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No, the minions are people like you who lap up the constant stream of bile coming out of our mainstream media 24/7/365. You only seem to know one way to post on here - hyperbolically.

Yep, that’s me alright. I guess I should just look at everything through the Fox News angle huh? I mean the country is only falling to shit but It’s all fine, right? Quit being such a dumb little bitch, SD. You made a mistake with your vote in 2016. It’s okay to admit it.
 
a pandemic had been one of the few things i thought a centralized, federal government would be beneficial for. :(
I always think of a strong national defense relative to a centralized federal government. The Constitution speaks to it - “provide for a common defense”.

The truth is the Founding Fathers did not envision a strong “centralized, federal government” overall. They wanted the states to be able to self-determine and not have the federal gov’t dictate how to do things.
 
Yep, that’s me alright. I guess I should just look at everything through the Fox News angle huh? I mean the country is only falling to shit but It’s all fine, right? Quit being such a dumb little bitch, SD. You made a mistake with your vote in 2016. It’s okay to admit it.
No, I didn’t. HRC would have destroyed this country for good had she been elected. The country needed Trump to correct the excesses and malfeasance of the Obama Administration.

You are a whiny little bitch. Everyday you constantly carp about Trump. Your TDS is on full display. OK, we get it. You hate Trump. You hate those who dare to support him. He is YOUR President, whether you like it or not. He will be your President for another term, too.
 
No, I didn’t. HRC would have destroyed this country for good had she been elected. The country needed Trump to correct the excesses and malfeasance of the Obama Administration.

You are a whiny little bitch. Everyday you constantly carp about Trump. Your TDS is on full display. OK, we get it. You hate Trump. You hate those who dare to support him. He is YOUR President, whether you like it or not. He will be your President for another term, too.

You know, he might win again, SD, you’re right. Because there are a lot of people who are equally as stupid, gullible and downright terrible as you are. Which is a really sad indictment on this country.

But if he loses, and I know you know there’s a strong chance of that, then it will be great to see folks like you crawl back under the rock you came from.

This country is in complete free fall and the best you have is “But Hillary “. I mean Jfc how sad and pathetic is it that nearly four years later that’s all you have.
 
You know, he might win again, SD, you’re right. Because there are a lot of people who are equally as stupid, gullible and downright terrible as you are. Which is a really sad indictment on this country.

But if he loses, and I know you know there’s a strong chance of that, then it will be great to see folks like you crawl back under the rock you came from.

This country is in complete free fall and the best you have is “But Hillary “. I mean Jfc how sad and pathetic is it that nearly four years later that’s all you have.
Here’s your problem, jackwad, you call everyone you disagree with “stupid, gullible, and downright terrible”. Yeah, that’s really going to convince people you’re evenhanded and free thinking. Truth is, you’re a complete partisan hack who leans way left.

You subscribe to the HRC view of the world, who calls anyone she disagrees with stance-wise, “deplorable” and “irredeemable”. You’re just so intelligent, so woke, so erudite - so smug, so condescending, so jaded, so blinded by hate - that you can’t possibly understand why or allow for anyone to see things differently from you. Trump was elected as a reaction to 8 years of the Obama administration. You’ll say that’s “racist.” No, I’ll say it’s strictly due to his policies, which were horrible. Obama had a chance to unite the country but instead divided it further than it ever had been. Truth is, Trump has done the same in many ways.
 
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Here’s your problem, jackwad, you call everyone you disagree with “stupid, gullible, and downright terrible”. Yeah, that’s really going to convince people you’re evenhanded and free thinking. Truth is, you’re a complete partisan hack who leans way left.

You subscribe to the HRC view of the world, who calls she disagrees with stance-wise, “deplorable” and “irredeemable”. You’re just so intelligent, so woke, so erudite - so smug, so condescending, so jaded, so blinded by hate - that you can’t possibly understand why or allow for anyone to see things differently from you. Trump was elected as a reaction to 8 years of the Obama administration. You’ll say that’s “racist.” No, I’ll say it’s strictly due to his policies, which were horrible. Obama had a chance to unite the country but instead divided it further than it ever had been. Truth is, Trump has done same.

You’re right, SD, I prefer people who don’t embarrass my country every day. Who don’t brag about acing a basic cognitive test. Who actually give a shit that we are in a pandemic and have lost 130k people and counting, and who don’t lie with every sentence that comes out of his mouth. God forbid I would want someone to clear the lowest bar possible and not still trip over it.

And you just can’t help but keep going back to the Obama/Hillary well. You just can’t help it because you truly have nothing else to go back to. It’s okay, SD. If I were that desperate I guess that’s what I’d do too.

Oh and he’s golfing today. Again. He’s spent more than a YEAR of his presidency golfing. During a pandemic. And an economic crisis. But yeah, keep whining about Hillary and Obama, SD. Tell me that Trump is doing this phenomenal job while managing to spend 25% of his presidency squeezing his fat ass into a golf shirt and freely spending your money to hit golf balls. Is that what you voted for? You’ve been scammed, dude. You’re just too dumb to see it. Don the con tells you he represents you but would no sooner screw your wife and run you over with his golf cart, and all you would do is ask for an autograph on your Made in China MAGA hat.
 
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...The truth is the Founding Fathers did not envision a strong “centralized, federal government” overall. They wanted the states to be able to self-determine and not have the federal gov’t dictate how to do things.
I don't think that I would fully agree with that assertion. The Federalists, generally led by Alexander Hamilton, were quite supportive of a strong centralized government and were very difficult sells in relation to even the Bill of Rights
 
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I don't think that I would fully agree with that assertion. The Federalists, generally led by Alexander Hamilton, were quite supportive of a strong centralized government and were very difficult sells in relation to even the Bill of Rights
Yes, and Hamilton’s view of things did not prevail in the end. He was overridden by his colleagues. Generally, the Founding Fathers got it right.
 
You’re right, SD, I prefer people who don’t embarrass my country every day. Who don’t brag about acing a basic cognitive test. Who actually give a shit that we are in a pandemic and have lost 130k people and counting, and who don’t lie with every sentence that comes out of his mouth. God forbid I would want someone to clear the lowest bar possible and not still trip over it.

And you just can’t help but keep going back to the Obama/Hillary well. You just can’t help it because you truly have nothing else to go back to. It’s okay, SD. If I were that desperate I guess that’s what I’d do too.

Oh and he’s golfing today. Again. He’s spent more than a YEAR of his presidency golfing. During a pandemic. And an economic crisis. But yeah, keep whining about Hillary and Obama, SD. Tell me that Trump is doing this phenomenal job while managing to spend 25% of his presidency squeezing his fat ass into a golf shirt and freely spending your money to hit golf balls. Is that what you voted for? You’ve been scammed, dude. You’re just too dumb to see it. Don the con tells you he represents you but would no sooner screw your wife and run you over with his golf cart, and all you would do is ask for an autograph on your Made in China MAGA hat.
Your narrative is bullshit. Obama golfed regularly. Obama was an embarrassment. His leading from behind, giving billions of dollars to Iran without Congressional approval, gun running with Mexico (guns used to kill American citizens), feckless “leadership” in Iran and Syria, Benghazi, feckless “leadership” w.r.t. Islamic terrorism, saying things like “you didn’t build that”, “they cling to their guns and their religion”, “if you want to keep your insurance you can”, “the average family will SAVE $2,500 a year with my plan”, stoking racial tensions at every turn, his Administration’s obvious malfeasance with respect to the Trump campaign and the early months of his administration, kowtowing to the Chinese, doing his world apology tour.......

You are willfully ignorant and blind. Your constant screeching is really getting old. Your perpetual rage machine never stops running. Trump is in no way perfect. Neither was Obama. Trump is divisive. So was Obama. They go about things in very different ways.
 
Your narrative is bullshit. Obama golfed regularly. Obama was an embarrassment. His leading from behind, giving billions of dollars to Iran without Congressional approval, gun running with Mexico (guns used to kill American citizens), feckless “leadership” in Iran and Syria, Benghazi, feckless “leadership” w.r.t. Islamic terrorism, saying things like “you didn’t build that”, “they cling to their guns and their religion”, “if you want to keep your insurance you can”, “the average family will SAVE $2,500 a year with my plan”, stoking racial tensions at every turn, his Administration’s obvious malfeasance with respect to the Trump campaign and the early months of his administration, kowtowing to the Chinese, doing his world apology tour.......

You are willfully ignorant and blind. Your constant screeching is really getting old. Your perpetual rage machine never stops running. Trump is in no way perfect. Neither was Obama. Trump is divisive. So was Obama. They go about things in very different ways.

I stopped reading after the billions of dollars to Iran comment because that has been that’s been fact checked into oblivion, and you’re wrong. I’m sorry you’re so easily duped, SD. It’s rather embarrassing.
 
I stopped reading after the billions of dollars to Iran comment because that has been that’s been fact checked into oblivion, and you’re wrong. I’m sorry you’re so easily duped, SD. It’s rather embarrassing.

you really should read the whole thing. It’s a melting snowflake tirade full of half/non truths and enough crap to overwhelm the west Lafayette sewage treatment plant.
 
Your narrative is bullshit. Obama golfed regularly. Obama was an embarrassment. His leading from behind, giving billions of dollars to Iran without Congressional approval, gun running with Mexico (guns used to kill American citizens), feckless “leadership” in Iran and Syria, Benghazi, feckless “leadership” w.r.t. Islamic terrorism, saying things like “you didn’t build that”, “they cling to their guns and their religion”, “if you want to keep your insurance you can”, “the average family will SAVE $2,500 a year with my plan”, stoking racial tensions at every turn, his Administration’s obvious malfeasance with respect to the Trump campaign and the early months of his administration, kowtowing to the Chinese, doing his world apology tour.......

You are willfully ignorant and blind. Your constant screeching is really getting old. Your perpetual rage machine never stops running. Trump is in no way perfect. Neither was Obama. Trump is divisive. So was Obama. They go about things in very different ways.
Lol. Do you repeat all that shit from memory or do you keep a script?

The world is changing pal.......and that scares the living hell out of you and people like you. You have no solutions that don't involve standing still.......or going backwards. All you can have left is fearmongering about the future.......BLM wants to erase history and the Dems will turn our beloved democracy into a socialist hell.

Makeup all the comparisons between trump and Obama to make yourself feel better. The American people are waking up. It's you that are willfully ignorant and blind. Tell us again how Trump is going to win by a bigger margin than last time.

When you said earlier......not your first time.....that Obama had a chance to bring this country together and failed says it all. Heard it many times. As the first black president, it should have been easy for him right? He could have just snapped his fingers and 400 years of history goes away. The reality is, the election of a black man drove us apart......cause some just couldn't deal with it.
 
you really should read the whole thing. It’s a melting snowflake tirade full of half/non truths and enough crap to overwhelm the west Lafayette sewage treatment plant.

I will take your word for it, especially given that SDs mind is the equivalent of the West Lafayette sewage treatment plant.
 
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Yes, and Hamilton’s view of things did not prevail in the end. He was overridden by his colleagues. Generally, the Founding Fathers got it right.
And lo, SD did descend down from on high to once again exclaim, “Generally, the Founding Fathers got it right,” and the peasants exalted
 
Yes, and Hamilton’s view of things did not prevail in the end. He was overridden by his colleagues. Generally, the Founding Fathers got it right.
Actually, Hamilton's views were greatly implemented. The Federalists were the supporters of enacting the Constitution while the Anti-Federalists were, by and large, more attuned to the Articles of Confederation philosophical bent.
 
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Lol. Do you repeat all that shit from memory or do you keep a script?

The world is changing pal.......and that scares the living hell out of you and people like you. You have no solutions that don't involve standing still.......or going backwards. All you can have left is fearmongering about the future.......BLM wants to erase history and the Dems will turn our beloved democracy into a socialist hell.

Makeup all the comparisons between trump and Obama to make yourself feel better. The American people are waking up. It's you that are willfully ignorant and blind. Tell us again how Trump is going to win by a bigger margin than last time.

When you said earlier......not your first time.....that Obama had a chance to bring this country together and failed says it all. Heard it many times. As the first black president, it should have been easy for him right? He could have just snapped his fingers and 400 years of history goes away. The reality is, the election of a black man drove us apart......cause some just couldn't deal with it.
I said by more Electoral College votes, not popular votes.

So your bottom line is that I and people who believe the same are racist, Bob? That’s what the Progressives always fall back to. It’s an easy and frankly lazy answer. If Obama had actually brought the country together, it would have been a good thing. I was hoping he’d do that - instead he divided the country more than it already was, starting with Clinton and Gingrich. Instead Obama said, “we won, you lost, get over it.” “Elections have consequences”.
 
Actually, Hamilton's views were greatly implemented. The Federalists were the supporters of enacting the Constitution while the Anti-Federalists were, by and large, more attuned to the Articles of Confederation philosophical bent.
You said before he wanted a strong federal government, right? Did he get that?
 
Lol. Do you repeat all that shit from memory or do you keep a script?

The world is changing pal.......and that scares the living hell out of you and people like you. You have no solutions that don't involve standing still.......or going backwards. All you can have left is fearmongering about the future.......BLM wants to erase history and the Dems will turn our beloved democracy into a socialist hell.

Makeup all the comparisons between trump and Obama to make yourself feel better. The American people are waking up. It's you that are willfully ignorant and blind. Tell us again how Trump is going to win by a bigger margin than last time.

When you said earlier......not your first time.....that Obama had a chance to bring this country together and failed says it all. Heard it many times. As the first black president, it should have been easy for him right? He could have just snapped his fingers and 400 years of history goes away. The reality is, the election of a black man drove us apart......cause some just couldn't deal with it.
Wow Bob, didn’t realize you were such an erudite and woke white man.
 
I said by more Electoral College votes, not popular votes.

So your bottom line is that I and people who believe the same are racist, Bob? That’s what the Progressives always fall back to. It’s an easy and frankly lazy answer. If Obama had actually brought the country together, it would have been a good thing. I was hoping he’d do that - instead he divided the country more than it already was, starting with Clinton and Gingrich. Instead Obama said, “we won, you lost, get over it.” “Elections have consequences”.
I don't know whether you're racist or not.
I do know expecting Obama to bring the country together because.......he's black?........is that your reasoning?...........is a ludicrous expectation based on the color of his skin and shows a lack of understanding of where we were/are on race in this country. I assume you took something away from the Floyd protests and the aftermath other than statues.

I have been doing a lot of reading lately. I have learned that Obama didn't initially take the position you ascribed to him, he was working across party lines and it was scaring the hell out of GOP leaders. They were concerned if he continued it would boost his popularity even more and hurt their chances going forward. Unfortunately he did change direction, as you said.

But that has little to do with bringing the country together.......at least on race or issues. There was still FOX and McConnell and a significant part of the country against him.....be it on issues or race or just plain partisanship.
 
I don't know whether you're racist or not.
I do know expecting Obama to bring the country together because.......he's black?........is that your reasoning?...........is a ludicrous expectation based on the color of his skin and shows a lack of understanding of where we were/are on race in this country. I assume you took something away from the Floyd protests and the aftermath other than statues.

I have been doing a lot of reading lately. I have learned that Obama didn't initially take the position you ascribed to him, he was working across party lines and it was scaring the hell out of GOP leaders. They were concerned if he continued it would boost his popularity even more and hurt their chances going forward. Unfortunately he did change direction, as you said.

But that has little to do with bringing the country together.......at least on race or issues. There was still FOX and McConnell and a significant part of the country against him.....be it on issues or race or just plain partisanship.
That dog don’t hunt, Bob. Shortly after Obama got in office he said something like, “we won, you lost, get over it”. A little later it was “Elections have consequences.”

He felt he had a mandate to make sweeping changes - Obamacare anyone? That was not bipartisan. Not one R voted for it. It was jammed through at Obama’s urging. I don’t where you got that narrative, but it doesn’t square with history (what actually happened).
 
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That dog don’t hunt, Bob. Shortly after Obama got in office he said something like, “we won, you lost, get over it”. A little later it was “Elections have consequences.”

He felt he had a mandate to make sweeping changes - Obamacare anyone? That was not bipartisan. Not one R voted for it. It was jammed through at Obama’s urging. I don’t where you got that narrative, but it doesn’t square with history (what actually happened).
Not to go too far off the ORIGINAL point, but stop acting like McConnell and Co were sitting there ready to work with Obama. That's BS and you know it. Would you like some quotes?

I agreed that Obama went off and did his own thing. Did you notice that? That doesn't mean the other side was willing to work with him.

Back to the original point, stop laying the responsibility for bring the nation together at Obama's feet. Did you put the same responsibility on Trump or any other president? Or was that job unique to Obama?
 
Not to go too far off the ORIGINAL point, but stop acting like McConnell and Co were sitting there ready to work with Obama. That's BS and you know it. Would you like some quotes?

I agreed that Obama went off and did his own thing. Did you notice that? That doesn't mean the other side was willing to work with him.

Back to the original point, stop laying the responsibility for bring the nation together at Obama's feet. Did you put the same responsibility on Trump or any other president? Or was that job unique to Obama?
Bob, I actually agree with you. It's become political suicide for either side to work together. It's become expedient for them to simply place blame on the person who temporarily holds the office of President knowing that nearly all of them can remain in Congress for decades. Actually solving major issues like immigration or healthcare wouldn't be helpful since they enjoy having these wedge issues to divide us up with each and every election.
 
Lol. Do you repeat all that shit from memory or do you keep a script?

The world is changing pal.......and that scares the living hell out of you and people like you. You have no solutions that don't involve standing still.......or going backwards. All you can have left is fearmongering about the future.......BLM wants to erase history and the Dems will turn our beloved democracy into a socialist hell.

Makeup all the comparisons between trump and Obama to make yourself feel better. The American people are waking up. It's you that are willfully ignorant and blind. Tell us again how Trump is going to win by a bigger margin than last time.

When you said earlier......not your first time.....that Obama had a chance to bring this country together and failed says it all. Heard it many times. As the first black president, it should have been easy for him right? He could have just snapped his fingers and 400 years of history goes away. The reality is, the election of a black man drove us apart......cause some just couldn't deal with it.
The narrative that our country is full of systemic racism simply isn't true. Kamala Harris lost big in the Iowa primary and claimed racism for her loss since Iowa is >90% white while leaving out the fact that Obama won big there in 2008. I'm white and I enthusiastically voted for him in 2008 as I preferred him over Bush and liked his message of hope and change. Unfortunately what we ended up with was a man who would present a different narrative depending on who he was speaking to.
 
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Not to go too far off the ORIGINAL point, but stop acting like McConnell and Co were sitting there ready to work with Obama. That's BS and you know it. Would you like some quotes?

I agreed that Obama went off and did his own thing. Did you notice that? That doesn't mean the other side was willing to work with him.

Back to the original point, stop laying the responsibility for bring the nation together at Obama's feet. Did you put the same responsibility on Trump or any other president? Or was that job unique to Obama?
I never said Trump tried to bring the nation together. Part of Obama’s spiel during the 2008 campaign was “unity”. That’s not what we got.
 
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The reality is, the election of a black man drove us apart......cause some just couldn't deal with it.
Such a bullshit statement. You have literally zero proof that the divisiveness that widened in the country was due to the color of his skin. I liked the guy from the standpoint that he was clear speaking and smooth. However, his policies were trash. He lied a lot. For arguments sake, I'll say Trump lies more, but what Trump lies about are small things. Obama lied about the big things.

This reminds me of an old Chris Rock comedy skit where he said, "Men lie the most, but women tell the biggest lies. A man will say 'I was at Tony's house'. A woman will say 'It's your baby!'" Trump is the man in this analogy and Obama is the woman. Here comes the attacks now that I "called Obama a woman". All politicians lie. The Left tells the biggest lies IMHO. If you can't see that for what it is, then you're letting the social media propaganda machine blind you.

So it comes down to who you want to vote for. The one who lies the most or the one that tells the biggest lies. I have yet seen Trump tell a big lie in regards to policy that he's enacted.
 
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The biggest lie I have heard in four years, " I will build the wall and Mexico will pay for it." That's a major lie in my opinion.
Not getting a campaign promise to happen is a big lie? Then line up every single presidential candidate ever against the wall and shoot them for all of the unfulfilled campaign promises. When I was talking about lies, I was talking about policy enacted or just lies about what happened while in office, not a campaign promises.

Considering that half of that statement is happening, that's not much of a lie. What I haven't followed enough is how the United States Mexico Canada agreement is effecting things. It was talked about that a trade deal would be how "Mexico will pay for it". So I'd have to see how the flow of money was effected by that deal.
 
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I guess it depends on one's perspective.
Exactly, and that's what the enrage machine wants you to do. See it from their perspective.

What do you think the Left would do/say if Trump and the Republicans tries to pass a bill that would change our lives drastically, while having members of Congress come out and say "well we have to pass it to see what's in it"? Then ram the bill down the throats of America with zero votes from the Democrats? Only to find out that most of what they claimed would happen was the complete opposite.
 
I never said Trump tried to bring the nation together. Part of Obama’s spiel during the 2008 campaign was “unity”. That’s not what we got.
Says it all.
Was the spiel a promise? It wasn't "we need to" or I want to"? You would have to bring a quote. Even if he did, you're saying "he promised to unify our country and didn't so he's responsible for what we have"?
So many questions. How would a president unify 330 million people? Who gets to decide if we are unified? What if some people don't want to be unified? ......
 
Such a bullshit statement. You have literally zero proof that the divisiveness that widened in the country was due to the color of his skin. I liked the guy from the standpoint that he was clear speaking and smooth. However, his policies were trash. He lied a lot. For arguments sake, I'll say Trump lies more, but what Trump lies about are small things. Obama lied about the big things.

This reminds me of an old Chris Rock comedy skit where he said, "Men lie the most, but women tell the biggest lies. A man will say 'I was at Tony's house'. A woman will say 'It's your baby!'" Trump is the man in this analogy and Obama is the woman. Here comes the attacks now that I "called Obama a woman". All politicians lie. The Left tells the biggest lies IMHO. If you can't see that for what it is, then you're letting the social media propaganda machine blind you.

So it comes down to who you want to vote for. The one who lies the most or the one that tells the biggest lies. I have yet seen Trump tell a big lie in regards to policy that he's enacted.
Of course I have no proof. There's no way to prove something like that. It's just an opinion.

Lol. I can't believe we've gotten to the point where trumpers are parsing between lies. Well, I guess it was inevitable.
 
Exactly, and that's what the enrage machine wants you to do. See it from their perspective.

What do you think the Left would do/say if Trump and the Republicans tries to pass a bill that would change our lives drastically, while having members of Congress come out and say "well we have to pass it to see what's in it"? Then ram the bill down the throats of America with zero votes from the Democrats? Only to find out that most of what they claimed would happen was the complete opposite.
It’s really not that hard to look up the actual facts of how Obamacare was passed. Better to be knowledgeable than go along with false premises. I absolutely love the conflict from your fist section to the 2nd section. Maybe you should look up the facts instead of listening to the right wing enrage machine?
 
Says it all.
Was the spiel a promise? It wasn't "we need to" or I want to"? You would have to bring a quote. Even if he did, you're saying "he promised to unify our country and didn't so he's responsible for what we have"?
So many questions. How would a president unify 330 million people? Who gets to decide if we are unified? What if some people don't want to be unified? ......
This describes so many people on here it's not funny.
 
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It’s really not that hard to look up the actual facts of how Obamacare was passed. Better to be knowledgeable than go along with false premises. I absolutely love the conflict from your fist section to the 2nd section. Maybe you should look up the facts instead of listening to the right wing enrage machine?
Conflict from first section to the next? What are you talking about?

What exactly did I get wrong? It was a hypothetical based on some facts that happened over the ACA.
 
Conflict from first section to the next? What are you talking about?

What exactly did I get wrong? It was a hypothetical based on some facts that happened over the ACA.
You mention an enrage machine getting people to see things from their perspective, then parroted false premises about Obamacare that the enrage machine made you believe.
 
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