Except Lenny is saying he's not worthy even knowing his accomplishments. That's just crazy!
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I know my memory is not as good as it should be, and I was under the impression that Kremer was not much an offensive threat. I was wrong. He could and did score when teams didn’t guard him, scoring some 18 points in one game. He could also pick the opponents PG apart, stealing the ball. He was also pretty good with assists. So, Maybe Chris Kremer would be a good example to compare Morton to?
As far as scoring goes, I would say that's a solid comparison. Morton is the better passer, and Kramer is obviously the better defender.
Look, I realize we all loved Kramer because he was the scrappy kid with limited basketball skill (although he was a pretty good athlete) and he liked to mix it up.
But the fact is, he was an unranked 3 star guard with very little offensive skill.
When iu hands out a scholie to a 3 star unranked player, we all point and laugh.
Hmmm, the dude gas been getting paid for 9 years to play ball. Heck of a career for a guy with limited basketball skills.
And I'm happy for him. Look, I've hung out with the dude, had beers with him. I'm not saying he sucks, but I doubt he'd be heavily recruited by Painter today.
Didn't we just have a kid transfer a few years ago, Gelon or something, who was supposedly like a Kramer clone but everyone said he wasn't a good enough scorer to play in P5?
I actually wanted to see Kramer play football. Probably could have been a really good LB or a big safety. But, if he's still getting paid to play hoops 9 years later, he probably made the right move.
I agree he wouldn't be a priority recruit, but to downplay his accomplishments on the court (both college and pro) isn't cool. I'd take another CK in a heartbeat.
But again, how many rosters have 13 four star nationally ranked players? There's a lot of "garbage time" players on college basketball rosters that get scholarships. These days it's hard enough to keep the starting 5 happy, let alone beyond that.
Would Kramer be the type of player that is the first to get a scholarship offer in his class? No. Would he be a priority recruit? No. Would you take a class full of recruits like Kramer? No.
And no one is saying any of that that.
But a recruit like him sure as hell wouldn't be a waste of 1 out of 13 scholarships.
You have got to get IU off your brain. Gelon went to IU. The kid you are thinking of is Weatherford.
You don't give out 13 scholarships all at the same time, every year. So, a player is not 1 out of 13, they're more like 1 out of 3 or 4 (depending on the size of your recruiting class). Therefore, you have to be much more judicious in who you offer scholies to .
I realize that not every player is a 5 star, but, with attrition, injuries, etc, you have to have a bench without much drop off in talent.
Again, just not sure where a player like Kramer (a defensive specialist with limited offensive skills and lacking a reliable jump shot or outside threat) fits into today's Purdue teams.
I'm curious, how many points per game does a player need to average before he is deemed worthy of a scholarship?
He's doing just fine. Lives out NW of Ft Wayne in over a 550-600k home, made more money then most on here in a shorter period of time. Good for him!
Yes, you don't give out all 13 in one class. But it's not remotely normal for teams have 10, 11 or 12 four star/top 150 players on their teams. We have 8 four star and/or top 150 players (and that was with 1 late transfer...and not counting players like Sasha/Wheeler). Next year will be 9. This is probably the highest number of players in that category we've had under Painter and certainly most of our peers aren't exceeding this.
You're the know it all, you tell me! (Actually don't bother cause I'm not going to get into your ever changing arguments).
Additionally, there are only 6 players on the team that match your description using Rivals and only 4 using 247.
No kidding.....Have you been following along? Kramer played 15 years ago, one of Painters early recruiting classes.
The point is, with his skill set and Painters teams wanting to score at a higher rate, it's doubtful a very good defender with limited offensive skill is getting a scholie from Painter NOW.
ha ha. It's a great response when you get trapped into spouting the wrong information.
That is the single most ironic and hypocritical thing you have ever posted and probably has ever been posted on this forum.
You never answered the question of how big of an offensive threat does one need to be before being worthy of a scholarship. Do all 5 starters have to average double digits? Is 6 or 7 ppg good enough? What if our PG hands out 6 assists per game, but only scores 6 ppg.... is that good enough? I know CK never had that high number of assists, but in my opinion his defense was good enough to offset that shortfall.
Wait - are you critiquing Clappy’s recruiting pitch of promising all 13 guys that the offense will run thru them???
Your guards have to be willing and able to shoot/hit open threes. If they're not doing that, they have to be able to penetrate/dish/finish.
Kramer did none of those well.
He was an excellent defender.
As we saw with Eastern, being a great defender isn't enough. The opponent at least has to respect you on the offensive end.
Okay.We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'd still take another KC, even with his offensive "limitations" (your words, not mine).
Somebody has to be the 5th option. Kramer usually being the worst offensive option on that team was a testament to the quality of the starters of those teams more then his lack of ability. If Morton ends up being the 5th best offensive starter I think we are going to be extremely happy with his teams and his contributions.
One things for certain, I’d bet a year’s salary Morton is already twice the offensive threat Nojel will ever be.
you quoted 5 stats. Let’s do a charity bet. I say he exceeds at least three of your estimates. 100 to winners charity of choice?
FYI I’ve literally never seen him play just sounds like
It won't be hard at all to find me when he fails to meet everyone's ludicrously high expectations for him.
I don't know if my expectations are too high or not. I expect him to do whatever it takes....whether that is scoring, dishing, rebounding, orchestrating, etc. He has the body to do just about any of those, and I guarantee he has the mentality to handle it. CMP has been waiting for this kid for a while now. And that's good enough for me. Could he fail to meet those expectations.....sure.......but I've seen enough to know that he won't be a bust or anything like that. Kid had a lot of schools after him. Boiler Up!!!!
