Morton

[PurduePete98]

Irrespective of when you think that's really bad, since when is the Nike circuit "high school competition"? It is Elite AAU basketball

Last time I checked, the EYBL was made up of high school players... lol.

They are generally really good high school players, but that level of competition is nothing compared to what he will face in the Big Ten.

He’s going to be a good player in time. I don’t think it will be this year.

 

[AAE09]

The thread you linked is of a guy literally saying he is a Nojel clone haha.

Real GM gets their stats submitted by high school coaches and parents.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I haven’t seen anything from him to expect he will be better than the other 5 guards. For that reason, I think he will have limited playing time (ie. 10-15 mpg).

Last time I checked, the EYBL was made up of high school players... lol.

They are generally really good high school players, but that level of competition is nothing compared to what he will face in the Big Ten.

He’s going to be a good player in time. I don’t think it will be this year.

Nah... Admit that you got confused. You weren't using high school competition on a technicality when you were trying to make a point.

 

[PurduePete98]

Nah... Admit that you got confused. You weren't using high school competition on a technicality when you were trying to make a point.

Lol what? What did I get confused on exactly? Nike EYBL is a HIGH SCHOOL AAU league.

I’m legitimately shocked that you don’t think Morton was playing high schoolers during those AAU events.

 

[Schnelk]

Damn you 98. Quit pissing in everybody's cheerios.

 

[Purdue85]

How is being realistic about a player’s abilities talking down about them? Stating that a freshman guard isn’t as good offensively as the other 5 guards on the team is not degrading that guard.

In fact, the poster above stating that Morton was equally as good offensively as Hunter or IT would be the closest thing to knocking Purdue players in this thread.

Well, you made your point quite a long time ago.

Being so persistent about it smacks of "talking down". IMHO, of course.

 

[meenie]

Morton won like four games on last second threes. Three were in the playoffs. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[PurduePete98]

Well, you made your point quite a long time ago.

Being so persistent about it smacks of "talking down". IMHO, of course.

So the others can continue to post on the subject, just not me?

 

[PurduePete98]

Morton won like four games on last second threes. Three were in the playoffs. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Stats don’t lie. What are your expectations for Morton’s stats this year? I’m going to guess < 4 ppg, < 3 rpg, < 2 apg, < 30% 3pt, and < 40% FG. I do think he will shoot better than 75% from the line and probably have an ATO over 2.

Since I don’t know what I’m talking about, surely you disagree with the above stats.

 

[tenwest]

I just hope Mrs. Morton doesn’t ever come here.

 

[mathboy]

I’ve got no issue with 98 defending his position. He has come at the issue with statistics to back it up. Now, I don’t like what he’s been saying, but he has a good point. I am guessing he might be on target for this Freshman year. 98 has also said he expects Morton to improve and become a very good player for Purdue. So, I can’t argue about that.

we have all seen the train wreak which occurs regularly down south when the next great high school phenom is expected to lead the team to uncountable victories. Freshmen just struggle adjusting to the college game.

 

[Purdue85]

So the others can continue to post on the subject, just not me?

why so sensitive?

I don't care if you continue to post, or not.

Like you, I was offering a point of view. Disregard it, if you like. No big deal.

Have a great weekend.

 

[PurduePete98]

why so sensitive?

I don't care if you continue to post, or not.

Like you, I was offering a point of view. Disregard it, if you like. No big deal.

Have a great weekend.

You too.

 

[PurduePete98]

I’ve got no issue with 98 defending his position. He has come at the issue with statistics to back it up. Now, I don’t like what he’s been saying, but he has a good point. I am guessing he might be on target for this Freshman year. 98 has also said he expects Morton to improve and become a very good player for Purdue. So, I can’t argue about that.

we have all seen the train wreak which occurs regularly down south when the next great high school phenom is expected to lead the team to uncountable victories. Freshmen just struggle adjusting to the college game.

This is pretty much my point. There is nothing more annoying than IU fans hyping up every freshman recruit like they are going to be the savior of their program right away. I think as Purdue fans we can be more realistic than that. I have zero concerns with Morton's ability or impact in the long run. Just trying to be realistic about his freshman year.

 

[Do Dah Day]

LOL- are you speaking from experience DDD??

I'll go check my little red book.

 

[Do Dah Day]

Somehow think Ethan will find a way to contribute:
23.4 POINTS PER GAME
13.0 REBOUNDS PER GAME
8.3 ASSISTS PER GAME
2.2 STEALS PER GAME
2019 - 2020 PENNSYLVANIA
GATORADE BOYS BASKETBALL
PLAYER OF THE YEAR

the bottom line to me is that he is a WINNER. He showed his grit and drive in the state finals the last two years. Honestly --- that's the single thing I want the most from him --- gritty leadership.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

How is being realistic about a player’s abilities talking down about them? Stating that a freshman guard isn’t as good offensively as the other 5 guards on the team is not degrading that guard.

In fact, the poster above stating that Morton was equally as good offensively as Hunter or IT would be the closest thing to knocking Purdue players in this thread.

If I was to say Edey won't be as good of a shooter as carsen that would be considered "talking down " a recruit according to some on here. Some people get way too emotional if you don't heap overwhelming praise on every purdue player. The funniest part was watching some people's attitude change before and after nojel left Purdue.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I'll go check my little red book.

Ring a ding ding......

 

[mathboy]

the bottom line to me is that he is a WINNER. He showed his grit and drive in the state finals the last two years. Honestly --- that's the single thing I want the most from him --- gritty leadership.

Morton might be better compared to Kremer that no-jel. His game might translate better through grit and leadership. I think the team this year will have a spark that seemed missing last year. Not just from Morton. I expect IT and Hunter to be more vocal on the court.

 

[HarrysPostGame13]

Morton will be a very special player for Purdue. No doubt about it. We have a lot to be excited about with the young guys (Newman, Ivey, Gillis). I saw a picture on Mason's twitter and it looks like he's been a gym rat which is awesome. He'll need it in the Big Ten.

 

[Poprudy]

If I was to say Edey won't be as good of a shooter as carsen that would be considered "talking down " a recruit according to some on here. Some people get way too emotional if you don't heap overwhelming praise on every purdue player. The funniest part was watching some people's attitude change before and after nojel left Purdue.

Probably not, but was CE a great shooter in AAU? I think we all can agree he was a great pick up. Let's get back to thinking about "if" we have a season and how great this team's future looks.

 

[Purdue85]

You too.

Me too.

 

[Tony79]

Anything said on here that compares Morton to NE or Kramer is perhaps as absurd as anything EVER posted on here.

This whole Morton can’t shoot OCD mantra from PP is just nuts. He shot 81% from the line over four years. The dude played w a bunch of ball hogs on one AAU stretch and all of a sudden he “could not shoot.” NE is perhaps the worst shooter to ever start at PU in the now 54 years I’ve been a fan. Morton has more offensive instincts in his pinky than NE has or will ever have. He’ll go down as an all time great here. I also don’t get the Kramer reference at all.
I guess a couple of people on here watch a different sport than me. With our current guard cadre he’ll rarely have to guard the other team’s PG. IT, Hunter or Ivey can handle that. ZERO concern there. Again when Morton’s in the game with TW, you put IT, Hunter, Ivey, Sasha out there and you’ll see more wide open 3’s than ever.

 

[mathboy]

Anything said on here that compares Morton to NE or Kramer is perhaps as absurd as anything EVER posted on here.

This whole Morton can’t shoot OCD mantra from PP is just nuts. He shot 81% from the line over four years. The dude played w a bunch of ball hogs on one AAU stretch and all of a sudden he “could not shoot.” NE is perhaps the worst shooter to ever start at PU in the now 54 years I’ve been a fan. Morton has more offensive instincts in his pinky than NE has or will ever have. He’ll go down as an all time great here. I also don’t get the Kramer reference at all.
I guess a couple of people on here watch a different sport than me. With our current guard cadre he’ll rarely have to guard the other team’s PG. IT, Hunter or Ivey can handle that. ZERO concern there. Again when Morton’s in the game with TW, you put IT, Hunter, Ivey, Sasha out there and you’ll see more wide open 3’s than ever.

TheKremer reference was toward his grit and leadership. Nothing more implied.

 

[boilernuke]

TheKremer reference was toward his grit and leadership. Nothing more implied.

Yes, it was more about his saltiness.

 

[PurduePete98]

Anything said on here that compares Morton to NE or Kramer is perhaps as absurd as anything EVER posted on here.

This whole Morton can’t shoot OCD mantra from PP is just nuts. He shot 81% from the line over four years. The dude played w a bunch of ball hogs on one AAU stretch and all of a sudden he “could not shoot.” NE is perhaps the worst shooter to ever start at PU in the now 54 years I’ve been a fan. Morton has more offensive instincts in his pinky than NE has or will ever have. He’ll go down as an all time great here. I also don’t get the Kramer reference at all.
I guess a couple of people on here watch a different sport than me. With our current guard cadre he’ll rarely have to guard the other team’s PG. IT, Hunter or Ivey can handle that. ZERO concern there. Again when Morton’s in the game with TW, you put IT, Hunter, Ivey, Sasha out there and you’ll see more wide open 3’s than ever.

Free throw percentage has nothing to do with shooting 3s. Morton is a good free throw shooter. No one has ever argued he wasn’t. He is a below average 3pt shooter at this stage. That’s blatantly obvious for anyone who has seen him play.

 

[Purdue85]

Free throw percentage has nothing to do with shooting 3s. Morton is a good free throw shooter. No one has ever argued he wasn’t. He is a below average 3pt shooter at this stage. That’s blatantly obvious for anyone who has seen him play.

 

[meenie]

I have seen him bury three game winning threes to win tournament games. I guess he can only hit threes when he has a lot of pressure on him, not when he is the fourth option on a team full of chuckers

 

[bonefish1]

TheKremer reference was toward his grit and leadership. Nothing more implied.

OK, that's good....Kramer was a good leader, very good defender, played with grit and a chip on his shoulder, but an offensive liability. I doubt he'd be recruited by Painter today.

 

[PurdueDave]

OK, that's good....Kramer was a good leader, very good defender, played with grit and a chip on his shoulder, but an offensive liability. I doubt he'd be recruited by Painter today.

What?

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

OK, that's good....Kramer was a good leader, very good defender, played with grit and a chip on his shoulder, but an offensive liability. I doubt he'd be recruited by Painter today.

Goodness gracious, Lenny.....just when it appeared you may have turned from the Dark Side.....

Ok...back to our regularly scheduled late summer activities.....

 

[PurduePete98]

What?

Goodness gracious, Lenny.....just when it appeared you may have turned from the Dark Side.....

Ok...back to our regularly scheduled late summer activities.....

I believe @bonefish1 's point was Kramer was a lower end recruit (Unranked 3* by Rivals and no ranking from 247 or ESPN), and our current level of recruiting is above that type of recruit. I don't believe he was saying that Painter wouldn't take Kramer again knowing what he accomplished at Purdue.

 

[bonefish1]

I believe @bonefish1 's point was Kramer was a lower end recruit (Unranked 3* by Rivals and no ranking from 247 or ESPN), and our current level of recruiting is above that type of recruit. I don't believe he was saying that Painter wouldn't take Kramer again knowing what he accomplished at Purdue.

that's partially true because hindsight is 20/20. But, the fact is, Kramer was pretty much a one sided player. He was basically Rafeal Davis, but with a worse jumper.
He just wasn't an offensive threat with any consistency.

I think Painter now believes you have to get offensive production from all 5 positions (Eastern was an outlier) and you can't have a solely defensive specialist who's not a threat to score or hit open jumpers.

 

[PurdueDave]

I believe @bonefish1 's point was Kramer was a lower end recruit (Unranked 3* by Rivals and no ranking from 247 or ESPN), and our current level of recruiting is above that type of recruit. I don't believe he was saying that Painter wouldn't take Kramer again knowing what he accomplished at Purdue.

I sure hope that's what he's saying

 

[bonefish1]

I sure hope that's what he's saying

I liked Kramer, but he wasn't an offensive threat. Teams were really excited if he decided to take jump shots.

 

[lbodel]

I liked Kramer, but he wasn't an offensive threat. Teams were really excited if he decided to take jump shots.

Yes, but just like with any other player, that was on Kramer when it comes to knowing strengths. Kramer had plenty of games where he produced well offensively. He certainly wasn't the guy we looked for when it came to offense. But 98% of teams do not have 5 guys on the court that all produce well offensively. This keeps coming up where people on this board seem to think every player should average double digit scoring - that's not the case.

His defense also led to offense plenty of times.

Like many players, there were opponents he was better suited for than others - whether he could take advantage of pressure defense more, or if he could overpower those who were guarding him to get by and drive. Or simply if teams could take away our OTHER scoring threats, it put more pressure on Kramer.

It's easy to pick on Kramer, but he's a somewhat less talented player than most others. We wouldn't want Swanigan to be taking a bunch of outside shots - teams would have loved that. There were certain teams that someone like Vince Edwards struggled to be productive against -- particularly against someone bigger. At the end of the day, most college players have some sort of major weakness.

 

[PurduePete98]

Yes, but just like with any other player, that was on Kramer when it comes to knowing strengths. Kramer had plenty of games where he produced well offensively. He certainly wasn't the guy we looked for when it came to offense. But 98% of teams do not have 5 guys on the court that all produce well offensively. This keeps coming up where people on this board seem to think every player should average double digit scoring - that's not the case.

His defense also led to offense plenty of times.

Like many players, there were opponents he was better suited for than others - whether he could take advantage of pressure defense more, or if he could overpower those who were guarding him to get by and drive. Or simply if teams could take away our OTHER scoring threats, it put more pressure on Kramer.

It's easy to pick on Kramer, but he's a somewhat less talented player than most others. We wouldn't want Swanigan to be taking a bunch of outside shots - teams would have loved that. There were certain teams that someone like Vince Edwards struggled to be productive against -- particularly against someone bigger. At the end of the day, most college players have some sort of major weakness.

I don't think I've seen anyone suggest every player should average double digits. That's not at all realistic.

 

[lbodel]

I don't think I've seen anyone suggest every player should average double digits. That's not at all realistic.

The irony is not lost on me that you just said that in this thread. Is it a direct quote "double digits per game" - no. But you yourself said in this thread every single player should be an offensive threat. Is an offensive threat to you someone who scores 5 points? Or someone who just sacrifices their own offensive threat for the betterment of others?

 

[PurduePete98]

The irony is not lost on me that you just said that in this thread. Is it a direct quote "double digits per game" - no. But you yourself said in this thread every single player should be an offensive threat. Is an offensive threat to you someone who averages 5 points a game?

I never once said everyone on the court needs to average double digits a game. You don't have to average double digits to be an offensive threat. Last year we only had two players on the team average double digits, yet we had many offensive threats. Sasha, Haarms, IT, EB, and Proctor were all capable offensively. Wheeler and Nojel were not. That allowed teams to sag off them when they were on the court.

I'm not sure how you equate "offensive threat" with "double digit scorer". An offensive threat is someone other teams need to be aware of. I'm sure the scouting report for Wheeler and Nojel were let them shoot. IT/EB were capable from 3, so the game plan would not be to let them shoot.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I believe @bonefish1 's point was Kramer was a lower end recruit (Unranked 3* by Rivals and no ranking from 247 or ESPN), and our current level of recruiting is above that type of recruit. I don't believe he was saying that Painter wouldn't take Kramer again knowing what he accomplished at Purdue.

I liked Kramer, but he wasn't an offensive threat. Teams were really excited if he decided to take jump shots.

That's a big caveat Lenny didn't mention, and I still disagree.

Chris Kramer - 2x DPOY for the Big Ten ('08, '10), and I think he made all-defensive team each year. Top of the list on Purdue's all-time steals list with Brian Cardinal second. Each of his four seasons ranked in the top ten of single-season steals list. Perhaps some of this is hindsight being 20/20, yes. But, I don't think CMP's recruiting has changed in a way that would cause him not to recruit someone of Chris Kramer's skill level.....you still need to build a roster/team and have balance. Football/Basketball tough, physical athlete - I think CMP would see where he could fit into the puzzle with the right blend of teammates. Plus, let's not forget - his last three years, he didn't need to produce much on offense.

He was not accurate from deep but became efficient inside the arc his senior season - solid enough from the line where you could rely on his defense down the stretch with a lead if need be.

I also think he had more he could have done if need be......but I'll agree - you couldn't build a highly successful offense to be dependent upon the games of Ray Davis or Chris Kramer.....I'd still take both of those guys ten out of ten times.

Disclaimer - hard sometimes to remove the Black & Old Gold glasses.

 

[PurduePete98]

That's a big caveat Lenny didn't mention, and I still disagree.

Chris Kramer - 2x DPOY for the Big Ten ('08, '10), and I think he made all-defensive team each year. Top of the list on Purdue's all-time steals list with Brian Cardinal second. Each of his four seasons ranked in the top ten of single-season steals list. Perhaps some of this is hindsight being 20/20, yes. But, I don't think CMP's recruiting has changed in a way that would cause him not to recruit someone of Chris Kramer's skill level.....you still need to build a roster/team and have balance. Football/Basketball tough, physical athlete - I think CMP would see where he could fit into the puzzle with the right blend of teammates. Plus, let's not forget - his last three years, he didn't need to produce much on offense.

He was not accurate from deep but became efficient inside the arc his senior season - solid enough from the line where you could rely on his defense down the stretch with a lead if need be.

I also think he had more he could have done if need be......but I'll agree - you couldn't build a highly successful offense to be dependent upon the games of Ray Davis or Chris Kramer.....I'd still take both of those guys ten out of ten times.

Disclaimer - hard sometimes to remove the Black & Old Gold glasses.

I would agree that if you knew you were getting someone with those accolades, you take them. I disagree that we should be taking unranked 3* players given where our program is and what we've accomplished under Painter.