2023 Recruiting

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

I went to familiarize myself with him. Has solid list of offers.... Illinois, Iowa State, LSU, Oklahoma, Florida, Nebraska.... Already visited Illinois, but stated he wants to visit Purdue, Iowa State, and LSU. One to keep an eye on!

Side note...... In early December he had a quadruple-double. 16 pts, 10 reb, 11 ast, 11 stl.

The sighting of a quadruple double is rare indeed.

In the NBA - only four players

Nate Thurmond (22/14/13/12 blocks)

Alvin Robertson (20/11/10/10 steals)

Hakeem Olajuwon (twice) (29/18/10/11 blocks and 18/16/10/11 blocks)

David Robinson (34/10/10/10 blocks)

 

[Mandeville LA]

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The mask thing kills me.

 

[IndySouthsider]

TJD was also a five star.

Not arguing that some blue bloods have haven’t achieved that status by cheating. Kansas and Kentucky foremost in that argument.

What service had Trace a five star?

Trayce Jackson-Davis - Basketball Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN

Learn about Trayce Jackson-Davis and other recruit player profiles on RecruitingNation.com.

www.espn.com

 

[New Pal Boiler]

What service had Trace a five star?

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Trayce Jackson-Davis - Basketball Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN

Learn about Trayce Jackson-Davis and other recruit player profiles on RecruitingNation.com.

www.espn.com

He was a 247 five star at the time he committed to IU: https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Trayce-Jackson-Davis-at-Center-Grove-203393/RecruitRankHistory/

 

[DAG10]

The sighting of a quadruple double is rare indeed.

In the NBA - only four players

Nate Thurmond (22/14/13/12 blocks)

Alvin Robertson (20/11/10/10 steals)

Hakeem Olajuwon (twice) (29/18/10/11 blocks and 18/16/10/11 blocks)

David Robinson (34/10/10/10 blocks)

Smith was just shy of one I thought recently at Westfield.

Tough to do...at any level, crazy tough at that level though...Alvin Robertson sticks out on that list, but, he was a very solid player who had a long and successful NBA career.

 

[collegehoopsfan123]

The 2023 class so far is like having 2 Jaden Ivey-like offensive weapons in the same class. We will see what the future brings with the 2 of them, but on paper sure looks really, really bright!

 

[BoilerDaddy]

The 2023 class so far is like having 2 Jaden Ivey-like offensive weapons in the same class. We will see what the future brings with the 2 of them, but on paper sure looks really, really bright!

That’s a huge expectation to put on these two. It is possible, but I prefer to let them be their own players.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Agree, I don't know him. I definitely, think he's passionate about Purdue sports, wants badly a FF or NC(as many of us). Many, I don't agree on. He's not a fan of CMP, seems to trash every loss as "we're done" or "disappointing season".

Sometimes as fans we need to let the season play out...

What you don't understand about Lenny is that Purdue's success is all about him. It would give him a reason to wear his Boiler gear around his associates and beat his chest and tell great stories of his Boiler days. Damn CMP and the players for not giving him what he so richly deserves.

 

[bonefish1]

And you still refuse to define what you mean when you use the term "consistent success". How is that measured?

How would you define "consistent success"? What numbers would you use?

Beating a team seeded more that 1 spot higher. A FF appearance after 15 trips to the NCAA.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Beating a team seeded more that 1 spot higher.

This is the dumbest metric I’ve ever heard of. Guess we don’t want a 1 or 2 seed.

 

[purduepat1969]

Beating a team seeded more that 1 spot higher. A FF appearance after 15 trips to the NCAA.

So if we're a 1 or 2 seed, how do we do that?? LMAO, water seeking it's own level in bonefish's mind...

 

[New Pal Boiler]

So if we're a 1 or 2 seed, how do we do that?? LMAO, water seeking it's own level in bonefish's mind...

Man and I’ve been sitting here rooting for us to win these games!

We obviously need to go on a losing streak so we can secure a 10 seed !!! What a dunce I am !!

 

[bonefish1]

So if we're a 1 or 2 seed, how do we do that?? LMAO, water seeking it's own level in bonefish's mind...

Out of Painter's 15 tourney trips with PU, how many 1 or 2 seeds has he had?
Unless you're a 1 or 2, you're going to face higher seeds starting with the S16. The fact that out of 5 tries, Painter has only gotten past the S16 means he rarely (almost never) beats a higher seeded team.
The stat that he's averaged 1 tourney win over 10 years is not meaningful because it means he's beating the teams he's favored to beat.
What was the last tourney game Painter won as an underdog? TN, maybe... but that was a 2/3 game.

 

[Purdue85]

Beating a team seeded more that 1 spot higher. A FF appearance after 15 trips to the NCAA.

You're making this up after you made a statement and got called on it. I will give you credit, at least you're now trying.

15 is an arbitrary number, but, again, you're trying to support your position.

For your criteria to hold, it begs additional questions:

• How many coaches have made 15 trips to the NCAA tournament?
• Of those, how many have made a trip to the FF?
• Of those with 15 appearances, where does Painter rank in tournament record?

If you're now going to use the "15 trips" as your criteria, you're going to need to find a way to place/rank Painter within that group.

Otherwise, it's still a random, subjective and arbitrary statement, which you're now trying to find a way to prove.

 

[TC4THREE]

Out of Painter's 15 tourney trips with PU, how many 1 or 2 seeds has he had?
Unless you're a 1 or 2, you're going to face higher seeds starting with the S16. The fact that out of 5 tries, Painter has only gotten past the S16 means he rarely (almost never) beats a higher seeded team.
The stat that he's averaged 1 tourney win over 10 years is not meaningful because it means he's beating the teams he's favored to beat.
What was the last tourney game Painter won as an underdog? TN, maybe... but that was a 2/3 game.

You sound like an idiot.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Out of Painter's 15 tourney trips with PU, how many 1 or 2 seeds has he had?
Unless you're a 1 or 2, you're going to face higher seeds starting with the S16. The fact that out of 5 tries, Painter has only gotten past the S16 means he rarely (almost never) beats a higher seeded team.
The stat that he's averaged 1 tourney win over 10 years is not meaningful because it means he's beating the teams he's favored to beat.
What was the last tourney game Painter won as an underdog? TN, maybe... but that was a 2/3 game.

Where's 15 coming from? Painter's teams have been to 13 NCAA tournaments, and one of those was with MVC Champ, Southern Illinois.....so, it's 12 trips with Purdue...."smiley" years are where Purdue defeated a higher seeded team.

2021 (4-seed, South)

2019 (3-seed, South)

2018 (2-seed, East)

2017 (4-seed, Midwest)

2016 (5-seed, Midwest)

2015 (9-seed, Midwest)

2012 (10-seed, Midwest)

2011 (3-seed, Southwest)

2010 (4-seed, South)

2009 (5-seed, West)

2008 (6-seed, West)

2007 (9-seed, Midwest)

Carry on......

 

[KingofJersey]

You're making this up after you made a statement and got called on it. I will give you credit, at least you're now trying.

15 is an arbitrary number, but, again, you're trying to support your position.

For your criteria to hold, it begs additional questions:

• How many coaches have made 15 trips to the NCAA tournament?
• Of those, how many have made a trip to the FF?
• Of those with 15 appearances, where does Painter rank in tournament record?

If you're now going to use the "15 trips" as your criteria, you're going to need to find a way to place/rank Painter within that group.

Otherwise, it's still a random, subjective and arbitrary statement, which you're now trying to find a way to prove.

How many tourney trips will this 2023 recruiting class make?

 

[bonefish1]

You're making this up after you made a statement and got called on it. I will give you credit, at least you're now trying.

15 is an arbitrary number, but, again, you're trying to support your position.

For your criteria to hold, it begs additional questions:

• How many coaches have made 15 trips to the NCAA tournament?
• Of those, how many have made a trip to the FF?
• Of those with 15 appearances, where does Painter rank in tournament record?

If you're now going to use the "15 trips" as your criteria, you're going to need to find a way to place/rank Painter within that group.

Otherwise, it's still a random, subjective and arbitrary statement, which you're now trying to find a way to prove.

15 trips isn't my criteria, that's how many times Painter's been there with Purdue.......

As for your other bullet pointed questions: I don't know. Why don't you look it up if that's the data you're using to support your argument.

Again, for the 251st time, getting to the tournament is an indicator of someone being a successful regular season coach, which Painter undoubtedly is. Making deep tourney runs is an indicator of a good tourney coach, which Painter has not proven to be. Yet. Maybe he wins a NC this year and we can put that argument to rest.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Where's 15 coming from? Painter's teams have been to 13 NCAA tournaments, and one of those was with MVC Champ, Southern Illinois.....so, it's 12 trips with Purdue...."smiley" years are where Purdue defeated a higher seeded team.

2021 (4-seed, South)

2019 (3-seed, South)

2018 (2-seed, East)

2017 (4-seed, Midwest)

2016 (5-seed, Midwest)

2015 (9-seed, Midwest)

2012 (10-seed, Midwest)

2011 (3-seed, Southwest)

2010 (4-seed, South)

2009 (5-seed, West)

2008 (6-seed, West)

2007 (9-seed, Midwest)

Carry on......

I had brought up 15 wins, out of 15 possible tournaments.

 

[bonefish1]

Where's 15 coming from? Painter's teams have been to 13 NCAA tournaments, and one of those was with MVC Champ, Southern Illinois.....so, it's 12 trips with Purdue...."smiley" years are where Purdue defeated a higher seeded team.

2021 (4-seed, South)

2019 (3-seed, South)

2018 (2-seed, East)

2017 (4-seed, Midwest)

2016 (5-seed, Midwest)

2015 (9-seed, Midwest)

2012 (10-seed, Midwest)

2011 (3-seed, Southwest)

2010 (4-seed, South)

2009 (5-seed, West)

2008 (6-seed, West)

2007 (9-seed, Midwest)

Carry on......

Which one of your smiley faces teams represents a team more than 1 seed higher (which is what I've been saying all along. A 1 seed difference is basically a toss up game. A 9 beating an 8 or a 2 beating a 1 aren't shocking upsets.

 

[bonefish1]

I had brought up 15 wins, out of 15 possible tournaments.

Would a better measure be 15 wins out of 60, since you need 4 wins to reach at FF?

 

[TC4THREE]

15 trips isn't my criteria, that's how many times Painter's been there with Purdue.......

Like I said before, you sound like an idiot.

 

[bonefish1]

Like I said before, you sound like an idiot.

ouch

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Which one of your smiley faces teams represents a team more than 1 seed higher (which is what I've been saying all along. A 1 seed difference is basically a toss up game. A 9 beating an 8 or a 2 beating a 1 aren't shocking upsets.

2012, Lenny. You stated "higher seeded team" in one of your posts.....agree, I wouldn't call those shocking upsets.

I know I'm going to regret this...... (a phrase I've uttered/written too many times to track)......and likely tick-off most. To me, CMP is an above-average tourney coach, right now, but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement......so, really, the jury is still out. Let the next few years play out......then come back and see where things are. This season will be difficult because many will judge it solely on if Purdue makes the Final Four, but so be it......

When it's all said and done, he will have had much more success, but I'm generally an optimist.

Lenny makes some points worth considering, but I would also say he could factor in other metrics as well. By the way, I'm not even factoring in Rob Hummel's multiple injuries or Isaac Haas' injury in Round 1 of 2018.

JMHO

 

[Level 42]

2012, Lenny. You stated "higher seeded team" in one of your posts.....agree, I wouldn't call those shocking upsets.

I know I'm going to regret this...... (a phrase I've uttered/written too many times to track)......and likely tick-off most. To me, CMP is an above-average tourney coach, right now, but there is definitely a lot of room for improvement......so, really, the jury is still out. Let the next few years play out......then come back and see where things are. This season will be difficult because many will judge it solely on if Purdue makes the Final Four, but so be it......

When it's all said and done, he will have had much more success, but I'm generally an optimist.

Lenny makes some points worth considering, but I would also say he could factor in other metrics as well. By the way, I'm not even factoring in Rob Hummel's multiple injuries or Isaac Haas' injury in Round 1 of 2018.

JMHO

Your entire post I agree with and is how you do it. I don't think anyone has said CMP doesn't need to improve, just that he is better than some give him credit for. And all of which you pointed out in your post.

 

[Boileratthebeach]

15 trips isn't my criteria, that's how many times Painter's been there with Purdue.......

As for your other bullet pointed questions: I don't know. Why don't you look it up if that's the data you're using to support your argument.

Again, for the 251st time, getting to the tournament is an indicator of someone being a successful regular season coach, which Painter undoubtedly is. Making deep tourney runs is an indicator of a good tourney coach, which Painter has not proven to be. Yet. Maybe he wins a NC this year and we can put that argument to rest.

Then who in your mind consistently goes deep in the tourney this making them a good tourney coach?

 

[bonefish1]

Then who in your mind consistently goes deep in the tourney this making them a good tourney coach?

Izzo

 

[C'ville Boiler]

Izzo

He has but also has some flameouts as a high seed.

 

[Purdue85]

15 trips isn't my criteria, that's how many times Painter's been there with Purdue.......

As for your other bullet pointed questions: I don't know. Why don't you look it up if that's the data you're using to support your argument.

Again, for the 251st time, getting to the tournament is an indicator of someone being a successful regular season coach, which Painter undoubtedly is. Making deep tourney runs is an indicator of a good tourney coach, which Painter has not proven to be. Yet. Maybe he wins a NC this year and we can put that argument to rest.

lol

it's not my argument. It's your argument. There's no basis for it, and you can't support it.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Which one of your smiley faces teams represents a team more than 1 seed higher (which is what I've been saying all along. A 1 seed difference is basically a toss up game. A 9 beating an 8 or a 2 beating a 1 aren't shocking upsets.

How do “shocking upsets” = “consistent success” ???

 

[Purdue85]

How many tourney trips will this 2023 recruiting class make?

Since Painter hasn't missed a tournament since '14, and, since his recruiting classes keep getting better and better, I'd say the odds are high they will go every year they're together and healthy.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

lol

it's not my argument. It's your argument. There's no basis for it, and you can't support it.

CMP just needs to deliver “shocking upsets”, “consistently”, to be a “successful” “tourney coach”… duh….

 

[Purdue85]

How do “shocking upsets” = “consistent success” ???

"shocking upsets"
"consistent success"
"good tournament coach"

 

[bonefish1]

When you've been to as many FF as Izzo has, you get some grace on early flame outs.

How do “shocking upsets” = “consistent success” ???

Do you consider a 9 beating an 8 an upset? How about a 2 beating a 1? Technically, they beat a higher seed, but those games are essentially even toss ups.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

When you've been to as many FF as Izzo has, you get some grace on early flame outs.

Do you consider a 9 beating an 8 an upset? How about a 2 beating a 1? Technically, they beat a higher seed, but those games are essentially even toss ups.

How do “shocking upsets” = “consistent success” ???

 

[BBG]

"shocking upsets"
"consistent success"
"good tournament coach"

Hes moves his goal posts so much he's lost track of his own argument I think.

 

[Hausta01]

How do “shocking upsets” = “consistent success” ???

Shocking upsets do follow his Shaka Smart love, at least. The ONLY success he has had was a string of "shocking upsets" in the same tourney. At Texas he didn't win a single NCAAT game while consistently having more talent than 95% of teams.