov't, not anyone else).
It seems to me the better approach is for those with an interest in protecting speech to organize themselves for two purposes:
1) to establish a new technology corridor - circumventing BigTech - that exists for the purpose of protecting speech. Granted that is very hard, and would have to clear some other hurdles (like BigTech trying to shut it down with their patent monopoly, which interestingly creates a potential First Amendment infringement as the govt grants patents)
2) organize into a grassroots organization that commercially targets BigTech. In other words, a group that helps you and I band together for commercial boycotts as a check on BigTech harassment. Amazon and Apple in particular are vulnerable to large scale boycotts.
But before going down those roads, let’s wait a few weeks and see if Parler comes back online with BigTech. Parler is permitting some open incitements to violence and that is the major source of BigTech's complaint. Parler needs to clean that up.
because a few people have a lot of power and they're very politically biased. Race Riots - good.....Trump riots bad
whose to say they're not already monitoring and providing your data to the govt? they are! google's is in bed with the goverment big time and my theory is that it's a big part of why Page and Brin stepped away.
Frankly, you have no understanding of the constitution if you believe this.
If so you would support the repeal of NN. That package that was adopted during the Obama Administration made the Internet a utility that was highly regulated by the government - and pick winners and losers like Netflix (winner). Ever wonder why Obama got a 100 million w/Netflix. Seriously. Do you think that he is worth that much in content? No. But his ability to save them money via a regulatory body was.
There is also the fact that the Obama rules were drafted in privacy and not released to public until AFTER passage. SO much for transparency.
Don’t take up constitutional law, Norm.
Do those people use Twitter to plan or incite violence? If so, then yes, they should be taken down.
If Antifa is posting stuff on Twitter and YouTube then yes, they should be moderated. Both platforms have process to report and take down that stuff.
They all have TOS that customers need to follow.
I won’t say conservatives, but Trumpians have become a more dangerous threat to the US than the Ayatollah. I just watched them invade our capital.
You need to go read Orwell again. It’s a lot closer to what Trump was trying to pull off.
And again — this is the system that Trump’s FCC wanted.
FYI, they have been watching the Ayatollah’s account lately too. Nice to see he’s treated like Trump.
Twitter removes ‘misleading’ tweet from Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei
Twitter moved to block a tweet from Iran’s Supreme Leader after he cast doubt on the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines and called US- and UK-made vaccines “completely untrustworthy&#…nypost.com
That was some invasion... Almost as bad as the burning of cities all summer
You are TOTALLY missing my point. Since these are private companies if they don’t like your looks they can turn you away even if they control 90% of the market. If you have to turn to some fringe business to get what you want, so what? Now go drive 40 miles if you’re having a heart attack or your wife’s having an abruption.
Those health systems should have every right to turn you away just like the tech titans.
I was never a fan of Obama ..... i do think some form of NN laws should be in place, but again, that’s not what Trump’s position was.
Everyone likes to smugly point this out, but these Tech companies are becoming so big and essentially control all means of communication. It’s not a “if you don’t like it take your business elsewhere situation” they have monopolistic control
It is an open market. Parler is free to do business with whomever they choose... as are Apple and Google. Apple and Google choose not to do business with Parler. Sounds like it sucks to be Parler.
The first amendment doesn’t say you have the right to control your own audience. You can say what you want without government interference, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen, nor that anyone has to provide you a platform on which to speak.
I understand what the first amendment says and I understand this doesn’t violate it in rule.
So you're saying that ALL the people on Parler are Anarchists and/or plotting to overthrow the Government? It wasn't a matter of some accounts being shut down, it was the whole system that got axed. It's like the preamble for one Party control of the Government with all the silencing of dissenting views.
Hmmm? What other counties do we know where there is only one Party control? China, Russia, Cuba, Venezuela.
It's too funny that the people, who were distraught about Trump being a Dictator are willingly supporting a move to a Totalitarian Government. Hopefully, we won't see a REAL Dictatorship.
I don't know how I feel about 230, but it's definitely time to break up Apple, Google, Amazon, and Facebook.
let me add this as well- it was the democratic party in the past session of congress advocating for the break up of big tech companies. banning Parlor is helps bring the left back into their corner
Democrats call for Congress to rein in, break up Big Tech
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic lawmakers are calling for Congress to rein in Big Tech, possibly forcing Facebook, Google, Amazon and Apple to break up their businesses, while making it harder for them to acquire others and imposing new rules to safeguard competition...
apnews.com
Control all means of communication??? Really? I think you might be being a bit dramatic. How in the hell did we ever communicate before Facebook, Twitter, and Parler!?!??!
You mean the one that prevents the government from doing certain things? Or the one that prevents Apple from doing certain things?
And so do left leaning Constitutional scholars such as Johnathan Turley. It becomes, "someday they will come for you."
Remember a Bernie Bro shot up a softball field full of Republicans - obviously for political reasons. One can assume he was inspired by Bernie. Although I would say most likely to say because he was a nut. I don't think Bernie lost his access to social media despite an event that one of his campaign workers violently attacked Bernie's political opponents.
As long as Apple and Google control the definition of "violence and other dangerous activity", everything should be just fine......
I was unaware/unable to put that together. Cowboy Bob came up as a topic of conversation over the Holidays...Sammy T was another of my favorite Ch 4 personalities (along with CB and Janie).
that’s probably the best summary of this I have read. Thanks for posting.
US mail, rotary phones, and face to face.
Today it's with smart phones, over social media, and email.
All the those are controlled by a small handful of huge firms whose leaders are very biased politically.
it's not a freedom of speech thing, but might be a monopoly
Apparently, Parler is in the process of finding or acquiring new servers that will allow them to continue to function. It may take a few days though. Still may have trouble getting through the Apple/Google barrier though, which means no app access on most phones and tablets.
And no one has limited anyone's access to smart phones or email. So I guess we're still ok.
Nope. Not at all.
Parler was asked to put in moderation controls to address the anarchists/insurrectionists so the other dialogue could continue. They did not comply with an acceptable moderation plan.
