A respected professor at Purdue is looking to get out of Indiana after the followers of Jesus Christ passed a bill making it legal to refuse service to gay folk.
Now, I want to leave.
Now, I want to leave.
Anti-gay bill may cost Purdue talent.
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I take it she'll also be leaving the country since Clinton and the rest of the dems signed off on the same law in 1993.
I haven't seen so much phony outrage since "Hands up, don't shoot."
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I haven't seen so much phony outrage since "Hands up, don't shoot."
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Can we please find another way of talking about the supporters of this bill? Not all the followers of Jesus Christ support this nonsense. In fact, my experience has been that there is a significant minority that oppose it. (Myself very much included).
How many false premises can you cram into one editorial?
As with the Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby, the state of Indiana is giving businesses the same rights as people.
The horror! Do you forfeit your rights when you work at a business?
The Constitution also establishes the separation of church and state.....
No, it doesn't.
.....so that the laws we live by our never guided by religious zeal.
Our laws can be guided anything we want as long as they don't violate our rights or the constitution. BTW, does political correctness count as a religion? Environmentalism? Socialism? Of course not. Those kinds of "zeal" can guide our laws all the time.
There are pesky people all across the country simply wanting the freedom to live their lives.
No, they want the "freedom" to have the government force others to do what they don't want to do.
There are, for example, LGBT people who want to spend their money in Indiana, and some Indiana business owners don't want that dirty queer money.
Along with false premises you could add juvenile whining.
This bill will also allow businesses to deny women certain forms of contraception if the owners disapprove.
Back to the false premises.
As always, "religious freedom," targets very specific groups of people-the groups those in power want to control.....
Projection at its finest.
......or eradicate.
How did she find out???
The fiercest part of me knows I should stay and fight, but you cannot fight idiocy. You cannot fight a willful lack of common sense, a blatant disregard for decency, and a state government willing to codify discrimination under the guise of religious freedom. You cannot reason with people who don't recognize the humanity in all of us.
Its like she was raised in an Afterschool Special.
Now, I want to leave.
Good riddance.
This post was edited on 3/28 10:35 AM by GMM
As with the Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby, the state of Indiana is giving businesses the same rights as people.
The horror! Do you forfeit your rights when you work at a business?
The Constitution also establishes the separation of church and state.....
No, it doesn't.
.....so that the laws we live by our never guided by religious zeal.
Our laws can be guided anything we want as long as they don't violate our rights or the constitution. BTW, does political correctness count as a religion? Environmentalism? Socialism? Of course not. Those kinds of "zeal" can guide our laws all the time.
There are pesky people all across the country simply wanting the freedom to live their lives.
No, they want the "freedom" to have the government force others to do what they don't want to do.
There are, for example, LGBT people who want to spend their money in Indiana, and some Indiana business owners don't want that dirty queer money.
Along with false premises you could add juvenile whining.
This bill will also allow businesses to deny women certain forms of contraception if the owners disapprove.
Back to the false premises.
As always, "religious freedom," targets very specific groups of people-the groups those in power want to control.....
Projection at its finest.
......or eradicate.
How did she find out???
The fiercest part of me knows I should stay and fight, but you cannot fight idiocy. You cannot fight a willful lack of common sense, a blatant disregard for decency, and a state government willing to codify discrimination under the guise of religious freedom. You cannot reason with people who don't recognize the humanity in all of us.
Its like she was raised in an Afterschool Special.
Now, I want to leave.
Good riddance.
This post was edited on 3/28 10:35 AM by GMM
Perhaps you could explain what you think the bill does, and why the outrage over the bill is "phony".
She isn't the only one.
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Beyond the discrimination aspects, the main question I have with this bill centers around why it was needed. What issue was this bill attempting to address, and how would it improve whatever that issue was?
Though the damage is to be determined, the party that is generally pro-business has passed a bill that has undoubtedly hurt the state's image, and the state's economy. I pose this question to supporters of the bill - Do you think the benefit of this bill will outweigh the damage, and would you still support it in hindsight?
I hope that everyone upset by this bill remembers that it was passed by a right-wing super majority, and remedies the situation at the ballot-box.
Where would she go?
I'd love to see a list of all the countries that these folks consider acceptable. Especially the entertainers. I'm sure they're acutely aware of all the laws in all the countries that pertain to gays. And, since these folks have unsurpassed virtue, they'll willingly forgo the millions of dollars they could make in these other countries.
How does China treat homosexuals? Do they live up to the standards of the left? If not, should Purdue stop admitting Chinese students?
I'd love to see a list of all the countries that these folks consider acceptable. Especially the entertainers. I'm sure they're acutely aware of all the laws in all the countries that pertain to gays. And, since these folks have unsurpassed virtue, they'll willingly forgo the millions of dollars they could make in these other countries.
How does China treat homosexuals? Do they live up to the standards of the left? If not, should Purdue stop admitting Chinese students?
The bill does not allow someone to simply refuse service to a gay person for starters. The bill is meant to address certain situations. A restaurant can't refuse a gay couple to enter and eat; however, a florist would have legal protection in court to defend themselves if they want to refuse their service for a gay wedding.
The way the liberal media is portraying this is that now all of the sudden anyone and everyone can refuse to serve a gay couple just because they can. Not how it works.
so apparently
at least one business owner has been doing this for a long time, and is glad this bill came around so he can finally be open about it.
No more hiding
at least one business owner has been doing this for a long time, and is glad this bill came around so he can finally be open about it.
No more hiding
Seriously, lumping all followers of Christ into people who support this bill is just as inflammatory.
Where is the distinction made between a florist participating in a wedding and a restaurateur refusing service? Both could be made on religious grounds, could they not?
What if a florist cited religious reasons to refuse service to a wedding between a black man and white woman? Would that be protected as well?
I would wager all of those who passed this bill identify as followers of Jesus Christ, and I didn't interpret the above statement as a generalization of all Christians.
A snipe at the hypocrisy of many conservative "Christ followers"? Absolutely.
Please tell us, you are anyone who supports it, exactly what the bill accomplishes and why it was needed. You appear to be in favor of it so it should be very easy to tell why it is a valuable piece of legislation.
All supports seem to be repeating is that other states have it and all those upset that it allows discrimination are wrong, well what does it do?
All supports seem to be repeating is that other states have it and all those upset that it allows discrimination are wrong, well what does it do?
yeah. No.
And, a bill that's modeled after a federal bill passed TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO.
In other words, Christians should be FORCED to accept things with which they disagree (whether it's a gay lifestyle or not).
Same for Muslims.
And Jews.
D@mn you, you religious people, for objecting to things the leftists endorse...
Why can't you heathens just live like the radical liberals of the sixties and seventies who were conscientious objectors...
Indiana joining 19 other states is the end of life as we know it.
And, a bill that's modeled after a federal bill passed TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO.
In other words, Christians should be FORCED to accept things with which they disagree (whether it's a gay lifestyle or not).
Same for Muslims.
And Jews.
D@mn you, you religious people, for objecting to things the leftists endorse...
Why can't you heathens just live like the radical liberals of the sixties and seventies who were conscientious objectors...
It cracks me up, the "conservatives," I can't include most of these chuckle heads in the same category as real conservatives, constantly go on and on about liberal group think, yet invariably with issues like this one you see that same group parrot word for word the same thing. With this one it's "19 States, the Federal version, Clinton."
Not one answer regarding how this law works and how it now protects religious businesses in a way they were not protected before.
Not one answer regarding how this law works and how it now protects religious businesses in a way they were not protected before.
so how do you liberals advance your cause, seeing how this is the same bill (although, at the state level) sponsored by one of the most liberal senators (Schumer), signed by another liberal (Clinton), and heavily supported by virtually every member of congress?
A: You can't. That's why you attack the boogeyman "conservatives".
Again, Why was the law needed? What does the law do to restore religious freedom?? Why was it needed? What protection do Christian businesses have now that they were missing before before?
Got any answers to prove you really are a thinking conservative, and not just one of the hangers on who get into the anger of AM radio and Fox.
Got any answers to prove you really are a thinking conservative, and not just one of the hangers on who get into the anger of AM radio and Fox.
this has been coming for the last 25 years, and has been a result of radical leftists assault on Christian owned businesses.
What was once a position of "tolerance" has now transformed into "acceptance" ... which is light years away from the simple (and understandable, yet misguided) position of "tolerance".
The legal history is beyond a simple "sound byte" response on an internet forum (which many people understand, and use to their benefit). Suffice it to say, there has been significant legal action which moves this from legislation to litigation (and back).
The reality is, the radical leftists expect Christians to just "sit back and take it". When they don't, they "harrumpf" with their arms crossed, and call them all kinds of names, express outrage and indignation, but do no such thing when the tables are turned.
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Again, Why was the law needed? What does the law do to restore
religious freedom?? Why was it needed? What protection do Christian
businesses have now that they were missing before before?
Again, Why was the law needed? What does the law do to restore
religious freedom?? Why was it needed? What protection do Christian
businesses have now that they were missing before before?
Which part of "(t)he legal history is beyond a simple 'sound byte' response on an internet forum" do you not get?
For G-d's sake, do some research on your own. And do it away from the websites that simply endorse your position.
The Washington Post (of all sites, no less) has given some pretty good background on the topic (of course, it was before those rednecks in Indiana made the news).
There's been a helluva lot of changes which led to 20 states responding to changes to the legal environment.
Pence said on the Garrison show there was no reason for the bill. Well, the reason is that Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) were curbstomped by Posner in the 7th circuit about gay marriage. So, since they can't ban gay marriage, this is the next best thing.
Pence: No Real Justification for New Anti-Gay Law
Pence: No Real Justification for New Anti-Gay Law
Re: yeah. No.
Of course, you do. That's not a good thing, by the way. (I have no illusion you'll understand.)
Good, because I see no reason to.
Of course, you do. That's not a good thing, by the way. (I have no illusion you'll understand.)
Copy and paste, again.
Again, Why was the law needed? What does the law do to restore
religious freedom?? Why was it needed? What protection do Christian
businesses have now that they were missing before before?
Answer the question, I don't care what the internet says, or Jeff Bezos' WaPo, site one Indiana court case where a person was forced to violate their religious convictions and then show how this bill remedies that by restoring their religious freedom and how exactly are they now protected form ever again enduring the atrocities of the last 25 years?
If it's everywhere and something you have followed for 25 years this shouldn't be that hard.
Again, Why was the law needed? What does the law do to restore
religious freedom?? Why was it needed? What protection do Christian
businesses have now that they were missing before before?
Answer the question, I don't care what the internet says, or Jeff Bezos' WaPo, site one Indiana court case where a person was forced to violate their religious convictions and then show how this bill remedies that by restoring their religious freedom and how exactly are they now protected form ever again enduring the atrocities of the last 25 years?
If it's everywhere and something you have followed for 25 years this shouldn't be that hard.
The bill was conceived, authored, and voted on by followers of Jesus Christ. Some have cited him as inspiration for needing such legislation.
Here is a picture of the private, invitation only, bill signing. This legislation is tied to Christianity, there is no way to get around that.
Here is a picture of the private, invitation only, bill signing. This legislation is tied to Christianity, there is no way to get around that.
You're either lying or you have an agenda.
I don't listen to Garrison, but I did go back and listen to the segment you referenced. Apparently you chose to take the owrd of the propaganda you linked, instead of doing your own homework.
He didn't say "there was no reason for the bill".
He DID say there were reasons. It was in response to the Supreme Court, who held that protections did not apply to states who do not have their own statutes. (Correct or not, I'll leave it to the idiot lawyers who have nothing to do but argue with themselves.) He also pointed out it is the law in IL... and Obama voted for it. Said it gives the courts the same guidance and standard in IN as other states. Also quoted the ACLU's support of the 1993 federal statute. He did say he's not aware of cases in controversy. But, is that the standard? We must have controversy before action at the state level?
Regardless... I'm assuming you're not a liar. If not, your post exposes your agenda.
copy and paste again, without any thought or investigation.
Again, this requires you engage your brain.
If you don't care what other sources say, why should anyone care what you ask? You're clearly not interested in anything but a soundbyte. 20 states, plus others... and many articles.
It shouldn't be that hard for you to become educated... unless you don't like the answers.
There are none so ignorant....
As usual you offer nothing but regurgitation of "conservative" airwaves chatter. I wonder if you even understand the meaning of what you say.
